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MF Lightning L Drago BD145LRF

May. 03, 2011  11:23 PM
 
(May. 03, 2011  1:16 AM)Bluezee Wrote:
(May. 03, 2011  1:12 AM)Mr. N Wrote: I used R²F because my LRF is worn, so it doesn't have lots of speed anymore.

MF Lightning L-Drago BD145R²F VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 85RF
Standard Procedures
Lightning L-Drago Win Rate - 0%

Only BD145 was making contact, and it couldn't really deal lots of damage. RF keeps it in the stadium very well, and it lost all the time by a couple of rotations. It spin equilized near the end, but Basalt always won.

Yeah that R2F is messing it up. It needs the speed and better spin stealing with LRF. It definitely gives it an edge because I have NO problem beating the combo you just used. Uncertain
Yeah, R2F is most likely the reason for the above results.
In Left Spin L2F is much more aggressive then R2F in Left Spin.
May. 04, 2011  4:36 AM
 
I absolutely cannot believe that R²F and LRF would have such considerably different test results. What changed from a few months or even weeks ago when they would have a maximum of twenty percent as difference ?
May. 04, 2011  4:43 AM
 
(May. 04, 2011  4:36 AM)Kai-V Wrote: I absolutely cannot believe that R²F and LRF would have such considerably different test results. What changed from a few months or even weeks ago when they would have a maximum of twenty percent as difference ?

This is EXACTLY why things should be tested periodically. I think something was definitely overlooked at that time because R2F and LRF provide VERY different abilities and have different strengths that seem to be ignored. LRF seems to even be faster than R2F.
May. 04, 2011  4:48 AM
 
It was known that R²F was faster than RF yet had less stamina, so it generally did not have many more victories than a simple RF. It makes no sense that the same could not be said about the opposite side, with the left rotation. If you add both sides together, it should not make much of a difference.

If you use LRF on a right-spin Beyblade, is it really still faster than R²F ?
May. 04, 2011  4:49 AM
 
I doubt that LRF is faster the R2F, (When each is in it's respective spin). They are extremely similar as I think we all realize.
May. 04, 2011  4:53 AM
 
(May. 04, 2011  4:48 AM)Kai-V Wrote: It was known that R²F was faster than RF yet had less stamina, so it generally did not have many more victories than a simple RF. It makes no sense that the same could not be said about the opposite side, with the left rotation. If you add both sides together, it should not make much of a difference.

If you use LRF on a right-spin Beyblade, is it really still faster than R²F ?

It seems to be faster but its strange. LRF is faster on left spinning beyblades than right spinning ones. In fact, LRF on right spin beyblades would slow them down for more control but yet still would be faster if not the same speed as R2F. I could show you better than I could tell you. If you get time, test this if you can. The difference is fas from negligible.
May. 04, 2011  9:15 AM
 
On a Left spin Bey.

RF < R2F < LRF

On a Right spin Bey.

RF < LRF < R2F

^^In terms of Speed.

I think this really is Improving a Already Known LLDCH120/85 RF/R2F/LRF

It moves just like it and I love it Smile
May. 04, 2011  1:08 PM
 
On a left spin bey LRf is faster and in a right spin bey R2F is faster.
RF is slower than both of them in both directions.
May. 04, 2011  4:34 PM
 
(May. 04, 2011  9:15 AM)Chups Wrote: On a Left spin Bey.

RF > R2F > LRF

On a Right spin Bey.

RF > LRF > R2F

^^In terms of Speed.

I think this really is Improving a Already Known LLDCH120/85 RF/R2F/LRF

It moves just like it and I love it Smile

dude that is wrong
left:
RF<R2F<LRF
right spin
RF<LRF<R2F

less<more
more>less
not
less>more
more<less
(you got the signs mixed up)
May. 05, 2011  4:24 AM
 
I've said this before. People:
> is greater than, not a right arrow. --> is a right arrow, and visa versa for <. It causes way too much confusion. The point is, on a right-spin bey:
R2F is faster than LRF which is faster than RF.
And on a left-spin bey:
LRF is faster than R2F which is faster than RF.
May. 05, 2011  8:40 AM
 
Stupid Maths teacher.........He is such a Dope.

Sorry guys I will edit it now.
May. 05, 2011  11:38 AM
 
Consider it this way. Currently, the metagame and each beys performance is on a knife edge. If it's not quite right, it's going to lose most of the time, if it is, it'll win most of the time. That's why a lot of combos currently require a lot of tweaking and other specifications to beat the maximum number of opponents. Take (No MF) Gravity perseus (ATK) CH120XF (NORMAL mode). Unless it's in normal mode, it doesn't outspin basaltbd145 easily, but if you use a different wheel, you won't do as well against 230 combos. (I would do testing to show this, but I don't have time right now). It's all about getting the right balance.
This is why R2F and LRF is such a difference. You really need that little extra speed.

This is all due to the extreme levels of performance of current combos, BasaltBD145 is pretty much the epitome of this, in my opinion. It often holds on by JUST enough to stay in. I'm not sure if this is why I find mine much harder to beat than others seem to (I use a hasbro Aquario, and purchase a new CS regularly so I always have a good one for it). Anyway, you need that extra power to push it over the edge. If you have that power, you'll do well, but if you don't, it's gonna go to the edge, and no further.

This results in a metagame that requires me sitting down for hours at a time trying to get the balance right for new parts. It also means that differences in launching ability, part condition, and what not affect results much more heavily.

I hope that's simple enough. A quick summary would be that we have a metagame of extremes, where the smallest change can be the difference between winning and losing. We have hit such extremes that every tiny factor affects the outcome, especially in ability to outspin and KO opponents.

So, uh, yeah. That's what I think, anyway.
May. 05, 2011  12:54 PM
 
I'm certain that Momo clarified the discussion of speed between LRF and R2F. As for Basalt BD145, whats the big deal exactly? It isn't unbeatable at all.
May. 05, 2011  12:58 PM
 
It's extremely hard to beat with most older combos. Heck knows, I had trouble finding anything that could stop it, even stamina beys. That is, without being too overspecialised as to be useless elsewhere.
May. 05, 2011  1:25 PM
 
I don't ever have any trouble beating BasaltBD145 with LT. It is just a matter of getting the BD145 under Basalt's and use the speed of LRF in conjunction with Lightning to provide a relatively easy KO. If you miss, depending on the condition of LRF, you could outspin or even tie with any Basalt BD145. I have more trouble KOing Rock 85WD than Basalts.
May. 05, 2011  11:37 PM
 
[Huge quote removed.]

Maximum meteor and Lightning Tank are both very good, but because BD145 is good for pretty much everything and XF has great stamina doesn't this mean that there pretty much equal?
May. 06, 2011  12:07 AM
 
(May. 05, 2011  11:37 PM)The Ryuga Wrote: [Huge quote removed.]

Maximum meteor and Lightning Tank are both very good, but because BD145 is good for pretty much everything and XF has great stamina doesn't this mean that there pretty much equal?

I have no idea how you could say that MF Meteo L Drago CH120XF and MF Lightning L Drago BD145LRF are basically equal, especially for the 'reasons' you mentioned.
May. 06, 2011  3:42 PM
 
IMO, the Lightning Tank is unable to steal spin to a point where it will outspin MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145 CS due to the 'spin-stealing.' In my unofficial testings, the Lightning Tank is only able to steal spin to a point where the spin of both beys are equalized;both beys will be spinning with the same speed and velocity. The beys would only be able to end together for most of the time, unless either bey did some serious damage to the other bey. Hope you guys get what I mean lol, even I feel confused about what I'm writing. Someone please correct me if you disagree with what I'm saying. Smile
May. 06, 2011  3:45 PM
 
You aim to KO BasaltBD145. Or, cause it to self KO. If you want a bey that wins by spin stealing and such, use Maximum Meteor. This bey CAN reduce the spin of other things by using BD145, (particularly low opponents), but it's main aim is to KO opponents.

In fact, if you look up a couple of posts, you can see Bluezee saying that BasaltBD145 is beaten by KO.
May. 07, 2011  12:19 PM
 
(May. 06, 2011  12:07 AM)Kai-V Wrote:
(May. 05, 2011  11:37 PM)The Ryuga Wrote: [Huge quote removed.]

Maximum meteor and Lightning Tank are both very good, but because BD145 is good for pretty much everything and XF has great stamina doesn't this mean that there pretty much equal?

I have no idea how you could say that MF Meteo L Drago CH120XF and MF Lightning L Drago BD145LRF are basically equal, especially for the 'reasons' you mentioned.

I mean in win rates they are similar
May. 09, 2011  5:10 PM
 
Why not Test with Gravity? even Gravity can left spin
May. 09, 2011  5:49 PM
 
Because it doesn't work the same, lightning and gravity attack differently, and gravity doesn't do the job. I've tried it, though I didn't bother properly testing it, because it didn't work.
May. 09, 2011  8:19 PM
 
(May. 09, 2011  5:49 PM)th!nk Wrote: Because it doesn't work the same, lightning and gravity attack differently, and gravity doesn't do the job. I've tried it, though I didn't bother properly testing it, because it didn't work.

What do you mean "job"?
May. 09, 2011  8:23 PM
 
(May. 09, 2011  8:19 PM)The Ryuga Wrote: What do you mean "job"?

he means it doesn't work as good, or do it correctly for this combo
May. 12, 2011  2:47 AM
 
Very Similar to Kei's Post a few pages ago where he used MF L Drago 100WF, I tested Lightning Tank against MF L Drago 90MF

MF Lightning LDrago BD145R2F vs. MF L Drago 90MF
MF Lightning L Drago BD145R2F: 3 wins (All KOs)
MF L Drago 90MF: 17 wins (16 OS, 1 Self-KO)
MF L Drago 90MF win percentage: 85%

It should be noted I used a R2F and not LRF since I didn't have a LRF.
I alternated launches and used a sliding shoot with both. L Drago was knocked around a lot but was able to stay in and eventually destabilize LT.
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