Except that there is a huge block if you consider the logic that rubber flat tips should excell in a good stadium compared to plastic flat ones of a normal size. It is completely abnormal that you have to degrade an Attack type from using rubber to only using plastic to make it work well.

That's where Customizing comes in?
You can't expect a RF to work well in every stadium, there will be times where you need to use a plastic Flat to win with Attack-based customs. "Good" stadium or not.

But anyway, Lighting L-Drago(Knockout) 100RF does fine with PTW. MF or not.
A simple tilted sliding shoot is needed.

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I agree more and much with Kai-V in for many senses. The TFW Format that I have shown does not include the 'ATK Type out-of-play situations'. I mean once and properly shot it should not come past the ridge. Heck with it if it does. I mean, Kai-V's point is so useful. Think of it in a sense of me trying to test Hasbro's Galaxy. I am only a couple who own it on this thread and the problem is Galaxy is much better with Rubber in an ATK Stadium. Out goal is not to fit the terrain, but to make the most out of it.

The test on Galaxy Bull proves my point. Lightning is King. But in the Hasbro Metagame, much is possible but little is to remain. If the 'guy who thinks hes leader[wolfblade]' is gonna put us down, what do we have left. The TFW isn't dumb at all. The point is not just a simple knock out, but a KO that deserves its initials and would interpret to an ATK Type Stadium.

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If the 'guy who thinks hes leader[wolfblade]' is gonna put us down, what do we have left. The TFW isn't dumb at all. The point is not just a simple knock out, but a KO that deserves its initials and would interpret to an ATK Type Stadium.

first off i do not think i am a leader, personally i do not need to be the leader at all, i was actually appointed to lead by megablader9. i did not ask to lead, nor did i appoint myself. also, read what it says in my signature...

second, i am not doubting that this is a bad idea, and i am not trying to put you down. but IMO doing this is a bit of a violation of the WBO organized rule that states that 'any modification that changes the way it performs is illegal'. though it may not be a modification, it still changes the performance of the beys. i also believe that it will make some balancing issues

and like i said, i do not have the final say, there is my co-organizers that i need to consult, and kai-v also should have a say in this

also, IIRC galaxy does bad in a TT stadium, so in a hasbro stadium i do not think it really matters if it does good or not.

and again, i may reconsider when basalt is released, but right now, i do not think it is needed at this moment in time

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Hold on! Arguments like this killed the last thread. Quit it, man. Look, I like the idea, even if I have a bit of catching up to do, newly getting re-involved with the testing and all, and yeah, I asked Wolfblade to take care of the thread. So what? I think he did a damn good job, too. Even organizers are allowed an opinion. I love this idea, Wolfblade can tell you that, so I think that the "Guy who thinks he's leader" comment was totally uncalled for. People have differing opinions, so quit the heated debates. I don't want to see this locked over something so small, so just work it out. If you want to use it, then do so, but make the penalty area smaller, so Balance combos can arise. Plus, it's only for PTW, so what's the harm? That's my take, like it or not. (I just don't like arguments)

No, No, No, and No. I know he's not the leader and that's what I meant. I was inferring that our organised, wolfblade, should really take this in to place now.

Whatever, we need some tests with Ray, anyone have a request? Instead of Ray Virgo, I will test that later I need ATK Ray tests.

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I know that, I was stating that your post was unfair, even if I do support your idea. (I still say shrink the penalty)
Whatever, moving on, people!

It seems some have totally ignored what i said for if that format for PTW was in play.

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No, we haven't. It's optional, and Yes, I am trying find a decent attack combo for PTW. It may take a while. I didn't ignore that you said "Customize for the Stadium".

Yeah, the closest could possibly be a destablizer with ray

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just wondering
why cant we test in the other stadiums ( like mobile carry case)
wouldnt we need to see whats good in what staduim
ppl may not use the maximum stampede (or that lighting staduim)
what we do with the hasbro kids who want combos (lol)
( aslo if we can test this, can we test with not fence ( the take off ones) as i see many kids playing without them,also helps attack)

just wondering
why cant we test in the other stadiums ( like mobile carry case)
wouldnt we need to see whats good in what staduim
ppl may not use the maximum stampede (or that lighting staduim)
what we do with the hasbro kids who want combos (lol)
( aslo if we can test this, can we test with not fence ( the take off ones) as i see many kids playing without them,also helps attack)

think of it like this, 'the only legal stadiums are Attack Stadium, and the Standard Stadium', where as most have hasbro, and/or blue fake stads.

its sorta like this, you don't have the legal stadium, there not viable results.

but i do think there might be better hasbro stadiums out there, as you kinda said

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but i do think there might be better hasbro stadiums out there, as you kinda said

well from the tests done, the max stampede and lightning force are the best, and give the best results

IIRC the mobile carry case was tested in, but it is so small that it made attack types do worse then in the MXS and LF

though it would be good to have a list for every hasbro stadium, in most of them all you need to use is a stamina combo like earth bull 145-125-100 WD and you will win most to all

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Lord Wolfblade i recieved your pm about this. I sent a response!

Anyways, here is a shorter, revised version of what I told Lord Wolfblade regarding this matter.

The evidence presented by Beybladestation is compeling, however, tests will need to be done using the same exact conditions, but in either a Lightning Force Stadium, and/or a Maximum Stampede Stadium. Also, if possible, tetss from a TT Attack Stadium would also help, if anyone has one and is willing to do so.

The only problem other than it may or may not work is that these diagrams were hand drawn on the stadium, and thus, others who wish to do the same as this person may not draw the diagram correctly and results will be effected. If this is allowed, i suspect that BeyBladestation will be the only one allowed to do so, agian, only if its allowed.

For the moment, I have nothing else to say about this. It is definatly worth looking into. This is a very interesting proposal and I would like to see where this goes.

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Regarding Rubber tips in Hasbro stadiums, this thread was made to prove that RF isnt always the best. Different terrains allow for different tiers, and RF is no excpeption. Just as a generalization, the WBO has made it a point to say that TT Attack is the best stadiums, and any stadium that doesn't produce the same results is a bad stadium. This is not necisarily true. What works in a TT Stadium may not work in a Hasbro Stadium, and vice versa. For example, SF is only a mediocore destabalizer in a TT Attack Stadium, but in most hasbro stadiums, tests have shown it kicks butt! (you know...if you can find anything in this maze of a thread...)

And as said before, depending on how well the bey is launched, the condition of the RF, (etc) the RF tip varies in preformace, being either slightly better or worse than F and HF style tips.

Well... thanks for the help. But it wouldn't be miscalculated. Seriously, the ATK Type Stadium has a typical 3 Wall Format. It is easy to imagine an ATK Type Stadium being within the PTW. Even if any miscalculation were to occur, it would be nevertheless insignificant.

Again, the penalty pockets, the top left corner, top right hand corner, and the south side would all be considered KO places if the Beyblade is hit SIGNIFICANTLY HARD enough.

Ok, one more shot, does anyone need some ATK Tests on Ray?

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Not everyone has a TT Attack Stadium to compare it to, so the positioning of the sketches will more than likely be off and unaligned. That would certantly be signifigant.

Sure it is easy to imagine, but can it be proven? Do you have a LF or MXS stadium, or better yet, a TT attack stadium for which you can preform the same tests you did in your TWF? Without that, there is njo signifigant evidence that your theory is valid, although I would not go so far as to say you are wrong. On the contrary, as I said before, this is well worth looking into.

Actually, my friend has one. I'll be at his house soon....

Anyways, you guys ready for these mind blowin' results? In a PTW! No TFW used.

THIS IS PLAIN TESTING NOT MY FORMAT OR ANYTHING:

Conditions:
PTW Stadium
BeyLauncher

Ray Pegasis II D125R2F VS. Earth Eagle 145WD
Ray Pegasis II Win%: 95%
Earth Eagle Win%: 5%

Ray KILLED Earth, murdered would be better. This was amazing. Ray had such a hook, it was able to EASILY push Eagle all 19 times into the Penalty Pockets! AMAZING!

Bottom Line: Hasbro's Ray needs more tests, and I will do them.

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Wow! Nice testing! Is Hasbro's Ray wheel really that good????? In a PTW of all places?????

Wow! Nice testing! Is Hasbro's Ray wheel really that good????? In a PTW of all places?????

Yup. These were just plain testings that I did 10 minutes ago, no one thinks Ray is good. Well I do. Earth Eagle plain is killer in the stadium. If Ray can take it down, we've got something huge in our hands.

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nice tests, but i think tests need to be done vs a defence opponent

but that good in a PTW vs stamina is still very impressive!

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Wow! Nice testing! Is Hasbro's Ray wheel really that good????? In a PTW of all places?????

Yup. These were just plain testings that I did 10 minutes ago, no one thinks Ray is good. Well I do. Earth Eagle plain is killer in the stadium. If Ray can take it down, we've got something huge in our hands.

yes but now that i look at your testing agian, please test something other than Earth Eagle 145WD. make a Earth Bull/Aquario/Gasher + a good 145 height gimmick and a WD tip and then test it

make a Earth Bull/Aquario/Gasher + a good 145 height gimmick and a WD tip and then test it

to add on to that, also test vs dan's combo: MF earth bull CH120WD

it is quite powerful

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Same results on Earth Bull 145WD. Just did VS. MF Earth Bull 145CS:

Ray Aquario D125R2F VS. MF Earth Bull 145CS :
Ray Aquario Win%: 85%
MF E Bull Win%: 15%

Ray Aquario had some great smashes. But the weight distribution was terrible.... I mean terrible. On CS, E Bull was able to have GREAT grip on the Tornado Ridge. Will test in ATK Stadium to prove that the win % rate is only because of the stadium.

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Aquario doesnt weigh as much as Bull, but not by much, and Aquario has better weight distribution than bull does, even though Bull is prefered over Aquario because it weighs slightly more. What leads you to believe this?

Maybe try a 3-sided Clear Wheel like Striker?

Edit - Have anti-metas ever been tried in Hasbro stadiums?

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Sorry in advance if this combo has been tested. Studying for Finals at school and can't spend time reading about results.

If no one minds can someone test...

Burn Bull 145 WD/SD

Tested the combo out myself in Lighting Force Stadium but I can't really tell if my tests are good. It killed my Earth Bull GB145 CS and LLD CH120 (Hasbros (Both heights)(Locking works fine in mine)) RF a majority of the time.

Then SD Vs. WD is a close competition. WD seems to be better against other combinations but i was curious if SD is more viable.

Also is MF viable even if it does lower stamina?


Edit: Yes I know this is considered top tier. But that is in the TT Attack Stadium. This is for Hasbro only battles.

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I leave for 3 months and the Hasbro versions of Takara Tomys original beys? Mayby now I should leave for a year and see if Hasbro realeases a Takara Tomy like stadium. (Or am I dreaming?)