[Hasbro]  Turbo Valtryek V3 Testing and Discussion

(Sep. 23, 2019  5:53 PM)DrainBladerAMVS Wrote:
(Sep. 23, 2019  5:49 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: It's kinda self-explanatory

while it is, it doesn't help to point that out, 
{g2_} well when you get a tie, redo it
I still don't understand, I'm making multiple rounds anyway, so what's the point of that. Am I not supposed to mention double bursts, or double spin finishes?
(Sep. 23, 2019  7:58 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Sep. 23, 2019  5:53 PM)DrainBladerAMVS Wrote: while it is, it doesn't help to point that out, 
{g2_} well when you get a tie, redo it
I still don't understand, I'm making multiple rounds anyway, so what's the point of that. Am I not supposed to mention double bursts, or double spin finishes?
So what I mean is say you do 20 rounds for testing and you have 3 ties, you would mention, but redo the battles so instead of having 17 rounds with a winner and 3 ties, you have 20 rounds with a winner and 3 ties.
(Sep. 23, 2019  9:07 PM)bladekid Wrote:
(Sep. 23, 2019  7:58 PM)g2_ Wrote: I still don't understand, I'm making multiple rounds anyway, so what's the point of that. Am I not supposed to mention double bursts, or double spin finishes?
So what I mean is say you do 20 rounds for testing and you have 3 ties, you would mention, but redo the battles so instead of having 17 rounds with a winner and 3 ties, you have 20 rounds with a winner and 3 ties.

OK, I understand.
Turbo Valtryek 12W Qs-S VS aB 0W Br
(Sep. 23, 2019  10:05 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Turbo Valtryek 12W Qs-S VS aB 0W Br
Don't have Qs-S and what's aB?
Balkesh? That's aB3. aB is Arc Bahamut, although on TT bearing it would probably just re-tighten after being clicked.
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:17 PM)X-Wing Wrote: Balkesh? That's aB3. aB is Arc Bahamut, although on TT bearing it would probably just re-tighten after being clicked.

Alright.
Probably do both.
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:27 PM)X-Wing Wrote: Probably do both.

Don't have B3
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:29 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:27 PM)X-Wing Wrote: Probably do both.

Don't have B3

Ah. Wonder if tV3 Bl Xt can burst aB 00W/0W Br?
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:31 PM)X-Wing Wrote:
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:29 PM)g2_ Wrote: Don't have B3

Ah. Wonder if tV3 Bl Xt can burst aB 00W/0W Br?

Tomorrow I'll do the testing.

(Sep. 23, 2019  11:31 PM)X-Wing Wrote:
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:29 PM)g2_ Wrote: Don't have B3

Ah. Wonder if tV3 Bl Xt can burst aB 00W/0W Br?

Test 1:
tV3 Bl Xt vs aB 0W Br (aB alwayes launched first, ties redone, both strong launched, 10 battles)
Round 1 aB Spin finish 1 point
Round 2 aB Spin finish 1 point
Round 3 tV3 Burst finish 2 points
Round 4 aB Spin finish 1 point
Round 5 aB Spin finish 1 point

This time tV3 weak launched

Round 6 tV3 Burst finish 2 points
Round 7 tV3 Burst finish 2 points 
Round 8 tV3 Burst finish 2 points

Round 9 tV3 Burst finish 2 points 
Round 10 tV3 Burst finish 2 points
tV3 Win rate: 60% (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 6)
aB Win rate: 40% (OS: 4, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 0
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:45 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:31 PM)X-Wing Wrote: Ah. Wonder if tV3 Bl Xt can burst aB 00W/0W Br?

Tomorrow I'll do the testing.

(Sep. 23, 2019  11:31 PM)X-Wing Wrote: Ah. Wonder if tV3 Bl Xt can burst aB 00W/0W Br?

Test 1:
tV3 Bl Xt vs aB 0W Br (aB alwayes launched first, ties redone, both strong launched, 10 battles)
Round 1 aB Spin finish 1 point
Round 2 aB Spin finish 1 point
Round 3 tV3 Burst finish 2 points
Round 4 aB Spin finish 1 point
Round 5 aB Spin finish 1 point

This time tV3 weak launched

Round 6 tV3 Burst finish 2 points
Round 7 tV3 Burst finish 2 points 
Round 8 tV3 Burst finish 2 points

Round 9 tV3 Burst finish 2 points 
Round 10 tV3 Burst finish 2 points
tV3 Win rate: 60% (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 6)
aB Win rate: 40% (OS: 4, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 0
Ok, here's a quick rule of thumb, when you do testing, count bursts as 1 point instead of 2. Also you must have an obscenely bad B3 if you're getting tV3 to burst it

(Sep. 24, 2019  12:37 PM)bladekid Wrote:
(Sep. 23, 2019  11:45 PM)g2_ Wrote: Tomorrow I'll do the testing.


Test 1:
tV3 Bl Xt vs aB 0W Br (aB alwayes launched first, ties redone, both strong launched, 10 battles)
Round 1 aB Spin finish 1 point
Round 2 aB Spin finish 1 point
Round 3 tV3 Burst finish 2 points
Round 4 aB Spin finish 1 point
Round 5 aB Spin finish 1 point

This time tV3 weak launched

Round 6 tV3 Burst finish 2 points
Round 7 tV3 Burst finish 2 points 
Round 8 tV3 Burst finish 2 points

Round 9 tV3 Burst finish 2 points 
Round 10 tV3 Burst finish 2 points
tV3 Win rate: 60% (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 6)
aB Win rate: 40% (OS: 4, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 0
Ok, here's a quick rule of thumb, when you do testing, count bursts as 1 point instead of 2. Also you must have an obscenely bad B3 if you're getting tV3 to burst it

Oh nevermind, it's TT.
If you do dread hades tests, can you test dH3.7C.Ir against dC3.7flow.orbit?
(Sep. 24, 2019  2:21 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: If you do dread hades tests, can you test dH3.7C.Ir against dC3.7flow.orbit?
Sure, make a separate thread, I'll do the testing
I decided to revive this thread and add some new testing results, after I finally got my copy of this bey. tV3 was kinda hyped (and has a high tier ranking) but all I read here was "it bursted every round". So what's the truth about Turbo Valtryek?

Stamina bey first, attacking bey second.

tV3.00T.Z vs. Z3.0G.At
tV3: 3 KO (30% Win rate)
Z3: 4 OS, 2 BF, 1 KO (70% Win rate)

tV3.00T.Hn vs. Z3.0G.At
tV3: 1 KO (10% Win rate)
Z3: 6 OS, 3 BF (70% Win rate)

tV3.00T.J vs. Z3.0G.At
tV3: 2 OS (20% Win rate)
Z3: 2 OS, 6 BF (80% Win rate)

Now I switched discs, because 00 could have a higher burst risk than 0.

tV3.0T.Ds vs. Z3.00G.At
tV3: 1 OS (10% Win rate)
Z3: 5 OS, 4 BF (90% Win rate)

Ok, with switched discs the same results.

Conclusion: tV3 did not do well. But this are just some tests.
(Feb. 29, 2020  9:37 PM)Me-has-Bro Wrote: I decided to revive this thread and add some new testing results, after I finally got my copy of this bey. tV3 was kinda hyped (and has a high tier ranking) but all I read here was "it bursted every round". So what's the truth about Turbo Valtryek?

Stamina bey first, attacking bey second.

tV3.00T.Z vs. Z3.0G.At
tV3: 3 KO (30% Win rate)
Z3: 4 OS, 2 BF, 1 KO (70% Win rate)

tV3.00T.Hn vs. Z3.0G.At
tV3: 1 KO (10% Win rate)
Z3: 6 OS, 3 BF (70% Win rate)

tV3.00T.J vs. Z3.0G.At
tV3: 2 OS (20% Win rate)
Z3: 2 OS, 6 BF (80% Win rate)

Now I switched discs, because 00 could have a higher burst risk than 0.

tV3.0T.Ds vs. Z3.00G.At
tV3: 1 OS (10% Win rate)
Z3: 5 OS, 4 BF (90% Win rate)

Ok, with switched discs the same results.

Conclusion: tV3 did not excite me. He doesnt seem to have a good burst resistance. For some he is the best attacking bey. I still have to understand why.
Some molds have insane burst resistance.
Well, if this is the case: I look forward to see some testing results of someone who has one of those insane molds :-)

Hmmm dunno... should I buy another tV3? Seems like gambling. And in all YouTube Videos about tV3 he did not perform well. For me, definitely not a Tier 8 layer on a Tier list.
(Feb. 29, 2020  11:18 PM)Me-has-Bro Wrote: Well, if this is the case: I look forward to see some testing results of someone who has one of those insane molds :-)

Hmmm dunno... should I buy another tV3? Seems like gambling. And in all YouTube Videos about tV3 he did not perform well. For me, definitely not a Tier 8 layer on a Tier list.
I have 5 of them, one of them is nearly unburstable.
(Feb. 29, 2020  11:18 PM)Me-has-Bro Wrote: Well, if this is the case: I look forward to see some testing results of someone who has one of those insane molds :-)

Hmmm dunno... should I buy another tV3? Seems like gambling. And in all YouTube Videos about tV3 he did not perform well. For me, definitely not a Tier 8 layer on a Tier list.
Well, that's because you aren't using it optimally. The reason I put it into tier 8 is because it's the best attack bey hasbro has besides maybe JJ5 l, which wasn't out at the time. With the performance I saw from it, I really couldn't put it anywhere below 7 or 8.
(Mar. 01, 2020  3:20 AM)bladekid Wrote:
(Feb. 29, 2020  11:18 PM)Me-has-Bro Wrote: Well, if this is the case: I look forward to see some testing results of someone who has one of those insane molds :-)

Hmmm dunno... should I buy another tV3? Seems like gambling. And in all YouTube Videos about tV3 he did not perform well. For me, definitely not a Tier 8 layer on a Tier list.
Well, that's because you aren't using it optimally. The reason I put it into tier 8 is because it's the best attack bey hasbro has besides maybe JJ5 l, which wasn't out at the time. With the performance I saw from it, I really couldn't put it anywhere below 7 or 8.

JJ5 is trash.
(Mar. 01, 2020  3:36 AM)g2_ Wrote:
(Mar. 01, 2020  3:20 AM)bladekid Wrote: Well, that's because you aren't using it optimally. The reason I put it into tier 8 is because it's the best attack bey hasbro has besides maybe JJ5 l, which wasn't out at the time. With the performance I saw from it, I really couldn't put it anywhere below 7 or 8.

JJ5 is trash.
Eh, maybe it is, but I've noticed that it hits harder per hit than tV3, but idk if that will make it better or not, haven't tested it yet.
(Mar. 01, 2020  3:53 AM)bladekid Wrote:
(Mar. 01, 2020  3:36 AM)g2_ Wrote: JJ5 is trash.
Eh, maybe it is, but I've noticed that it hits harder per hit than tV3, but idk if that will make it better or not, haven't tested it yet.

The burst resistance is awful.
(Mar. 01, 2020  3:55 AM)g2_ Wrote:
(Mar. 01, 2020  3:53 AM)bladekid Wrote: Eh, maybe it is, but I've noticed that it hits harder per hit than tV3, but idk if that will make it better or not, haven't tested it yet.

The burst resistance is awful.
It is kinda, but it's almost serviceable and it will work fine in limited. It's attack is just too good to keep it out of that high.
How do I use it properly?
https://youtu.be/e9_iFYSjymc
I have the same results as seen in that video from zankye. tV3 just bursts.
For me, Hades and Noctemis are much better. Even in stock.

bladekid: I am thankful for some instructions. Should I weak launch it? But then the burst stoppers dont come out... I used angled launch. How to launch tV3 to make it win?
(Mar. 01, 2020  8:25 AM)Me-has-Bro Wrote: How do I use it properly?
https://youtu.be/e9_iFYSjymc
I have the same results as seen in that video from zankye. tV3 just bursts.
For me, Hades and Noctemis are much better. Even in stock.

bladekid: I am thankful for some instructions. Should I weak launch it? But then the burst stoppers dont come out... I used angled launch. How to launch tV3 to make it win?
Umm, this is stock tV3. It doesn't have the attack potential in stock so it just bursts. You need a tight X or Hn driver and I'd recommend the blitz disk. Doing a weaker launch helps, but it will make the attack worse. And honestly, idk how yours is that much worse to the point where Hades and noctemis are better for attack. I see them as more balance beys than anything.