Hey guys! This is my first testing thread. I looked around at some other testing threads, and attempted to make this OP as accurate and convenient as possible. Hope you like it!

This combo is made for pure straight-out raw smash. I used 105 because almost all the attack types that have been recently designed are no shorter than 120, giving them considerably less stability than this combo. This combo is NOT designed to work against SP230 or E230 combos. Its low track gives it a more concentrated center of gravity, producing a more stable approach, more smash and less recoil.
This combo can reach over BD145, due to begaridos being on the top and wider than gryph, so Making contact should not be a problem. It can destabilize, KO, and even OS 230/F230 combos.

The launch you should use is a deep-banking full powered sliding shoot. Watch the video to see it.

Overall, this combo is designed to produce as much smash as possible on contact, focusing on consistently KOing top-tier defensive combos. I feel that this combo can actually out-do balro in terms of smash, but I can't be sure since they are so close. It can OS some left-spin combos, due to its low center of gravity, and actually works well at countering other attackers (would counter them much better with R2F, though). I sincerely apologize for not using R2F. I have 5 of them coming in the mail, but they will not come for a while. Hope you like it!

Tests:

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Vs defense:

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Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Reviser BD145CS
RF slightly worn. CS slightly worn, enough so it doesn't go agro.
Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 7/10 (All KO)
Reviser: wins, 3/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 70%


This combo will probably be able to KO more effectively with a better launch and an R2F. This is a big guess, but I think it could probably hit a 90% win rate.

Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs MSF-H Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Slightly worn RF. Barely used RDF. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 15 (10 KO, 5 OS)
Reviser: wins, 5 (2 KO, 3 OS)
Begaridos win rate: 75%

This was CRAZY!! I think I may have just gotten REALLY lucky the first ten rounds, but it actually pulled a better win rate against RDF than it did against CS. Again, probably a LOT of luck the first ten, since reviser probably only got around one wall save every 2 battles. Now, here is why the second half of the test was weird. All begaridos' OSes! It only KOed twice during the second ten!! What happened was, Reviser would get a ridiculous ammount of wall saves, but it was hit so hard anyway that it just lost a ton of spin, and eventually lost by OS. It was real, and very strange... :\
Just note that ALL of those OS wins could've easily been KO if it weren't for the walls. Reviser's 2 KOs were when it got wall saves and begaridos lost from recoil.

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Gryph begaridos 105RF vs Phantom cygnus AD145WD
Slightly worn RF. Beylauncher with segment launcher grip used for both. Cygnus launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (All KO)
Cygnus: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%

Gryph begaridos 105RF vs Phantom Cygnus 230D
Slightly worn RF. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (8 KO, 2 OS)
Cygnus: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%

Begaridos was able to OS twice by destabilizing Cygnus and knocking it off balance. This combo also wobbles a lot, so that may have helped. The combo will most likely not be able to OS at all if RF is switched with R2F.

Vs attack:

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Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Flash Orion D125R2F
Slightly worn RF, VERY worn R2F. (R2F is very worn, but still sometimes slightly faster than RF, with pretty much just as much traction. Probably about equal to an RF.)
beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 6/10 (4 KO, 2 OS)
Orion: wins, 4/10 (2 KO, 2 OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 60%

Again, would counter better with R2F.

Vs E230 and SP230 (just for emphasis):

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Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Reviser E230CS
slightly worn RF. Slightly worn CS, enough so it doesn't go agro. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 1/10 (1 OS)
Reviser: wins, 9/10 (all OS)
Begaridos win rate: 10%

During informal testing, Begaridos has been able to KO E230 a couple times, but only when it is on the very edge, and it kind of rolls out when it is tapped. As you can see, this combo's biggest downfall is E230/SP230.

Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Reviser SP230CS
Slightly worn RF, Worn CS (Not worn to flat, but worn so that the rubber doesn't make it go agro). Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 2/20 (all KO)
Reviser: wins, 18/20 (all OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 10%

Meow was on to something, and i'm sure He could pull this off, but I just couldn't very well.

Vs left spin:

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Gryph begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145CS
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (4KO, 6OS)
Dragooon: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%

I was suprised at this. I had to redo a few when they tied, but for the most part, begaridos OSed Dragooon consitently. This combo had SO MANY WALL SAVES. It was still able to OS every time, but Begaridos could've easily hit at least an 80% win rate without half the wall saves.

Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF
Begaridos: wins, 9/10 (all KO)
Dragooon: wins, 1/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 90%

This combo is a total BEAST at push-out! It doesn't have nearly enough LAD to OS RDF, but it completely trashed Dragooon with push-out! It even KO'ed twice without even pushing, it just slammed into it and BAM! It worked amazing!

Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Dragooon SA165WD
Begaridos: wins, 8/10 (All KO)
Dragooon: wins, 2/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 80%

Dragooon got at least 3 wall saves per battle against Begaridos. Begaridos could slam it out very smoothly.

Cannon said I could do only ten if it was a complete blow-out, and I think this qualifies. I can do more if I need too! This combo seems to be totally boss against left spin. I must confirm that I am NOT LYING. It really did crush all these combos! (I am so exited now!!!)

Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F
Pretty worn RF, Prime R2F (I actually found one on an old galaxy pegasis!!)
Beylauncher with segment grip used for Begaridos, L/R launcher used for Dragooon.
Alternated launching first.
Begaridos: wins, 9/10 (1 KO, 8 OS)
Dragooon: wins, 1/10 (1 KO)
Gryph begaridos 100RF win rate: 90%

This combo still continues to amaze me! The reason it was able to OS so well was because of the short track. It OS'ed almost every time, but barely. It tied quite a few times. It's low center of gravity allowed it to completely stop Dragooon in its tracks! After that, it just settled down to OS it. Dragooon's one KO was completely luck. Begaridos tornado stalled, and then Dragooon barely tapped it out from the inside. I can't believe it was actually able to counter Wyvang Dragooon!

Vs anti-attack:

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Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Diablo aquario BD145RF
Both RFs pretty worn. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Alternated launching first.
Begaridos: wins, 11/20 (2 KO, 9 OS)
Aquario: wins, 9/20 (2 KO, 7 OS)
Gryph begaridos 100RF win rate: 55%

This was very close. Any element could've changed it in favor of Aquario. Even though Begaridos technically beat it, this has proved to be the most effective counter I can come up with. Aquario won because of its light weight, providing higher speed and slightly more stamina. Begaridos still OS'ed it by just slamming it so hard that it ran out of spin, but it was usually able to survive by out-running Begaridos. I don't think synchrom anti-attack would work well against this combo, since it would have less stamina, and much lower speed.

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Interesting. I don't know how much value this would hold in a competitive situation, however, because of E230. BD145 results are great though.

Could you do ten more rounds for the defense stuff too? It is considered mandatory.

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This seems like an average nice attack combo for Begirados, and Gryph. But could I ask you use a better defensive tip, CS is great and all but it's really not the best of defense anymore and the other tips are better for defense out of all the Top Tier Defense tips I think CS was the worst defender, and yours is kinda agro, I would like to see if this could handle the same vs RB, RSF stuff, RDF and RS might be able to survive but I think it might get OS but I would apreciate some tests to see if it can take out some slightly more center based defense type. Sorry if I worded some things wrong. Very nice thread though the video is a great showing of it.

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Allright, I'll do some more tomorrow!

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Have you tried SP230? You might actually be surprised on how much of a difference there is defense-wise between it and E230. Your combo is on a low track so I'm sure it will be able to make spike contact.

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Gryph begaridos 100RF vs Phantom Cygnus 230
Slightly worn RF. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (8 KO, 2 OS)
Cygnus: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%

230 with what tip? Also test against some more attack combos.

Allright guys, I did some more tests, and I think you'll be amazed!

Gryph Begaridos 100RF vs Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Slightly worn RF. Barely used RDF. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 8 (All KO)
Reviser: wins, 2 (All OS)
Begaridos win rate: 80%

Alright, this was totally crazy! I think I may have just gotten REALLY lucky, or maybe my launch was in better shape today, but it was KOing reviser all over the place! It actually pulled a better win rate than it did against CS! Again, this may have been due to EXTREME luck, since reviser only got 5 or 6 wall saves for the entire 10 rounds of testing.

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Answer the above question.

Also, stop doing 10 round-results. The bare minimum is 20.

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Answer the above question.

Also, stop doing 10 round-results. The bare minimum is 20.

Really? Because most of the tests you did in your Girago, Pegasis, F230, and Bahamdia threads are only ten. I used D on Cygnus, sorry about that!

Alright, I tried what Meow! suggested against SP230, and Begaridos made spike contact a couple times, but not much (even when I tried it with 85). I'll do 20 rounds this time for Cannon.

Gryph Begaridos 100RF vs Reviser Reviser SP230CS
Slightly worn RF, Worn CS (Not worn to flat, but worn so that the rubber doesn't make it go agro). Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 2/20 (all KO)
Reviser: wins, 18/20 (all OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 10%

Meow was on to something, and i'm sure He could pull this off, but I just couldn't very well.

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Only a few were 10 rounds. I only did that many rounds because the results were distinct to which one would win.

Your win-lose ratio and winner can't be determined properly. 10 rounds should only be done if it were, for example 9:1, and the one win was by a lucky KO.

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Only a few were 10 rounds. I only did that many rounds because the results were distinct to which one would win.

Your win-lose ratio and winner can't be determined properly. 10 rounds should only be done if it were, for example 9:1, and the one win was by a lucky KO.

Ohhh... Would 8 to 2 be distinct enough to only do 10? I'll do 20 rounds from now on. Thanks for the correction Cannon!

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This might not be intentional, but can we please stop with the elitist attitude?

theblackdragon has been actively trying to contribute, and he even posted a video. While I'm not saying that his format was necessarily correct, he is still a newer member and I strongly believe that it doesn't warrant the curt replies that I've been seeing from certain members in this thread. Just because someone has been a member on the forum for a long time does not give them the right to talk like that. I'd hope you learnt your manners as a child, all I ask is that you use them.

Anyway, theblackdragon, this seems like a very solid attack combo against the BD145 combo. Your video shows some definite results as well. I recommend that you create spoilers and add new results to your OP as more matchups by you and other members are posted.

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Can R2F be a substitute for RF in this combo? Could you test it out?

EDIT: read the first post, as soon as you get R2F in the mail, test it out please?

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This might not be intentional, but can we please stop with the elitist attitude?

theblackdragon has been actively trying to contribute, and he even posted a video. While I'm not saying that his format was necessarily correct, he is still a newer member and I strongly believe that it doesn't warrant the curt replies that I've been seeing from certain members in this thread. Just because someone has been a member on the forum for a long time does not give them the right to talk like that. I'd hope you learnt your manners as a child, all I ask is that you use them.

Anyway, theblackdragon, this seems like a very solid attack combo against the BD145 combo. Your video shows some definite results as well. I recommend that you create spoilers and add new results to your OP as more matchups by you and other members are posted.

Oh, I am. I have added 3 new tests since I made the OP, but I am leaving them in the regular posts so that people can follow them easier.

Also, I don't think that anyone was trying to be rude, they were just correcting me. And it's a good thing they did, because I was gonna do a bunch more tests with only ten rounds!

Thanks for the feedback!

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Can R2F be a substitute for RF in this combo? Could you test it out?

Yes, I believe it can. I just wore out my last R2F, so I can't test it with a good one, but I think it will still be very effective, probably actually much better in terms of smash. However, it will not be able to OS anything probably, so destabilizing and OSing 230/F230 will be much harder. So, all in all, yes.

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Now I know nothing about Gryph or Begaridos, but I'm interested to see how it fares against left-spinning combos. Do you mind testing that, theblackdragon? Thanks.

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Now I know nothing about Gryph or Begaridos, but I'm interested to see how it fares against left-spinning combos. Do you mind testing that, theblackdragon? Thanks.

I did not really design it to do well against opposite-spin, but I'll test it.

tests:

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Gryph begaridos 100RF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145CS
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (4KO, 6OS)
Dragooon: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%

I was suprised at this. I had to redo a few when they tied, but for the most part, begaridos OSed Dragooon consitently. This combo had SO MANY WALL SAVES. It was still able to OS every time, but Begaridos could've easily hit at least an 80% win rate without half the wall saves.

Gryph Begaridos 100RF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF
Begaridos: wins, 9/10 (all KO)
Dragooon: wins, 1/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 90%

This combo is a total BEAST at push-out! It doesn't have nearly enough LAD to OS RDF, but it completely trashed Dragooon with push-out! It even KO'ed twice without even pushing, it just slammed into it and BAM! It worked amazing!

Gryph Begaridos 100RF vs Reviser Dragooon SA165WD
Begaridos: wins, 8/10 (All KO)
Dragooon: wins, 2/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 80%

Dragooon got at least 3 wall saves per battle against Begaridos. Begaridos could slam it out very smoothly.

Cannon said that I didn't have to do more than 10 if it was a total blow-out, and I think this qualifies, but I can do more if it doesn't. This combo completely rocks against left-spin!
I did not expect it, but it completely slammed them all!

I must confirm that I am NOT LYING. It really did crush all these combos! (I'm so exited now!!)

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Has anyone tried this with CH120 R2F yet?

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How does it do against anti-attackers? Could you test against Diablo ____RF/R2F? Great combo, btw.

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Has anyone tried this with CH120 R2F yet?

I have, except it was with RF, it works fairly well

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Meow! and I have both tried Begaridos on CH120, and it isn't nearly as effective. I don't know why it doesn't work as well, but it just can't KO as consistently.

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How does it do against anti-attackers? Could you test against Diablo ____RF/R2F? Great combo, btw.

I don't know. I may do some tests tomorrow, but I'll bet it won't work very well, since anti-attack is built to take on this kind of combo.

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Could you test it against Duo _______ 230MB? I want to see how it will do against it.

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How about against MF-H Lightning L-Drago CH120R2F?

How about against MF-H Lightning L-Drago CH120R2F?

That combo is incredibly outdated.

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How about against MF-H Lightning L-Drago CH120R2F?

That combo weighs like half as much as Bregirados. It would get completely violated. If it were to fight a Left Attacker, it should by Dragooon or Variares.

Sorry guys, I have a duo coming, but it won't be here for a few weeks, and my Lightning L-drago is broken.
I know this is a top-tier part, but I just haven't been able to get it yet. Sorry.
I'm sure someone else could test with duo_230MB. I think this combo may be able to KO it, or even destabilize or OS it. Not sure though. Sorry.

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