Okay, so I was tidying up my bedroom, Beyblade parts were scattered everywhere, being my procrastinating self, I looked for a distraction. I of course chose Beyblades, so I picked up my flame wheel and looked under it, noticing how it was raised slightly and then I remembered when flame was a top tier stamina part that it was always used at a 145 height. By looking at it I guessed that the 135 height track would be best to make it a "true" 145 height, however 130 turned out to be much better. The point of bringing flame back up to this height is that if it was used on a 145 height track, it would be easier to destabilize by other 145 height beys, thereby in lowering the track slightly we would realize flame's true stamina potential, or at least that is the notion, say tuned. (135 height results have been kept for comparison).

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Alternatining shots taken using a Hasbro string launcher and TT karbiner grip, the Thunder whip stadium was used (I hope this is OK, but the tests done are all stamina Vs. stamina). Aquario clear wheel is Hasbro,not sure about the manufacturer of my Flame wheel and every other part is TT.

Flame Bull 135 WD Vs. Earth Aquario AD145 WD (Flame Bull launched first, alternating shots)

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6/20 wins for FB

Okay, so I know it's not that great but, I was using different clear wheels and the WD on FB was slightly worn, plus I think I did a few sucky launches but I think this has potential!

Flame Bull 135WD Vs. Earth Aquario AD145WD (Swapped WD's, alternating shots, FB launched first, all wins by OS)

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3/20 wins for FB

It appears that there is a slight difference in my WD's, however it is probably negligible, as all wins were tight, the CW's probably have more of an impact. I will test on the 130 height before swapping the clear wheels.

Flame bull 130WD Vs. Earth Aquario AD145WD (Flame Bull launched first, alternating shots, the WD on FB is the same as in the first test, all wins are by OS)

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9/20 wins for FB!!!!

A massive improvement, I will commence testing with S130 and swap clear wheels, then Vs. Basalt tests, etc.

Doesn't this really just revolve around mid-height stamina types?
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Earth-Ca...ck-Heights

Edit:
I suggest you do quite a few more tests with different types before going off and create a thread..

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try against some more listed combos, but also you want at least above 50% win rate above top tier stamina types to get it a chance.

try putting against earth bull ad145 wd (i know it was nearlly the same but just putting here), and burn bull ad145 wd, hehe i noticed i but both ad145 wd

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A. More testing is needed.
B. TT Attack Stadium is preferable
C. Do testing against Earth/Burn Bull 135WD

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Alas I only have one 135, no attack stadium, but more stamina testing is on the way!

ok, if this has potential, swap the wd's and see if that makes a difference, this combo has had not even average test results so how does this have nearly tier 1 potential???
i suggest this thread gets locked untill better results are up, you did not need to make a new thread for these results.

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personally i agree with the others on this, as this lacks stamina potential capable of succeeding to even tier 2 you must conduct better resluts when you obtain newly refreshed parts as i believe you stated that your flame bull had worn parts

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OK, I'll add that too my to do list, which I am working on! coming to a thread near you soon are!

Flame bull 135WD Vs. Basalt Aquario AD145WD
Flame Bull 145WD Vs. Earth Aquario 145WD
Flame Bull 130WD Vs. Earth Aquario AD145WD
Flame Bull 135WD Vs. Earth Aquario AD145WD (with swapped WD's)

test all with 135, some say 145 some say 130 ect.
also try against 230 combos and combos with sd.

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145 and 145 are for comparison with the 135 results.

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Doesn't this really just revolve around mid-height stamina types?
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Earth-Ca...ck-Heights

Edit:
I suggest you do quite a few more tests with different types before going off and create a thread..

I don't believe so, maybe if you were rating the height by only the track, but seeing how flame is raised I don't think so.Also I'm sorry, but I was exited to post my first combo

Flame is outclassed, yes : am I missing something ?

Nope, I just realized it did much better on a 135 height than 145, maybe enough to bring it back up to speed, rest assured, I have proof, it's coming, it might take it's sweet time though.

Flame raised 10mm?
That seems too much to me.
I'm not really seeing the point of these tests:
So flame can be at the exact height as any other metal wheel at 145?
So what, it still has less stamina.

Oh carp, you're right, I flopped that, I forgot 10mm was 1cm, but it's basically enough to bring it up to the same height, I'm testing the stamina at this height, it's slightly promising, and even if not, it's another thing we don't need to test, so please bare with me.

Yep, I know you're trying, but if it can't win against burn or earth at any height, when they are the same height, then this is just a really bad niche.

Hmm, I feel immense pressure to make this work, and this is probably a niche that I got overexcited about, and this could get closed, but then again, absolutely no one else has tested this yet, so maybe, theres hope for flame yet.

Your own test results show that there is no hope for Flame though ...

I don't wanna diss my own greatness but there could always be various factors that could have interfered with my testing, afterall shouldn't every combo be tested extensively before we rule it out/put it through to top tier, and I also still have to do tests at the 130 height.

i tried it looses its balance very quicly against lightning ldrago and meteo ldrago because they are so short and wd gets off balance so quickly and flame is highly outclassed by burn or earth but keep trying i think your on to something

Thanks but testing it against attack won't prove anything, seeing as it's a stamina type, although stamina and defense testing are appreciated, thanks though, support is needed as much as testing through this tedious late night testing session.

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Updated the OP with swapped WD tests and conclusion about my WD's and I continue the struggle alone...

Updated with PROMISING results for 130, starting the S130 tests, WOOP!

Please close this Kai-V it's keeping the good topics from showing because people keep posting here >.>

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At 1st I assumed this was going to be some painful noobish post that I would just have to ignore

MEAN, Dawg, these results aren't terrible you know, 9/20 against a top tier, plus ongoing testing, and it would help your case more if you tested it for yourself and posted the results to prove if it's deserving of being closed.

ok so attack is out then so i tried it against a earth bull c145wb first round win second round loss and draw so its decent against defense