I'll be adding some tests for the thread to help out sice I have a good amount of new parts thanks to my local Toysrus . You guys PM what you want tested and it can ONLY be with the Hasbro parts I have (wasn't able the get the attack version of Destroyer or Poison Zurafa so I can't test the parts that are useful but they are available at my Toysrus and will be bough sometime next month, I have three of the four MLD beys and two LLD Metal Wheels and Clear Wheels from various things I got from loacl stores and Christmas.)

There's still some stuff about stadium limitations in the OP in some sections, as well as the silly "no tt normal metal faces" thing that should have been deleted.

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Sorry I havent been around much lately. I removed the metal faces comment, and added the list of stadiums the tier list will be based on to the OP, however I made sure to bold that all stadiums are allowed. Before I recieve any un-needed backlash on this, I have asked all of you if basing the central tier list on the previously limited stadiums is acceptable. The tiers will generaly apply to all stadiums anyway, and seperate tier lists can be constructed at another time once we have the main Hasbro metagame under control.

As for the tier list itself, it is on its way, although dont expect it to be as grand as a project as it was originaly made out to be. If any of you wish to pm your own personal tier list findings to me, by all means, do so. You will be creditied approprietly. All I have on the list so far are analytical notes on SF, LLD, and Hasbro vs TT notes in general. I plan to start writing about how recoil is effective in these stadiums with attack types next, and then I should really get into all of the different F tips and thier properties, which should take some time, but it will get done.

Is twisted even top tier?

Earth Bull AD145WD vs. Twisted Tempo 145WD
Launches alternated, WDs switched, graffiti den, Hasbro launchers, WDs moderately worn, ALL OS

Twisted Tempo: 3 wins
Earth Bull: 12 wins

0 ties

Ad145 testing tomorrow.

IMO, it is possible that your Earth combo had more stamina, and Stamina>Defense. But if this is one of those Graffiti Den stadiums, then do not be suprised if your tests are abnormal.

EDIT: It is Graffiti Den...not to sound rude, because I do really appreciate all of the effort you are putting in to this, but do you have any stadiums other than these? because drawing conclusions from these "half-pipe" stadiums makes as much sense as an apple growing in a grape vine.

Unless Basalt wasn't making contact, it should still have won, unless it was making abnormal contact with the stadium at some point throughout each battle.

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If I had to guess, Basalt is a big wheel, and Graffiti Den is a rather small...erm..."stadium-like-skater-thingy". Ignoring the strange shape it has for a moment, picture a battle with these 2 beys in SVS. I doubt the results would be any different from what they are here.

Basalt is one of, if not the, smallest wheels in existence.

Basalt should still win in a stamina battle between the two.

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Actually, the relatively flat surface it provides make the beys on d-based tips move more, deeming basalt useless.

Really?

Wow, how bad can you screw up a stadium with no walls so that basalt doesn't win in it...

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Sadly I was stuck with the SV Stadium until last Christmas and the ONLY version of the Maximum Stampede Stadium I was able to get was WITH the craters and I don't have another oher stadiums on that list . Sorry.

You are allowed to test whatever you want now. You may use whatever Hasbro stadium you wish.

MF Meteo L-Drago ED145EWD vs Twisted Kerbecs AD145WD in Maximun Stampede Stadium (With Craters) Five Rounds. Everything Hasbro including launchers. Each round has launch alterations.
Round one L-Drago launched first. L-Drago wins by OS.
Round two Kerbecs is launched first. L-Drago wins by OS.
Round three L-Drago launched first. Kerbecs wins by KO.
Round four Kerbecs launcher first. L-Drago wins by OS.
Round five L-Drago launched first. L-Drago wins by OS.

Twisted Bull AD145WD vs. Earth Virgo AD145WD
WDs lightly worn, WDs switched, Hasbro Launchers, launches alternated, ALL OS, Graffiti Den

Twisted Bull AD145WD: 6/15
Earth Virgo AD145WD: 9/15

1 tie redone

Earth Bull/Aquario/Cancer is now top tier for stamina in Graffiti Den.

MF Meteo L-Drago ED145EWD vs Twisted Kerbecs AD145WD in Maximun Stampede Stadium (With Craters) Five Rounds. Everything Hasbro including launchers. Each round has launch alterations.
Round one L-Drago launched first. L-Drago wins by OS.
Round two Kerbecs is launched first. L-Drago wins by OS.
Round three L-Drago launched first. Kerbecs wins by KO.
Round four Kerbecs launcher first. L-Drago wins by OS.
Round five L-Drago launched first. L-Drago wins by OS.

what was the condition of the tips, and please do more then 5 rounds for testing purposes. I cant imagine twisted losing by outspin that much lol. those craters must be messing with its results heavily. also what launchers did you use?

Meteo L-Drago 90WF VS Twisted Kerbecs BD145CS
equipment used: Beylauncher L/R Burning Firestrike Stadium
MLD-Weak Launch
CS-Semi Aggro
7 Draws Redone

MLD-18/20 all OS
Twisted 2/20
MLD win percent 90%
remember that this combo is successful due to spin steal so this combo is also risky

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I would appreciate it if you would stop making comments like that Kbuno. Someone else needs to validate your tests before something so blunt can be declared. Otherwise people will begin to say incorrect things. I do not doubt your tests, but please understand my standpoint Kbuno.

For once I must agree with you LTXIII - you need a bit more testing done before you can say something like that.
In addition, CW's are all different. If you slap an Aquario on Vulcan, that's for sure not top tier, as Aquario blocks the contact points.
If you were to categorize them it should be something similar to this:
Graffiti Den:
CW's:
ATK:
DEF:
STAM:
ect.

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How do I still have 17th most posts here...?

MF Meteo L-Drago ED145EWD vs Twisted Kerbecs AD145WD in Maximun Stampede Stadium (With Craters) Five Rounds. Everything Hasbro including launchers. Each round has launch alterations.
Round one L-Drago launched first. L-Drago wins by OS.
Round two Kerbecs is launched first. L-Drago wins by OS.
Round three L-Drago launched first. Kerbecs wins by KO.
Round four Kerbecs launcher first. L-Drago wins by OS.
Round five L-Drago launched first. L-Drago wins by OS.

what was the condition of the tips, and please do more then 5 rounds for testing purposes. I cant imagine twisted losing by outspin that much lol. those craters must be messing with its results heavily. also what launchers did you use?

Well I was surprised that even though my EWD was worn from constantly getting KOed during my five-way Maximum series battle (I was trying to take a picture of all five of them in a battle with my new DSi, not easy) and I was using my Flame Byxis WD that I got from the Starbreaker Team Pack (same way I got EWD) and it wasn't worn at all it's surprised me. I'll do the retesting when I buy the single pack Befall along with Destroyer attack version and Poison Zurafa on Saturday March 3rd (aka eight days from now) and retest it and I'll do the regulation ten/twenty round test after I get back (heck I might even have more beys then just them on the third) .

Rai: We have colaborated in the past. I believe when this thread was 1st made, and a bit before that too. You only recently have harbored ill feeling towards me due to the crazyness that errupted here a few pages back...all of us were at fault then. I do hope we can re-establish some form of acceptance for one another, for the benifit of the thread, and for a healthier atmoshpere on the site as well. =D

@Kbuno: Do you have anything besides Graffiti Den? And if you do, could I ask a favor? Not only try to test in other stadiums more often, but could you post size comparison picks between that and another Hasbro stadium? If you dont have another stadium, maybe a picture of the Graffiti Den with a coin or hand inside of it? Only if you are willing of course. Dont feel obligated.

Here's a comparison :

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Thank you for the pics.

Not as bad as I thought. Still, the area inside the Tornado Ridge is ridiculosly small. Does any frequent combat occur on that ramp area outside the TR?

Well, sometimes, when I battle my cousin, we launch on the ramp area making it go insane. Other than that, sometimes they knock each other up the ramp. On a CS tip, it circles the stadium and sometimes hits the other bey. HF/F battles have beys go up the ramp, andrubber attack type tips just fly past the TR and keep on circling on the wall.

Lightning Force L-Drago Stadium


Earth Pegasus AD145WD vs Gravity 90MF Left & Right spin results

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Earth Pegasus AD145WD: 10/20 (all OS) 50% win
Ultimate Gravity Destroyer 90MF Counter Mode Left Spin: 10/20 (3 KO + 7 OS) 50% win

Earth Pegasus AD145WD: 14/20 (all OS) 70% win
Ultimate Gravity Destroyer 90MF Counter Mode Right Spin: 6/20 (all KO) 30% win

Testing Notes: in right spin all of Gravity's losses were by a large margin compared to the slight OS in left spin. I guess I won't bother with right spin with Gravity anymore...

Earth Pegasus AD145WD vs Gravity D125MF

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Earth Pegasus AD145WD: 18/20 (all OS) 90% win
Ultimate Gravity Destroyer D125MF Counter Mode Left Spin: 2/20 (all KO) 10% win

Testing Notes: Wow, that was rather lopsided wasn't it? D125 is not good in my attack combo.

Earth Pegasus AD145WD vs Gravity Attack 90MF

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Earth Pegasus AD145WD: 9/25 (all OS) 36% win
Ultimate Gravity Destroyer Attack 90MF Counter Mode Left Spin: 16/25 (4 KO + 13 OS) 64% win

Testing Notes: Just for kicks I went up to 25 rounds. @ 20 rounds it was still 35% vs 65% so things stayed pretty consistent even with the extra rounds.

Earth Pegasus AD145WD vs Gravity Attack BD145MF

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Earth Pegasus AD145WD: 15/20 (all OS) 75% win
Ultimate Gravity Destroyer Attack BD145MF Counter Mode Left Spin: 4/20 (4 KO + 11 OS) 25% win




Testing notes: FLOOR SCRAPES! Wow, even on MF which is pretty tall. This is 40% loss in wins vs 90 all other hings being equal.

Earth Wolf 105WD vs Gravity Attack 85MF

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Earth Wolf 105WD: 8/20 (all OS) 40% Win
Ultimate Gravity Destroyer Attack 85MF Counter Mode Left Spin: 12/20 (5 KO + 7OS) 60% Win




Testing notes: I tested against an uncustomized Earth Wolf because my son wanted to play against me so I threw 85 on my Gravity combo. I noticed no floor scrapes with 85 but I need to retest against my baseline Earth Pegasus AD145WD combo. Funny thing about this test, if I had stopped at 10 rounds the results would have been completely reversed: Earth Wolf 60% vs Gravity 40%. TEST TO AT LEAST 20!!

Earth Wolf 105WD vs Lightning L-Drago Upper Mode 85MF

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Earth Wolf 105WD: 16/20 (2KO + 14OS) 80% Win
Lightning L-Drago Upper Mode 85MF: 4/20 (2KO + 2OS) 20% Win


Testing notes: I expected a much different result than this. This L-Drago combo is supposed to be top tier in the TT Metagame correct?

Earth Wolf 105WD vs Hades Kerbecs 85MF

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Earth Wolf 105WD: 11/20 (all OS) 55% Win
LHades Kerbecs 85MF: 9/20 (1KO + 8OS) 45% Win


Testing notes: This one was pretty straightforward. So far Gravity is shaping up to be my best attack wheel.

Striker Stadium


Earth Pegasus AD145WD vs Gravity 90MF

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Earth Pegasus AD145WD: 16/20 (2 KO + 14 OS) 80% win
Ultimate Gravity Destroyer Counter Mode Left Spin: 4/20 (1 KO + 3 OS) 20% win

Testing Notes: Striker Stadium does not appear to favor low spin tracks. 90 height Gravity is low enough for the metal wheel to hit the ridge of the pockets that are honestly high enough to keep anyone from getting many KOs. Both of Earth's wins by KOs were self inflicted from Gravity's recoil. I did not find that the flower pattern tornado ridge was helpful in keeping a flower pattern. The "dead spot" in the center often helped sling a stationary Gravity back into a very small attack pattern but by that time energy had been dissipated enough that the hits weren't very effective.

^These are great. Thank you.

Earth Wolf 105WD isnt a terrible bey uncustomized. It is actualy one of the better low height defense-stamina combos in my opinion. Next time just slap a better CW on there. Eagle, Virgo, Aquario, Bull or Cancer are all better than Wolf for Earth. Virgo and Eagle were designed for Earth, and resonate well with it. Aquario an dBull are some of the heaviest wheels, and if you dont have either of them, Cancer/Gasher is a great substitute.

Flame Leone AD145WD VS Gravity Perseus WD145R2F (counter mode, right spin)

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Equipment: Hasbro Rev-Up launcher
G Perseus banked. R2F prime state.
I gave one hard pull for each.
Stadium:
Dragon's Den
Aim: To see if G Perseus is decent. To see if F Leone is Top Tier stamina.


F Leone:
10/20 os
1/20 KO

Flame Leone win rate 55%
G Perseus:
2/20 OS
7/20 KO


Gravity Perseus win rate 45%

Notes: I actually chose the Leone CW because of its weight distribution. Flame is actually quite decent as the weight is focused on the outside( as you all know ). It isn't too heavy, and because of the walls on the Hasbro stadiums, bouncing off the walls helped keep F Leone stay in there. I would like to see Cetus on Flame as they are both symmetrical and it looks as though that they might have good synergy.

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MF Gravity Destroyer CH120HF ( Left Spin Counter CH120 Mode) vs. Earth Bull AD145WD
Hasbro launchers, Earth launched first, All OS, Graffiti Den

Gravity Destroyer CH120HF : 5/15
Earth Bull AD145WD : 10/15

3 Ties
Should I take off the metal face? It reduces stamina and makes the bey slower, and Gravity already has its weight.