Really surprised Chaos Gravity Zephyr could outspin Dark Deathscyther Heavy Defense. Was your D2HD properly balanced? By that, I mean did it vibrate or wobble erratically when launched, or was it very stable?
General Burst Combo Discussion
(Oct. 25, 2016 7:14 PM)Kei Wrote: Really surprised Chaos Gravity Zephyr could outspin Dark Deathscyther Heavy Defense. Was your D2HD properly balanced? By that, I mean did it vibrate or wobble erratically when launched, or was it very stable?it was very stable, and stayed in the centre without wobbling.
are there supposed to some unbalanced D2 layers?
edit: forgot to point out in the original post, that it was the original Chaos, that i used.
(Oct. 25, 2016 7:44 PM)Kei Wrote:i'll try out D2 from the new random booster collection, to see if results vary.(Oct. 25, 2016 7:24 PM)NEET no Kami Wrote: are there supposed to some unbalanced D2 layers?
Just in general Burst Beyblades can be unbalanced depending on the orientation of the Layer, Disk, and Driver which can affect their Stamina significantly.
I'll give CGZ a try sometime!
keep in mind, if these two make contact at full speed, it usually results in double bursts, all parts fly everywhere.
Hey guys I'm new to the wbo but my birthday is coming up and I happen to be getting hasbro so beyblade burst into thought of a defensive combo as my partner.However I'm not really fond of hasbro terminology but here it is Odax Central press I was just wondering if this would be a pretty good combo thx.
(Oct. 28, 2016 5:07 PM)Bladerprince905 Wrote: Hey guys I'm new to the wbo but my birthday is coming up and I happen to be getting hasbro so beyblade burst into thought of a defensive combo as my partner.However I'm not really fond of hasbro terminology but here it is Odax Central press I was just wondering if this would be a pretty good combo thx.
Odin (TAKARA-TOMY) Heavy Defense was top tier, and Odax Central Press is close, but probably wouldn't be that great. Odax, the Hasbro Odin, is significantly worse from what others have found.
Thx I guess I will just get the hasbro version of valkryie wing accel then.
Was testing Quad Quetzalcoatl and Jerk a bit yesterday. Q2 is bad for Stamina as you might have expected, but it seems like it actually has some Attack potential. I was able to burst D2SD quite a few times with Q2HX, and it was doing fine against Deathscyther too.
It also seems to have pretty good Burst Defense when paired with Jerk–likely due to Jerk's ability to absorb hits–but it seemed really easy to KO on Revolve, Yielding, Defense, etc. The main issue is that Jerk's Stamina is really terrible, so it isn't advisable to try weak launching, which means you also can't really think about using something like Bite that might help mitigate the ease of KOing it on a plastic-tipped Driver. Worth noting that my heaviest Jerk is also only 19.58g. At this point, I think Jerk is still interesting and want to play around with it more, but I'd only use it against Xtreme combos for fear of being outspun by anything else.
Just some early impressions ... I could be wrong on some things. Need to do more testing!
It also seems to have pretty good Burst Defense when paired with Jerk–likely due to Jerk's ability to absorb hits–but it seemed really easy to KO on Revolve, Yielding, Defense, etc. The main issue is that Jerk's Stamina is really terrible, so it isn't advisable to try weak launching, which means you also can't really think about using something like Bite that might help mitigate the ease of KOing it on a plastic-tipped Driver. Worth noting that my heaviest Jerk is also only 19.58g. At this point, I think Jerk is still interesting and want to play around with it more, but I'd only use it against Xtreme combos for fear of being outspun by anything else.
Just some early impressions ... I could be wrong on some things. Need to do more testing!
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(Nov. 07, 2016 8:14 PM)Kei Wrote: Was testing Quad Quetzalcoatl and Jerk a bit yesterday. Q2 is bad for Stamina as you might have expected, but it seems like it actually has some Attack potential. I was able to burst D2SD quite a few times with Q2HX, and it was doing fine against Deathscyther too.
It also seems to have pretty good Burst Defense when paired with Jerk–likely due to Jerk's ability to absorb hits–but it seemed really easy to KO on Revolve, Yielding, Defense, etc. The main issue is that Jerk's Stamina is really terrible, so it isn't advisable to try weak launching, which means you also can't really think about using something like Bite that might help mitigate the ease of KOing it on a plastic-tipped Driver. Worth noting that my heaviest Jerk is also only 19.58g. At this point, I think Jerk is still interesting and want to play around with it more, but I'd only use it against Xtreme combos for fear of being outspun by anything else.
Just some early impressions ... I could be wrong on some things. Need to do more testing!
@[Kei], thank you for posting your observations, especially on two parts hah. I really appreciate it. Could you test Quad Quetzalcoatl against Odin and Wyvern too?
Too bad about Jerk. Hopefully Polish is an entirely different story.
Has anyone gotten to test Beast Behemoth's layer yet?
Z2 came through the mail and i've been testing some combos i've been blown away by Odin Infinity Orbit, it has nice mobility good momentum and good stamina overall, pretty unexpected since i had low hopes towards Z2 pieces
Did a little bit of testing with Inferno Ifrit over this past week. I've been generally unimpressed with it so far; it hits surprisingly weakly in comparison to something like Valkyrie. The difference was night and day when I tested I2 on Xtreme against WHR versus Valkyrie on Xtreme against WHR; Valkyrie had so much more Smash Attack and knocked back Wyvern noticeably more than I2. Of course, it could also be the case that it is just better at bursting opponents than KOing them, so I still want to play with it more!
I was even more unimpressed with Psychic Phantom however; it seems to burst very easily against anything aggressive ... I can't see it being useful at this point.
Polish might be OK, but I worry that it being so wide actually causes it to lose balance more quickly. It's able to rotate after having fallen over, but I don't think it being plastic helps since it has more friction than metal would with the stadium floor and because it is so wide, it starts touching the floor sooner. It would have been cool if the plastic of Polish was POM like Yielding so that it could maybe rotate for longer after falling over with the lowered amount of friction. Right now I'm curious to know if using Polish grants the user any defensive upside and if that is the case, if something like DPR would still beat D2SD and WHR with some consistency.
I was even more unimpressed with Psychic Phantom however; it seems to burst very easily against anything aggressive ... I can't see it being useful at this point.
Polish might be OK, but I worry that it being so wide actually causes it to lose balance more quickly. It's able to rotate after having fallen over, but I don't think it being plastic helps since it has more friction than metal would with the stadium floor and because it is so wide, it starts touching the floor sooner. It would have been cool if the plastic of Polish was POM like Yielding so that it could maybe rotate for longer after falling over with the lowered amount of friction. Right now I'm curious to know if using Polish grants the user any defensive upside and if that is the case, if something like DPR would still beat D2SD and WHR with some consistency.
Did anyone tried Minoboros on Needle or Orbit?
I heard it has really powerful recoil and i seen it did pretty well even on accel against XFX and In 1234bb's video it completely dominated Valky too.
I thought if we put it on a semi-aggressive driver whvih can be both stationary and mobile so it can keep making contact and use its recoil to drain opponent's stamina or burst em. When launched aggressively it can maybe dodge/block/counter attacks from attack types. Due to its string teeth it can survive other attacker and burst them with its recoil and as needle and orbit are made of plastic. They can give good burst defence (less friction) while still providing enough recoil control (compared to something like claw or survive or revolve)
Edit:- did anyone tried Weight or Press? Not on Minoboros but in general. They look quite interesting to me lol and haven't seen any test around for em
I heard it has really powerful recoil and i seen it did pretty well even on accel against XFX and In 1234bb's video it completely dominated Valky too.
I thought if we put it on a semi-aggressive driver whvih can be both stationary and mobile so it can keep making contact and use its recoil to drain opponent's stamina or burst em. When launched aggressively it can maybe dodge/block/counter attacks from attack types. Due to its string teeth it can survive other attacker and burst them with its recoil and as needle and orbit are made of plastic. They can give good burst defence (less friction) while still providing enough recoil control (compared to something like claw or survive or revolve)
Edit:- did anyone tried Weight or Press? Not on Minoboros but in general. They look quite interesting to me lol and haven't seen any test around for em
Press is neat, but from what I've seen, it's really a second-rate Defense. It has too little stamina to do much. I haven't really seen much about Weight. And I think Minoborus does good on Zephyr
I know Minoboros has seen some popularity in Toronto, which has made me really want to test it ... but I haven't played Beyblade alone in two months since I've been working on the site :'D But I would be surprised if it would be better on a non-aggressive Driver. I definitely don't have faith in Press lol
I tried Minoboros a while back on Orbit and did find some success against Dark Deathscyther, but it was somewhat inconsistent. I do want to test it more on a semi-aggressive Driver like Orbit, but I do believe it's more consistent on Zephyr (which is evidenced by the recent popularity of MKZ in Toronto). But yeah, in addition to its teeth, part of what makes Minoboros so great is the level of Stamina it has; I don't think there is another Attack type out there that has better Stamina than it (I find Z2 to have pretty good Stamina, but it also does best on Xtreme in my tests, so that means it will lose to anything on Zephyr unless you can Tornado Stall with Xtreme perfectly and get lucky), so it always carries that advantage into Attack vs. Attack battles which is what allows it to take care of things like Valkyrie. It completely wrecks D2 on Zephyr because the D2 user either gets bursted by launching hard or gets OSed by light launching.
That being said, Minoboros isn't the answer to everything; in terms of how it does against competitive Layers, it does best against D2 (which I think it part of what allowed it to rise into prominence in Toronto where we were having trouble with finding an Attack type consistent against D2), fine against Odin and Deathscyther (might do better against Odin, but I'm not quite sure yet), but generally gets shut down by Wyvern in my testing so far.
My worry about Minoboros on Drivers like Orbit is that contrary to your hypothesis, @[FIREFIRE CPB], I feel like it becomes easier to pick off for opposing Attack types because it isn't moving as fast (especially if you play MKO vs. MKZ) and also doesn't have an opportunity to get the hard hits a fast-moving Driver like Zephyr allows it to get.
That being said, Minoboros isn't the answer to everything; in terms of how it does against competitive Layers, it does best against D2 (which I think it part of what allowed it to rise into prominence in Toronto where we were having trouble with finding an Attack type consistent against D2), fine against Odin and Deathscyther (might do better against Odin, but I'm not quite sure yet), but generally gets shut down by Wyvern in my testing so far.
My worry about Minoboros on Drivers like Orbit is that contrary to your hypothesis, @[FIREFIRE CPB], I feel like it becomes easier to pick off for opposing Attack types because it isn't moving as fast (especially if you play MKO vs. MKZ) and also doesn't have an opportunity to get the hard hits a fast-moving Driver like Zephyr allows it to get.
(Dec. 18, 2016 5:05 AM)Kei Wrote: I tried Minoboros a while back on Orbit and did find some success against Dark Deathscyther, but it was somewhat inconsistent. I do want to test it more on a semi-aggressive Driver like Orbit, but I do believe it's more consistent on Zephyr (which is evidenced by the recent popularity of MKZ in Toronto). But yeah, in addition to its teeth, part of what makes Minoboros so great is the level of Stamina it has; I don't think there is another Attack type out there that has better Stamina than it (I find Z2 to have pretty good Stamina, but it also does best on Xtreme in my tests, so that means it will lose to anything on Zephyr unless you can Tornado Stall with Xtreme perfectly and get lucky), so it always carries that advantage into Attack vs. Attack battles which is what allows it to take care of things like Valkyrie. It completely wrecks D2 on Zephyr because the D2 user either gets bursted by launching hard or gets OSed by light launching.
That being said, Minoboros isn't the answer to everything; in terms of how it does against competitive Layers, it does best against D2 (which I think it part of what allowed it to rise into prominence in Toronto where we were having trouble with finding an Attack type consistent against D2), fine against Odin and Deathscyther (might do better against Odin, but I'm not quite sure yet), but generally gets shut down by Wyvern in my testing so far.
My worry about Minoboros on Drivers like Orbit is that contrary to your hypothesis, @[FIREFIRE CPB], I feel like it becomes easier to pick off for opposing Attack types because it isn't moving as fast (especially if you play MKO vs. MKZ) and also doesn't have an opportunity to get the hard hits a fast-moving Driver like Zephyr allows it to get.
Thanks for great reply Kei, Brad and Suzuku-X.
Oh seems like Valky is better on stationary stuff. I see. Now I got why Toranto blader were using M_Z at events. I knew about its great attack power but I never thought its stamina! I tried it stock and with extreme (before trading it for some Zero-g) so I never thought of its stamina before. Fortunately I have parts to make MKZ and MKO so will surely give em a try at 29th event.
Sorry for double post but can't find a better thread to discuss this lol
Have anyone tried Jerk Forge Disk? I found it was able to make beys kinda harder to burst. To me it was harder to burst then Armed (not by that much but noticeable).
Have anyone tried Jerk Forge Disk? I found it was able to make beys kinda harder to burst. To me it was harder to burst then Armed (not by that much but noticeable).
Hey all. I picked up some Bey's for my kids for Christmas and now the whole family is hooked. 0.0 I was hoping to get some help on combos? We currently have:
B-41 starter Wild Wyvern .Vertical Orbit
B-46 booster Obelisk Odin Triple Xtreme
B-48 starter Xeno Excalibur Magnum Impact
B-59 starter Zillion Zeus Infinity Weight
B-31 starter Yggdrasil ring gyro
We hopefully will have B-42 Booster Deathscyther Force Jaggy and Beyblade burst B-35 starter storm Spriggan Knuckle Unite.
Any help would be great, thanks!
B-41 starter Wild Wyvern .Vertical Orbit
B-46 booster Obelisk Odin Triple Xtreme
B-48 starter Xeno Excalibur Magnum Impact
B-59 starter Zillion Zeus Infinity Weight
B-31 starter Yggdrasil ring gyro
We hopefully will have B-42 Booster Deathscyther Force Jaggy and Beyblade burst B-35 starter storm Spriggan Knuckle Unite.
Any help would be great, thanks!
(Jan. 08, 2017 3:55 AM)Aazen Wrote: Hey all. I picked up some Bey's for my kids for Christmas and now the whole family is hooked. 0.0 I was hoping to get some help on combos? We currently have:
B-41 starter Wild Wyvern .Vertical Orbit
B-46 booster Obelisk Odin Triple Xtreme
B-48 starter Xeno Excalibur Magnum Impact
B-59 starter Zillion Zeus Infinity Weight
B-31 starter Yggdrasil ring gyro
We hopefully will have B-42 Booster Deathscyther Force Jaggy and Beyblade burst B-35 starter storm Spriggan Knuckle Unite.
Any help would be great, thanks!
Well, this would be more suitable for the Build a Combo thread, but your best combos will be:
Dark Deathsyther Knuckle Orbit
Xeno Xcalibur Triple/Magnum Xtreme
I'd suggest also getting Rising Ragnaruk at one point, Gravity and Revolve pair well with Dark Deathsyther.
(Jan. 08, 2017 3:55 AM)Aazen Wrote: Hey all. I picked up some Bey's for my kids for Christmas and now the whole family is hooked. 0.0 I was hoping to get some help on combos? We currently have:
B-41 starter Wild Wyvern .Vertical Orbit
B-46 booster Obelisk Odin Triple Xtreme
B-48 starter Xeno Excalibur Magnum Impact
B-59 starter Zillion Zeus Infinity Weight
B-31 starter Yggdrasil ring gyro
We hopefully will have B-42 Booster Deathscyther Force Jaggy and Beyblade burst B-35 starter storm Spriggan Knuckle Unite.
Any help would be great, thanks!
Hey Aazen!
Dark DeathScyther is top tier, and would work good as Dark DeathScyther Ring/Knuckle Weight/Orbit. Gyro wouldn't be a bad option for a driver on it, either. Infinity may work as the Disk, but I am not sure since I don't own it. A good Attack combo would be Zillion Zeus Magnum Xtreme, but be cautious as it may break easily. You could replace the Zillion Zeus layer with the Xeno Xcalibur later, and it would work fine too. Those are the mostly competitive combos which I can think of. Xeno Xcalibur Knuckle Orbit could be fun, as I use the original Xcalibur layer on that setup and it can do well at times.
Honestly i just want to create my own...
Hey guys I want to get into the competitive scene but I don't have many parts.
My current combo of choice with the parts I have is....
Kaiser Kerbeus Magnum Orbit (K2 MO)
How will this fair in competitive? What parts will I need to make a better combo or include in my deck? Finally what type of combos should I make to work well with my combo to cover the attitudes it's lacking (trying to cover my bases with a separate combo instead of just changing parts.)?
My current combo of choice with the parts I have is....
Kaiser Kerbeus Magnum Orbit (K2 MO)
How will this fair in competitive? What parts will I need to make a better combo or include in my deck? Finally what type of combos should I make to work well with my combo to cover the attitudes it's lacking (trying to cover my bases with a separate combo instead of just changing parts.)?
(Jan. 09, 2017 9:14 PM)RoninSGTO Wrote: Hey guys I want to get into the competitive scene but I don't have many parts.
My current combo of choice with the parts I have is....
Kaiser Kerbeus Magnum Orbit (K2 MO)
How will this fair in competitive? What parts will I need to make a better combo or include in my deck? Finally what type of combos should I make to work well with my combo to cover the attitudes it's lacking (trying to cover my bases with a separate combo instead of just changing parts.)?
Well try to replace Magnum with Gravity or Heavy, You could find Gravity in B-36.