Jun. 07, 2015 4:48 PM
Hello to all of you Bladers! This is my first ever testing thread, and it's more of an "interesting stuff" thread, rather than a "worthwhile combo". This thread is about using an under-used wheel, not neccesarily about a top-tier combo.
Keep in mind three things:
1. I'm suffering influenza right now, so that might have an adverse effect on winrate, not to mention I don't launch Tornado Stallers/Attack Types very well.
2. if there are any rubber bottoms, e.g RF/R2F/LRF, keep in mind that the condition is semi-prime, not as fast as a mint one but faster than a worn one.
3. In case anyone's worried, no, I didn't fabricate those tests in this thread.
Concept
Parts choice
MF-L: Helps Aquario with it's recoil, adds weight, and increases the chance of Aquario KOing due to the extra weight. Unlike MF-M or MF-H however, MF-L doesn't affect stall time adversely.
Aquario: Low enough recoil to work on MF, nice stamina, and okay attack power. Th!nk wasn't joking when he said that this is an incredibly useful piece, if not as competitive.
DF105: Low enough to protect the underside of Aquario from 85 Stuff, but high enough to give this custom a chance against 230 stuff, though again 230CS could just smack it off.
MF: Need I say anything? MF can stall well, and is pretty much the only non-rubber tip capable of retaining the sliding shoot's flower pattern. Basically, if Tornado Stallers are your thing you should own this part. Not to mention it comes with Screw, a top-tier Attack wheel for Limited.
Launching
Against Defense of any kind except CS: STALL HARD. Seriously. Just stall hard enough to stay out of contact. You should OS them easily. Attempting to make early contact just means playing into their hands, as Aquario's attack power is only middling.
Against CS Defense: Try to go for the KO; CS is kinda flimsy without heavy parts like BD145/E230, but it's extra stamina can catch you off guard.
Against Stamina [especially Flame 230]: Go for the KO, trying to outspin will result in a loss. 230 deserves special mention as it is harder to KO, but still, go for it- if you don't, 230 will grind you down until you scrape to death.
Against Attack/Anti-attack: Try to dodge/avoid them as long as possible to minimise chance of KOing. This is just-in-case knowledge only; don't pick a Tornado Staller against attack, especially Lightning.
Testing
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-H Libra R145RSF
Libra always launched first, Aquario shot straight.
Aquario: 10 [All OS]
Libra: 0
Aquario Winrate: 100%
Absolutely no contest here. Aquario stalled long enough for Libra to simply fall over.
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-F Earth Cygnus W145WD
Cygnus always launched first, Aquario banked.
Aquario: 13 [All KO]
Cygnus: 7 [All OS]
Aquario winrate: 65%
Again, I don't launch attack types very well, and I'm suffering influenza right now, so this skews the results in favor of Cygnus. However, if you're good, you can easily KO this thing all the time.
I tested this against the Burn variant of the Stamina combo, and it got the same winrate. Go figure..........
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-H Libra CH120RF
Libra launched first on odd rounds, Aquario on even rounds. Both straight shot.
Aquario: 1 [ All OS]
Libra: 9 [All KO]
Aquario winrate: 10%
Darn, this thing fails hard against Anti-Attack. Obviously the lighter Aquario doesn't like to ram into 50g of "megabulking anger". The one OS it got was simply due to me launching Libra too weakly, causing it to stay in the center instead of stalling, allowing Aquario to stop it.
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RF
Both beys straight shot, Aquario launched first on odd launches, LLD on even launches.
LLD: 9 [4 OS, 5 KO]
Aquario: 1 [Lucky KO]
Aquario winrate: 10%
Again, LLD smashes the carp out of Tornado Stallers. The tie was a Double KO, but LLD can always spin equalise and smash away at Aquario if it doesn't knock out Aquario.
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-F Flame Cygnus 230D
Cygnus always launched first, Aquario banked
Aquario: 14 [5 OS, 9 KO]
Cygnus: 6[ 6 OS, No KO]
Aquario winrate: 70.0%
Flame and 230 work well hand-in-hand, if Aquario ever tries to destabilize it it gets force smashed and loses. Go for the KO or or you might get in trouble here.
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-F Burn Cygnus 85WD
Cygnus always launched first
Aquario: 9 [All KO]
Cygnus: 1 [Lucky OS]
Aquario winrate : 90%
Cygnus' one OS was when Aquario was already too weak to KO it. The tie on the other hand was when Cygnus KOed Aquario at the same time it scraped itself to death.
Counters
Keep in mind three things:
1. I'm suffering influenza right now, so that might have an adverse effect on winrate, not to mention I don't launch Tornado Stallers/Attack Types very well.
2. if there are any rubber bottoms, e.g RF/R2F/LRF, keep in mind that the condition is semi-prime, not as fast as a mint one but faster than a worn one.
3. In case anyone's worried, no, I didn't fabricate those tests in this thread.
Concept
Spoiler (Click to View)
Similar to Burn 85MF, except that this custom trades off stamina that Burn can use to OS some customs for attack capability, for KOing said customs. This is essentialy an Attack/Tornado Staller hybrid.
This custom is strong against Defense types and Stamina types, but falls prey to anti-attack [especially Libra], Attack [especially LLD] and has some trouble OSing/KOing 230 Stamina [though this is more of my launch to blame for than anything else tbh], especially those that use CS.
This is, however, an "interesting stuff" combo thread, so don't expect much in the way of results.
This custom is strong against Defense types and Stamina types, but falls prey to anti-attack [especially Libra], Attack [especially LLD] and has some trouble OSing/KOing 230 Stamina [though this is more of my launch to blame for than anything else tbh], especially those that use CS.
This is, however, an "interesting stuff" combo thread, so don't expect much in the way of results.
Spoiler (Click to View)
MF-L: Helps Aquario with it's recoil, adds weight, and increases the chance of Aquario KOing due to the extra weight. Unlike MF-M or MF-H however, MF-L doesn't affect stall time adversely.
Aquario: Low enough recoil to work on MF, nice stamina, and okay attack power. Th!nk wasn't joking when he said that this is an incredibly useful piece, if not as competitive.
DF105: Low enough to protect the underside of Aquario from 85 Stuff, but high enough to give this custom a chance against 230 stuff, though again 230CS could just smack it off.
MF: Need I say anything? MF can stall well, and is pretty much the only non-rubber tip capable of retaining the sliding shoot's flower pattern. Basically, if Tornado Stallers are your thing you should own this part. Not to mention it comes with Screw, a top-tier Attack wheel for Limited.
Spoiler (Click to View)
Against Defense of any kind except CS: STALL HARD. Seriously. Just stall hard enough to stay out of contact. You should OS them easily. Attempting to make early contact just means playing into their hands, as Aquario's attack power is only middling.
Against CS Defense: Try to go for the KO; CS is kinda flimsy without heavy parts like BD145/E230, but it's extra stamina can catch you off guard.
Against Stamina [especially Flame 230]: Go for the KO, trying to outspin will result in a loss. 230 deserves special mention as it is harder to KO, but still, go for it- if you don't, 230 will grind you down until you scrape to death.
Against Attack/Anti-attack: Try to dodge/avoid them as long as possible to minimise chance of KOing. This is just-in-case knowledge only; don't pick a Tornado Staller against attack, especially Lightning.
Spoiler (Click to View)
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-H Libra R145RSF
Libra always launched first, Aquario shot straight.
Detail Results (Click to View)
1.Aquario OS
2.Aquario OS
3.Aquario OS
4.Aquario OS
5.Aquario OS
6.Aquario OS
7.Aquario OS
8..Aquario OS
9.Aquario OS
10.Aquario OS
2.Aquario OS
3.Aquario OS
4.Aquario OS
5.Aquario OS
6.Aquario OS
7.Aquario OS
8..Aquario OS
9.Aquario OS
10.Aquario OS
Libra: 0
Aquario Winrate: 100%
Absolutely no contest here. Aquario stalled long enough for Libra to simply fall over.
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-F Earth Cygnus W145WD
Cygnus always launched first, Aquario banked.
Detail Results (Click to View)
1.Aquario KO
2.Aquario KO
3.Cygnus OS
4. Tie, Aquario KO
5. Cygnus OS
6. Cygnus OS
7. Aquario KO
8. Aquario KO
9. Aquario KO
10. Tie; Aquario KO
11. Cygnus OS
12. Aquario KO
13. Aquario KO
14. Aquario KO
15. Aquario KO
16. Cygnus OS
17. Cygnus OS
18. Aquario KO
19. Aquario KO
20. Cygnus OS
2.Aquario KO
3.Cygnus OS
4. Tie, Aquario KO
5. Cygnus OS
6. Cygnus OS
7. Aquario KO
8. Aquario KO
9. Aquario KO
10. Tie; Aquario KO
11. Cygnus OS
12. Aquario KO
13. Aquario KO
14. Aquario KO
15. Aquario KO
16. Cygnus OS
17. Cygnus OS
18. Aquario KO
19. Aquario KO
20. Cygnus OS
Cygnus: 7 [All OS]
Aquario winrate: 65%
Again, I don't launch attack types very well, and I'm suffering influenza right now, so this skews the results in favor of Cygnus. However, if you're good, you can easily KO this thing all the time.
I tested this against the Burn variant of the Stamina combo, and it got the same winrate. Go figure..........
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-H Libra CH120RF
Libra launched first on odd rounds, Aquario on even rounds. Both straight shot.
Detail Results (Click to View)
1. Libra KO
2. Libra KO
3. Libra KO
4. Libra KO
5. Libra KO
6. Libra KO
7. Libra KO
8. Aquario OS
9. Libra KO
10. Libra KO
2. Libra KO
3. Libra KO
4. Libra KO
5. Libra KO
6. Libra KO
7. Libra KO
8. Aquario OS
9. Libra KO
10. Libra KO
Libra: 9 [All KO]
Aquario winrate: 10%
Darn, this thing fails hard against Anti-Attack. Obviously the lighter Aquario doesn't like to ram into 50g of "megabulking anger". The one OS it got was simply due to me launching Libra too weakly, causing it to stay in the center instead of stalling, allowing Aquario to stop it.
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RF
Both beys straight shot, Aquario launched first on odd launches, LLD on even launches.
Detail Results (Click to View)
1. LLD OS
2 .LLD KO
3. Aquario KO
4. LLD KO
5. LLD KO
6. LLD KO
7. LLD KO
8. LLD OS
9. Tie, LLD OS
10. LLD OS
2 .LLD KO
3. Aquario KO
4. LLD KO
5. LLD KO
6. LLD KO
7. LLD KO
8. LLD OS
9. Tie, LLD OS
10. LLD OS
Aquario: 1 [Lucky KO]
Aquario winrate: 10%
Again, LLD smashes the carp out of Tornado Stallers. The tie was a Double KO, but LLD can always spin equalise and smash away at Aquario if it doesn't knock out Aquario.
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-F Flame Cygnus 230D
Cygnus always launched first, Aquario banked
Detail results (Click to View)
1.Aquario OS
2.Cygnus OS
3.Aquario KO
4.Aquario KO
5.Cygnus OS
6.Aquario KO
7.Aquario OS
8.Cygnus OS
9.Aquario OS
10.Aquario KO
11. Cygnus OS
12. Cygnus OS
13. Aquario KO
14. Aquario KO
15. Cygnus OS
16. Aquario OS
17. Aquario KO
18. Aquario KO
19. Aquario OS
20. Aquario KO
2.Cygnus OS
3.Aquario KO
4.Aquario KO
5.Cygnus OS
6.Aquario KO
7.Aquario OS
8.Cygnus OS
9.Aquario OS
10.Aquario KO
11. Cygnus OS
12. Cygnus OS
13. Aquario KO
14. Aquario KO
15. Cygnus OS
16. Aquario OS
17. Aquario KO
18. Aquario KO
19. Aquario OS
20. Aquario KO
Cygnus: 6[ 6 OS, No KO]
Aquario winrate: 70.0%
Flame and 230 work well hand-in-hand, if Aquario ever tries to destabilize it it gets force smashed and loses. Go for the KO or or you might get in trouble here.
MF-L Aquario DF105MF vs MF-F Burn Cygnus 85WD
Cygnus always launched first
Detail results (Click to View)
1.Aquario KO
2.Aquario KO
3.Cygnus OS
4.Aquario KO
5.Aquario KO
6.Aquario KO
7.Aquario KO
8.Aquario KO
9.Tie, Aquario KO
10.Aquario KO
2.Aquario KO
3.Cygnus OS
4.Aquario KO
5.Aquario KO
6.Aquario KO
7.Aquario KO
8.Aquario KO
9.Tie, Aquario KO
10.Aquario KO
Cygnus: 1 [Lucky OS]
Aquario winrate : 90%
Cygnus' one OS was when Aquario was already too weak to KO it. The tie on the other hand was when Cygnus KOed Aquario at the same time it scraped itself to death.
Spoiler (Click to View)
ATTACK TYPES, especially Lightning.
MF-H Libra CH120RF or any other Anti-attack custom, as long as it's heavier than Aquario.
CS-tipped Defense/Balance combos can also work if you're out of options, but Aquario still stands a chance of KOing them.
MF-H Libra CH120RF or any other Anti-attack custom, as long as it's heavier than Aquario.
CS-tipped Defense/Balance combos can also work if you're out of options, but Aquario still stands a chance of KOing them.