Hello to all of you Bladers! This is my first ever testing thread, and it's more of an "interesting stuff" thread, rather than a "worthwhile combo". This thread is about using an under-used wheel, not neccesarily about a top-tier combo.

Keep in mind three things:

1. I'm suffering influenza right now, so that might have an adverse effect on winrate, not to mention I don't launch Tornado Stallers/Attack Types very well.

2. if there are any rubber bottoms, e.g RF/R2F/LRF, keep in mind that the condition is semi-prime, not as fast as a mint one but faster than a worn one.

3. In case anyone's worried, no, I didn't fabricate those tests in this thread.


Concept

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Similar to Burn 85MF, except that this custom trades off stamina that Burn can use to OS some customs for attack capability, for KOing said customs. This is essentialy an Attack/Tornado Staller hybrid.

This custom is strong against Defense types and Stamina types, but falls prey to anti-attack [especially Libra], Attack [especially LLD] and has some trouble OSing/KOing 230 Stamina [though this is more of my launch to blame for than anything else tbh], especially those that use CS.

This is, however, an "interesting stuff" combo thread, so don't expect much in the way of results.

Parts choice

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MF-L: Helps Aquario with it's recoil, adds weight, and increases the chance of Aquario KOing due to the extra weight. Unlike MF-M or MF-H however, MF-L doesn't affect stall time adversely.

Aquario: Low enough recoil to work on MF, nice stamina, and okay attack power. Th!nk wasn't joking when he said that this is an incredibly useful piece, if not as competitive.

DF105: Low enough to protect the underside of Aquario from 85 Stuff, but high enough to give this custom a chance against 230 stuff, though again 230CS could just smack it off.

MF: Need I say anything? MF can stall well, and is pretty much the only non-rubber tip capable of retaining the sliding shoot's flower pattern. Basically, if Tornado Stallers are your thing you should own this part. Not to mention it comes with Screw, a top-tier Attack wheel for Limited.

Launching

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Against Defense of any kind except CS: STALL HARD. Seriously. Just stall hard enough to stay out of contact. You should OS them easily. Attempting to make early contact just means playing into their hands, as Aquario's attack power is only middling.

Against CS Defense: Try to go for the KO; CS is kinda flimsy without heavy parts like BD145/E230, but it's extra stamina can catch you off guard.

Against Stamina [especially Flame 230]: Go for the KO, trying to outspin will result in a loss. 230 deserves special mention as it is harder to KO, but still, go for it- if you don't, 230 will grind you down until you scrape to death.

Against Attack/Anti-attack: Try to dodge/avoid them as long as possible to minimise chance of KOing. This is just-in-case knowledge only; don't pick a Tornado Staller against attack, especially Lightning.

Testing

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MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-H Libra R145RSF
Libra always launched first, Aquario shot straight.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1.Aquario OS
2.Aquario OS
3.Aquario OS
4.Aquario OS
5.Aquario OS
6.Aquario OS
7.Aquario OS
8..Aquario OS
9.Aquario OS
10.Aquario OS

Aquario: 10 [All OS]
Libra: 0
Aquario Winrate: 100%

Absolutely no contest here. Aquario stalled long enough for Libra to simply fall over.

MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-F Earth Cygnus W145WD
Cygnus always launched first, Aquario banked.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1.Aquario KO
2.Aquario KO
3.Cygnus OS
4. Tie, Aquario KO
5. Cygnus OS
6. Cygnus OS
7. Aquario KO
8. Aquario KO
9. Aquario KO
10. Tie; Aquario KO
11. Cygnus OS
12. Aquario KO
13. Aquario KO
14. Aquario KO
15. Aquario KO
16. Cygnus OS
17. Cygnus OS
18. Aquario KO
19. Aquario KO
20. Cygnus OS

Aquario: 13 [All KO]
Cygnus: 7 [All OS]
Aquario winrate: 65%

Again, I don't launch attack types very well, and I'm suffering influenza right now, so this skews the results in favor of Cygnus. However, if you're good, you can easily KO this thing all the time.
I tested this against the Burn variant of the Stamina combo, and it got the same winrate. Go figure..........

MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs  MF-H Libra CH120RF
Libra launched first on odd rounds, Aquario on even rounds. Both straight shot.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Libra KO
2. Libra KO
3. Libra KO
4. Libra KO
5. Libra KO
6. Libra KO
7. Libra KO
8. Aquario OS
9. Libra KO
10. Libra KO

Aquario: 1 [ All OS]
Libra: 9 [All KO]
Aquario winrate: 10%
Darn, this thing fails hard against Anti-Attack. Obviously the lighter Aquario doesn't like to ram into 50g of  "megabulking anger". The one OS it got was simply due to me launching Libra too weakly, causing it to stay in the center instead of stalling, allowing Aquario to stop it.

MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RF
Both beys straight shot, Aquario launched first on odd launches, LLD on even launches.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. LLD OS
2 .LLD KO
3. Aquario KO
4. LLD KO
5. LLD KO
6. LLD KO
7. LLD KO
8. LLD OS
9. Tie, LLD OS
10. LLD OS

LLD: 9 [4 OS, 5 KO]
Aquario: 1 [Lucky KO]
Aquario winrate: 10%
Again, LLD smashes the carp out of Tornado Stallers. The tie was a Double KO, but LLD can always spin equalise and smash away at Aquario if it doesn't knock out Aquario.

MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-F Flame Cygnus 230D
Cygnus always launched first, Aquario banked

Detail results (Click to View)

1.Aquario OS
2.Cygnus OS
3.Aquario KO
4.Aquario KO
5.Cygnus OS
6.Aquario KO
7.Aquario OS
8.Cygnus OS
9.Aquario OS
10.Aquario KO
11. Cygnus OS
12. Cygnus OS
13. Aquario KO
14. Aquario KO
15. Cygnus OS
16. Aquario OS
17. Aquario KO
18. Aquario KO
19. Aquario OS
20. Aquario KO

Aquario: 14 [5 OS, 9 KO]
Cygnus: 6[ 6 OS, No KO]
Aquario winrate: 70.0%

Flame and 230 work well hand-in-hand, if Aquario ever tries to destabilize it it gets force smashed and loses. Go for the KO or or you might get in trouble here.


MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-F Burn Cygnus 85WD
Cygnus always launched first

Detail results (Click to View)

1.Aquario KO
2.Aquario KO
3.Cygnus OS
4.Aquario KO
5.Aquario KO
6.Aquario KO
7.Aquario KO
8.Aquario KO
9.Tie, Aquario KO
10.Aquario KO

Aquario: 9 [All KO]
Cygnus: 1 [Lucky OS]
Aquario winrate : 90%

Cygnus' one OS was when Aquario was already too weak to KO it. The tie on the other hand was when Cygnus KOed Aquario at the same time it scraped itself to death.

Counters

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ATTACK TYPES, especially Lightning.
MF-H Libra CH120RF or any other Anti-attack custom, as long as it's heavier than Aquario.
CS-tipped Defense/Balance combos can also work if you're out of options, but Aquario still stands a chance of KOing them.

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I had tried Aquario 90MF awhile ago, and it didn't really do well. All it could do was tornado stall and beat rubber tips, but almost any wheel can do that. If I can find the motivation, I'll try testing this, but I don't have a metal face, so they won't be extremely accurate.

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“In the course of twenty crowded years, one parts with many illusions. I did not wish to lose the early ones. Some memories are realities, and are better than anything that can ever happen again.” -Jim Burden (My Ántonia)

TBH, it seems interesting, but I don't know about it.

Nice tests ^^

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Dual: Did you use MF-L? Aquario's recoil is a bit wild against rubber tips, but MF-L adds much needed weight without sacrificing much stamina. And as I said, this is simply a more offensive Burn 85MF-much much more capable of KOing stamina, and outspinning Defense [obviously]. They even share the same weakness and strengths. I was just thinking that Tornado Stallers need a new wheel, not just Burn. Th!nk also said this wheel worked well when he was still here- low enough recoil and decent enough stamina to work nicely on MF. Just not against Libra, where Libra will smack it straight out.

This thread smells more "this looks interesting" than "this is top tier" anyway.

Oh, and I tried this against CS, and tbh CS is an answer to Tornado Staller heavy metas: too much defense to KO, and too much stamina to OS. This thing might not work 100% but it's still an annoyance to Tornado Stallers.

Ocean: Thanks for the compliments. This was aided by Ingulit's Beytest App, so kudos to Ingulit, he made my life much easier. And LOL at your sig bro.

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I did not, but I don't think it could have made a drastic difference, though I don't deny the possibility. And I don't see a need to come up with an alternative to Burn, it does it's job well. I think there would be a Chrome wheel or a heavier metal wheel that might serve as a better alternative, I just don't know what it would be.

Anyway, it's an interesting combo, and I love Aquario, haha.

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“In the course of twenty crowded years, one parts with many illusions. I did not wish to lose the early ones. Some memories are realities, and are better than anything that can ever happen again.” -Jim Burden (My Ántonia)

It's my stellar zodiac too Dual.

And anyways, can anyone else help with testing/opinion? Kei especially, I saw him online a few min ago.

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I remember Echizen came up with a similar combo a while ago, but the fact that you made this up on your own only supports that Aquario could have use as a Tornado Staller.

If you have the pieces and time, could you test against Meteo/LDG F230GCF? Burn 85/90MF can usually beat it and I want to see if Aquario can too. You'll probably have an easier time against Meteo. I would do it myself but I don't own an Aquario.

I have a question, at any point was Aquario able to OS Earth 145WD?

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I know th!nk was very big on Aquario a while back in a setup similar to this, but I don't remember if he ever posted any official tests anywhere.

Wombat: I lost my F230 from last year. But considering Meteo's lightweight, if Burn can KO it easily then the more attack-oriented Aquario should have no problem.

LMAO: I tested against Earth W145WD. If you mean the bare track 145 then probably it can but I don't have time right now.

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This is probably a huge no-no (i.e the necro) under any other circumstances, but I've returned with more tests:
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs. Meteo L Drago TR145XF
MLD launched first on even launches, Aquario launched first on odd. Both beys straight shot.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. MLD OS
2. Aquario KO
3. MLD KO
4. MLD OS
5. Aquario KO
6. Aquario OS
7. Aquario OS
8. Aquario KO
9. Tie; MLD OS
10. Aquario KO
11. MLD KO
12. MLD OS
13. MLD OS
14. Tie; Aquario KO
15. Aquario KO
16. Aquario KO
17. MLD OS
18. MLD OS
19. Aquario KO
20. Aquario KO

Aquario: 11 (2 OS, 9 KO)
MLD: 9 (7 OS, 2 KO)
Aquario Win %: 55.0%


This was a pretty intense and exciting battle due to the sheer speed it involves. MLD definitely has the advantage because XF>MF for spin-equalizing;; the only OSes Aquario got were due to errors on my part during launching (too weakly or something like that). Nevertheless, MF can catch the tornado ridge pretty well which gives Aquario the edge in not being KOed. 

If you ever come up with MLD-based tornado stallers using XF/GF/GCF/CF, go for the KO. Trying to dodge MLD will work against you.

MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs. MF-H Earth Cygnus 230CS
Cygnus always launched first. Aquario banked.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Cygnus OS
2. Cygnus OS
3. Aquario OS
4. Aquario KO
5. Cygnus OS
6. Cygnus OS
7. Aquario KO
8. Cygnus OS
9. Tie; Cygnus OS
10. Cygnus OS
11. Aquario KO
12. Cygnus OS
13. Cygnus OS
14. Cygnus OS
15. Cygnus OS
16. Cygnus OS
17. Cygnus OS
18. Tie; Cygnus OS
19. Cygnus OS
20. Cygnus OS

Aquario: 4 (1 OS, 3 KO)
Cygnus: 16 (16 OS, 0 KO)
Aquario Win %: 20.0%

For such a disadvantaged match-up, Aquario put up a pretty darned good fight and managed to send it flying a couple of times. Still, CS is the tip that gives tornado stallers problems as it has just the right mix of defense and stamina that trying to OS it isn't a viable idea (in my opinion). In this case, using more aggresive wheels like Aquario or Rock may help with that.

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