Personally, I fully agree with this ^. IMO, I think that list should be put up, like now. As of Sunday, it will have been a year since the update, which is way overdue. I honestly don't know what's left to debate...
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Genbull Genbull F230GCF should definately go up. Has a great tourney record and from my informal tests does great all around.
Oh yeah, it should, forgot about that. It can probably just go up there with Duo/Death F230 CF/GCF.
I agree with this list 100%.
This one should be the one to go up now, Kei should check to see if he likes it too!
This one should be the one to go up now, Kei should check to see if he likes it too!
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Oh, I just realized, why isn't Balro/Phoenic Balro TR145MF up there?
It hasn't been tested out much, but in my opinion Balro W145WSF outclasses it. I can provide tests for it though.
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(Oct. 04, 2013 4:32 AM)ShinobuXD Wrote: dragooon BActually it "BEYBLADE REVOLUTION: The Insurgents" still BR but in BB-10 format.- BR was Zero-G... this is for BB-10.
EDIT: As for B
Dark Mousy you know it buddy you seen me win with it.
(Oct. 08, 2013 5:45 AM)Stars Wrote:(Oct. 04, 2013 4:32 AM)ShinobuXD Wrote: dragooon BActually it "BEYBLADE REVOLUTION: The Insurgents" still BR but in BB-10 format.
EDIT: As for B
Dark Mousy you know it buddy you seen me win with it.
I did see ypu win with it. But bottom line, sa165 ewd and f230 cf . Bd is way to light IMO.
Okay we need to categorize everything in the balance section. As in anti attack or wahtever. Id do it but im on mobile right now.
Your right B:D is light but the snychrome weight makes it up...I did 2 quick testing.
Killerken Dragoon B:D Vs Duo Cancer SA165BWD
KD: 20 (15 OS 5 KO)
DC:0
Somewhat since all my B:D are slightly aggressive
Killerken Dragoon B:D Vs Duo Cancer B:D
KD:10 (10 OS)
DC:10 (10 OS)
Like every Duo and Dragoon match is at par.
Reconsider bringing it back up to the list?
Killerken Dragoon B:D Vs Duo Cancer SA165BWD
KD: 20 (15 OS 5 KO)
DC:0
Somewhat since all my B:D are slightly aggressive
Killerken Dragoon B:D Vs Duo Cancer B:D
KD:10 (10 OS)
DC:10 (10 OS)
Like every Duo and Dragoon match is at par.
Reconsider bringing it back up to the list?
The new list is up! In the advanced forum... FINALLY
Although I'd like to say right now that Duo + BWD = fail for me nearly every time, and Killerken Dragooon SA165BWD = triple fail
Genbull on Dragooon has also been awful for me...
Who else think Genbull Dragooon SA165BWD on the tier list is a reeeeeaaaally bad idea. :\
Aside from that, I totally love the list.
Nearly identical to what I was hoping for, actually.
Although I'd like to say right now that Duo + BWD = fail for me nearly every time, and Killerken Dragooon SA165BWD = triple fail
Genbull on Dragooon has also been awful for me...
Who else think Genbull Dragooon SA165BWD on the tier list is a reeeeeaaaally bad idea. :\
Aside from that, I totally love the list.
Nearly identical to what I was hoping for, actually.
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I love Genbull Dragooon. It helps me tie with Duo every time. Plus, it adds Defense so it would work on SA165RDF. But I totally agree with BWD, bleh.
Really? Well, I have heard it works for some people, but I just never got amazing results with it... I guess it's fine up there if it works as well as Revizer.
But yah, BWD needs to go down the drain. :\
But yah, BWD needs to go down the drain. :\
I've seen it in lots of tourneys. It MUST go on the list.
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Personally I was a fan of 230D and SA165EWD setup on Phantom. It would have worked well. And for a minute I thought they wouldn't add Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F on the list but after they did I was pretty happy!
@theblackdragon I am also not such a big fan of Genbull Dragooon I like Reviser on it better but if it works out for other people then it should be fine! Also I loved the BWD tests on W145! I thought both of them worked well together! Other than that I am a big fan of the list!
@theblackdragon I am also not such a big fan of Genbull Dragooon I like Reviser on it better but if it works out for other people then it should be fine! Also I loved the BWD tests on W145! I thought both of them worked well together! Other than that I am a big fan of the list!
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Phantom SA165EWD wouldn't be good enough, and Genbull Dragooon is ESSENTIAL for the list, it works as well as Revizer if not better.
I am just thinking of Wyvang Dragooon BD145R2F. It had put up results on par with Girago2 in testing. Just an opinion.
I meant Sa165 for Phantom as it counters a lot of W145 stamina combos.
It needs more tests.
Here are my views on BWD:
There's really no reason to put it on the list, for a few reasons:
1. BWD's primary function in Zero-G is to provide high precession without vulnerability to sway attack. It's very, very effective in this respect, but in a BB-10 stadium this quality will obviously not even factor in to the match, so the ability is totally useless.
2. In a Zero-G stadium, each Beyblade is kept in extremely close proximity to the other, and will remain upright as the result of constant contact with its opponent. This means that having slightly higher balance is mostly irrelevant, and the resistance to sway far more than makes up for the minor loss of stability in such a scenario. However, BWD's inferior balance is far more drastic a matter in a BB-10 stadium, and as such should be rendered a massive disadvantage without any actual benefit.
3. The thing has far less precession than EWD. It just doesn't have nearly as much.
I honestly think that a bottom with less precession and balance than most other options doesn't warrant an addition to the list. :\ To be honest, you would probably be much better off using a regular old WD than using BWD in a BB-10 stadium.
On the matter of Genbull Dragooon, I prefer Revizer over Genbull in most cases, but people obviously like it a lot and I've seen it used a couple times, so I think it's all good.
There's really no reason to put it on the list, for a few reasons:
1. BWD's primary function in Zero-G is to provide high precession without vulnerability to sway attack. It's very, very effective in this respect, but in a BB-10 stadium this quality will obviously not even factor in to the match, so the ability is totally useless.
2. In a Zero-G stadium, each Beyblade is kept in extremely close proximity to the other, and will remain upright as the result of constant contact with its opponent. This means that having slightly higher balance is mostly irrelevant, and the resistance to sway far more than makes up for the minor loss of stability in such a scenario. However, BWD's inferior balance is far more drastic a matter in a BB-10 stadium, and as such should be rendered a massive disadvantage without any actual benefit.
3. The thing has far less precession than EWD. It just doesn't have nearly as much.
I honestly think that a bottom with less precession and balance than most other options doesn't warrant an addition to the list. :\ To be honest, you would probably be much better off using a regular old WD than using BWD in a BB-10 stadium.
On the matter of Genbull Dragooon, I prefer Revizer over Genbull in most cases, but people obviously like it a lot and I've seen it used a couple times, so I think it's all good.
Hey Stars, check this out. B:D's always been a controversial topic here, but I've advocated it for a while.
Tests from a while ago
This is from back when people were just experimenting with Wyvang and Goreim seemed to work well because it is small. I only have 1 Wyvang, and I can't use Attack types worth a carp, but the results should still be proportional, right?
EDIT: fixed a syntax error.
Tests from a while ago
This is from back when people were just experimenting with Wyvang and Goreim seemed to work well because it is small. I only have 1 Wyvang, and I can't use Attack types worth a carp, but the results should still be proportional, right?
EDIT: fixed a syntax error.
@Stars & Wombta: B:D never gets the love it deserves.
B only has use in some customs, but I want it on Duo for the BB-10. Perfect height for Duo, and more Stamina, and possibly more defense against Attack Types.
only has use in some customs, but I want it on Duo for the BB-10. Perfect height for Duo, and more Stamina, and possibly more defense against Attack Types.
Assuming Hasbro B;D after wear it gets pretty aggressive. But Takara doesn't....