Apr. 13, 2013 2:38 AM
Hey guys! This is my first testing thread. I looked around at some other testing threads, and attempted to make this OP as accurate and convenient as possible. Hope you like it!
This combo is made for pure straight-out raw smash. I used 105 because almost all the attack types that have been recently designed are no shorter than 120, giving them considerably less stability than this combo. This combo is NOT designed to work against SP230 or E230 combos. Its low track gives it a more concentrated center of gravity, producing a more stable approach, more smash and less recoil.
This combo can reach over BD145, due to begaridos being on the top and wider than gryph, so Making contact should not be a problem. It can destabilize, KO, and even OS 230/F230 combos.
The launch you should use is a deep-banking full powered sliding shoot. Watch the video to see it.
Overall, this combo is designed to produce as much smash as possible on contact, focusing on consistently KOing top-tier defensive combos. I feel that this combo can actually out-do balro in terms of smash, but I can't be sure since they are so close. It can OS some left-spin combos, due to its low center of gravity, and actually works well at countering other attackers (would counter them much better with R2F, though). I sincerely apologize for not using R2F. I have 5 of them coming in the mail, but they will not come for a while. Hope you like it!
Tests:
Vs defense:
Vs stamina:
Vs attack:
Vs E230 and SP230 (just for emphasis):
Vs left spin:
Gryph begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145CS
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (4KO, 6OS)
Dragooon: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%
I was suprised at this. I had to redo a few when they tied, but for the most part, begaridos OSed Dragooon consitently. This combo had SO MANY WALL SAVES. It was still able to OS every time, but Begaridos could've easily hit at least an 80% win rate without half the wall saves.
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF
Begaridos: wins, 9/10 (all KO)
Dragooon: wins, 1/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 90%
This combo is a total BEAST at push-out! It doesn't have nearly enough LAD to OS RDF, but it completely trashed Dragooon with push-out! It even KO'ed twice without even pushing, it just slammed into it and BAM! It worked amazing!
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Dragooon SA165WD
Begaridos: wins, 8/10 (All KO)
Dragooon: wins, 2/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 80%
Dragooon got at least 3 wall saves per battle against Begaridos. Begaridos could slam it out very smoothly.
Cannon said I could do only ten if it was a complete blow-out, and I think this qualifies. I can do more if I need too! This combo seems to be totally boss against left spin. I must confirm that I am NOT LYING. It really did crush all these combos! (I am so exited now!!!)
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F
Pretty worn RF, Prime R2F (I actually found one on an old galaxy pegasis!!)
Beylauncher with segment grip used for Begaridos, L/R launcher used for Dragooon.
Alternated launching first.
Begaridos: wins, 9/10 (1 KO, 8 OS)
Dragooon: wins, 1/10 (1 KO)
Gryph begaridos 100RF win rate: 90%
This combo still continues to amaze me! The reason it was able to OS so well was because of the short track. It OS'ed almost every time, but barely. It tied quite a few times. It's low center of gravity allowed it to completely stop Dragooon in its tracks! After that, it just settled down to OS it. Dragooon's one KO was completely luck. Begaridos tornado stalled, and then Dragooon barely tapped it out from the inside. I can't believe it was actually able to counter Wyvang Dragooon!
Vs anti-attack:
This combo is made for pure straight-out raw smash. I used 105 because almost all the attack types that have been recently designed are no shorter than 120, giving them considerably less stability than this combo. This combo is NOT designed to work against SP230 or E230 combos. Its low track gives it a more concentrated center of gravity, producing a more stable approach, more smash and less recoil.
This combo can reach over BD145, due to begaridos being on the top and wider than gryph, so Making contact should not be a problem. It can destabilize, KO, and even OS 230/F230 combos.
The launch you should use is a deep-banking full powered sliding shoot. Watch the video to see it.
Overall, this combo is designed to produce as much smash as possible on contact, focusing on consistently KOing top-tier defensive combos. I feel that this combo can actually out-do balro in terms of smash, but I can't be sure since they are so close. It can OS some left-spin combos, due to its low center of gravity, and actually works well at countering other attackers (would counter them much better with R2F, though). I sincerely apologize for not using R2F. I have 5 of them coming in the mail, but they will not come for a while. Hope you like it!
Tests:
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Vs defense:
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Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Reviser BD145CS
RF slightly worn. CS slightly worn, enough so it doesn't go agro.
Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 7/10 (All KO)
Reviser: wins, 3/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 70%
This combo will probably be able to KO more effectively with a better launch and an R2F. This is a big guess, but I think it could probably hit a 90% win rate.
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs MSF-H Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Slightly worn RF. Barely used RDF. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 15 (10 KO, 5 OS)
Reviser: wins, 5 (2 KO, 3 OS)
Begaridos win rate: 75%
This was CRAZY!! I think I may have just gotten REALLY lucky the first ten rounds, but it actually pulled a better win rate against RDF than it did against CS. Again, probably a LOT of luck the first ten, since reviser probably only got around one wall save every 2 battles. Now, here is why the second half of the test was weird. All begaridos' OSes! It only KOed twice during the second ten!! What happened was, Reviser would get a ridiculous ammount of wall saves, but it was hit so hard anyway that it just lost a ton of spin, and eventually lost by OS. It was real, and very strange... :\
Just note that ALL of those OS wins could've easily been KO if it weren't for the walls. Reviser's 2 KOs were when it got wall saves and begaridos lost from recoil.
RF slightly worn. CS slightly worn, enough so it doesn't go agro.
Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 7/10 (All KO)
Reviser: wins, 3/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 70%
This combo will probably be able to KO more effectively with a better launch and an R2F. This is a big guess, but I think it could probably hit a 90% win rate.
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs MSF-H Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Slightly worn RF. Barely used RDF. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 15 (10 KO, 5 OS)
Reviser: wins, 5 (2 KO, 3 OS)
Begaridos win rate: 75%
This was CRAZY!! I think I may have just gotten REALLY lucky the first ten rounds, but it actually pulled a better win rate against RDF than it did against CS. Again, probably a LOT of luck the first ten, since reviser probably only got around one wall save every 2 battles. Now, here is why the second half of the test was weird. All begaridos' OSes! It only KOed twice during the second ten!! What happened was, Reviser would get a ridiculous ammount of wall saves, but it was hit so hard anyway that it just lost a ton of spin, and eventually lost by OS. It was real, and very strange... :\
Just note that ALL of those OS wins could've easily been KO if it weren't for the walls. Reviser's 2 KOs were when it got wall saves and begaridos lost from recoil.
Vs stamina:
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Gryph begaridos 105RF vs Phantom cygnus AD145WD
Slightly worn RF. Beylauncher with segment launcher grip used for both. Cygnus launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (All KO)
Cygnus: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%
Gryph begaridos 105RF vs Phantom Cygnus 230D
Slightly worn RF. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (8 KO, 2 OS)
Cygnus: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%
Begaridos was able to OS twice by destabilizing Cygnus and knocking it off balance. This combo also wobbles a lot, so that may have helped. The combo will most likely not be able to OS at all if RF is switched with R2F.
Slightly worn RF. Beylauncher with segment launcher grip used for both. Cygnus launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (All KO)
Cygnus: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%
Gryph begaridos 105RF vs Phantom Cygnus 230D
Slightly worn RF. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (8 KO, 2 OS)
Cygnus: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%
Begaridos was able to OS twice by destabilizing Cygnus and knocking it off balance. This combo also wobbles a lot, so that may have helped. The combo will most likely not be able to OS at all if RF is switched with R2F.
Vs attack:
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Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Flash Orion D125R2F
Slightly worn RF, VERY worn R2F. (R2F is very worn, but still sometimes slightly faster than RF, with pretty much just as much traction. Probably about equal to an RF.)
beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 6/10 (4 KO, 2 OS)
Orion: wins, 4/10 (2 KO, 2 OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 60%
Again, would counter better with R2F.
Slightly worn RF, VERY worn R2F. (R2F is very worn, but still sometimes slightly faster than RF, with pretty much just as much traction. Probably about equal to an RF.)
beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 6/10 (4 KO, 2 OS)
Orion: wins, 4/10 (2 KO, 2 OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 60%
Again, would counter better with R2F.
Vs E230 and SP230 (just for emphasis):
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Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Reviser E230CS
slightly worn RF. Slightly worn CS, enough so it doesn't go agro. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 1/10 (1 OS)
Reviser: wins, 9/10 (all OS)
Begaridos win rate: 10%
During informal testing, Begaridos has been able to KO E230 a couple times, but only when it is on the very edge, and it kind of rolls out when it is tapped. As you can see, this combo's biggest downfall is E230/SP230.
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Reviser SP230CS
Slightly worn RF, Worn CS (Not worn to flat, but worn so that the rubber doesn't make it go agro). Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 2/20 (all KO)
Reviser: wins, 18/20 (all OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 10%
Meow was on to something, and i'm sure He could pull this off, but I just couldn't very well.
slightly worn RF. Slightly worn CS, enough so it doesn't go agro. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both.
Begaridos: wins, 1/10 (1 OS)
Reviser: wins, 9/10 (all OS)
Begaridos win rate: 10%
During informal testing, Begaridos has been able to KO E230 a couple times, but only when it is on the very edge, and it kind of rolls out when it is tapped. As you can see, this combo's biggest downfall is E230/SP230.
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Reviser SP230CS
Slightly worn RF, Worn CS (Not worn to flat, but worn so that the rubber doesn't make it go agro). Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Begaridos: wins, 2/20 (all KO)
Reviser: wins, 18/20 (all OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 10%
Meow was on to something, and i'm sure He could pull this off, but I just couldn't very well.
Vs left spin:
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Gryph begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145CS
Begaridos: wins, 10/10 (4KO, 6OS)
Dragooon: wins, 0/10
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 100%
I was suprised at this. I had to redo a few when they tied, but for the most part, begaridos OSed Dragooon consitently. This combo had SO MANY WALL SAVES. It was still able to OS every time, but Begaridos could've easily hit at least an 80% win rate without half the wall saves.
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF
Begaridos: wins, 9/10 (all KO)
Dragooon: wins, 1/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 90%
This combo is a total BEAST at push-out! It doesn't have nearly enough LAD to OS RDF, but it completely trashed Dragooon with push-out! It even KO'ed twice without even pushing, it just slammed into it and BAM! It worked amazing!
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Reviser Dragooon SA165WD
Begaridos: wins, 8/10 (All KO)
Dragooon: wins, 2/10 (All OS)
Gryph Begaridos 100RF win rate: 80%
Dragooon got at least 3 wall saves per battle against Begaridos. Begaridos could slam it out very smoothly.
Cannon said I could do only ten if it was a complete blow-out, and I think this qualifies. I can do more if I need too! This combo seems to be totally boss against left spin. I must confirm that I am NOT LYING. It really did crush all these combos! (I am so exited now!!!)
Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F
Pretty worn RF, Prime R2F (I actually found one on an old galaxy pegasis!!)
Beylauncher with segment grip used for Begaridos, L/R launcher used for Dragooon.
Alternated launching first.
Begaridos: wins, 9/10 (1 KO, 8 OS)
Dragooon: wins, 1/10 (1 KO)
Gryph begaridos 100RF win rate: 90%
This combo still continues to amaze me! The reason it was able to OS so well was because of the short track. It OS'ed almost every time, but barely. It tied quite a few times. It's low center of gravity allowed it to completely stop Dragooon in its tracks! After that, it just settled down to OS it. Dragooon's one KO was completely luck. Begaridos tornado stalled, and then Dragooon barely tapped it out from the inside. I can't believe it was actually able to counter Wyvang Dragooon!
Vs anti-attack:
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Gryph Begaridos 105RF vs Diablo aquario BD145RF
Both RFs pretty worn. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Alternated launching first.
Begaridos: wins, 11/20 (2 KO, 9 OS)
Aquario: wins, 9/20 (2 KO, 7 OS)
Gryph begaridos 100RF win rate: 55%
This was very close. Any element could've changed it in favor of Aquario. Even though Begaridos technically beat it, this has proved to be the most effective counter I can come up with. Aquario won because of its light weight, providing higher speed and slightly more stamina. Begaridos still OS'ed it by just slamming it so hard that it ran out of spin, but it was usually able to survive by out-running Begaridos. I don't think synchrom anti-attack would work well against this combo, since it would have less stamina, and much lower speed.
Both RFs pretty worn. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Alternated launching first.
Begaridos: wins, 11/20 (2 KO, 9 OS)
Aquario: wins, 9/20 (2 KO, 7 OS)
Gryph begaridos 100RF win rate: 55%
This was very close. Any element could've changed it in favor of Aquario. Even though Begaridos technically beat it, this has proved to be the most effective counter I can come up with. Aquario won because of its light weight, providing higher speed and slightly more stamina. Begaridos still OS'ed it by just slamming it so hard that it ran out of spin, but it was usually able to survive by out-running Begaridos. I don't think synchrom anti-attack would work well against this combo, since it would have less stamina, and much lower speed.