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Hey guys! Welcome to my 14th testing thread! I've had it in the back of my head to test this combo for months now, and I really like it now that I've put more time into it. I think it'll be an interesting idea to explore.

The concept:

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This custom is built for pure endurance. Duo, Cancer, 230, and TB are all top-tier Stamina type parts. I've mixed and matched a few very popular customs to come up with this!

This custom performs like any other Stamina type, except for one key difference. Obviously partially played off of the renowned MF-M Duo Aquario 230MB, this combo has the same ability to wobble on TB's ball-shaped edge, but to a much, much longer period of time and far later into the match than MF-M Duo Aquario 230MB ever could. This combo can wobble for an astounding period of time during the final few rotations of the match, as the opponent easily falls and scrapes to the ground.

Ability to wobble smoothly near the end of a match is not this custom's only strong point. It has unbelievable pure stamina on the side, and can out-spin many popular Stamina combos without even needing to implement its wobbling abilities. TB is, IMO, one of, if not the, highest endurance Bottoms we have in the current game. I love it on all types of Stamina setups, but on 230 it is simply unmatched from my experience.

The launch:

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A normal launch is all you really need for this custom, although against D-series tips, banking slightly can work quite a bit better. I would reccomend banking slightly against other 230 Stamina types. Not too deeply, or you'll through yourself off-balance.

Parts choice:

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Duo: Duo is simply one of the best wheels in the game. It has amazing stamina, incredibly low recoil, and an optimal center of gravity for this sort of thing. My choice of a Metal Wheel was not difficult in any way. Duo performed far better than Phantom or Genbull on this setup.

Cancer: Stamina. Pure, reliable Stamina. Cancer is probably the best Clear Wheel we have for Stamina-oriented beyblades currently. My choice was not difficult with this either.

230: Very impressive Stamina, perfect balance, and height. The reason this works better than SR200 for me is simply height. The combo can bear down on taller opponents more easily, and wobble at much steeper angles. 230 really brings out TB's performance to its best, IMO.

TB: TB is the bread and butter of this custom. The thing has unbelievable pure Stamina, incredibly clean Precession, and, unlike some D-series performance tips, is more stable against semi-aggressive customs.

Testing Videos:

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My Phantom is quite a bit better than my Duo when I put them up against each other, so I'm guessing Duo would probably do a bit better than this with a more effective mold. Hope this helps!

Tests:

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Phantom vs. Duo testing:

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Duo Cancer W145WD vs. Phantom Cancer W145WD
Beys alternated launching first. Parts swapped after round 10.
Duo: wins, 8/20 (All OS)
Phantom: wins, 12/20 (All OS)
Duo Cancer W145WD win rate: 40%

As you can see, my Phantom is actually quite a bit better than my Duo. All Phantom's wins were noticeably cleaner than Duo's, and it managed to pull off a couple wins even when it was launched second. At such a disadvantage, it should be easy to see how effective this setup is if it can win against Phantom Stamina customs in the following testing.

Vs. Stamina:

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Duo Cancer 230TB vs. Duo Cancer 230D
Beys alternated launching first. Identical parts swapped after 10 rounds.
230TB: wins, 16/20 (All OS)
23D: wins, 4/20 (All OS)
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 80%

The first ten rounds, Duo 230TB went 6/4. It was pretty clearly ahead, but not by too much. However, after the parts swap, Duo Cancer 230TB went to town. 10 clean wins in a row.

Duo Cancer 230TB vs. Phantom Cancer TH220D
Beys alternated launching first.
Duo: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Phantom: wins, 0/10
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 100%

Complete slaughter. This is what sold me in the first place. The pure endurance you can get out of this thing is pretty amazing when you see it first hand. TB's extreme ability to wobble for extended periods of time comes in in these match-ups. Just when you think both are about to topple over, TB starts wobbling smoothly and spins for a solid 20 seconds more as the opponent scrapes to the ground.

Duo Cancer 230TB vs. Phantom Cancer W145WD
Beys alternated launching first.
Duo: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Phantom: wins, 0/10
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 100%

Quite impressive. This custom solidly beats the Phantom stamina section of the tier list.

Duo Cancer 230TB vs. Genbull Genbull SR200TB
Beys alternated launching first. Bottoms switched after round 10.
Cancer: wins, 12/20 (All OS)
Genbull: wins, 8/20 (All OS)
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 60%

Ties redone: 1

For the first ten rounds, these combos were dead even. And I mean dead even, in every way. Each combo won when it was launched second, and the wins were by the same, extremely small number of rotations. After the Bottom switch Cancer seemed to squeak barely ahead, putting in a few extra rotations near the end to pull off an extra couple wins. I was thrilled with this! Very impressive results.

Duo Cancer 230TB vs. MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165EWD
Beys alternated launching first.
Cancer: wins, 0/10
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 0%

Ties redone: 1

Er... yah, uh, fail. 230 stamina vs. Dragooon = terrible win percentage.

Vs. Attack:

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Duo Cancer 230TB vs. MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang W145R2F
Cancer launched first on all lauches.
Cancer: wins, 0/10
Wyvang: wins, 10/10 (9 KO, 1 OS)
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 0%

Wyvang's one OS was just crazy to watch. It flung Cancer around the stadium until it scraped to death from loss of spin velocity. This combo definitely doesn't work well against Synchrom Attack.

Duo Cancer 230TB vs. MF-H Flash Orion GB145R2F
Cancer launched first on all lauches.
Cancer: wins, 1/10 (1 OS)
Orion: wins, 9/10 (All KO)
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 10%

This custom, like all Stamina types, pretty much utterly fails against Attack. :\

Vs. Defense:

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Duo Cancer 230TB vs. MSF-H Revizer Killerken BD145CS
Beys alternated launching first.
Cancer: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Killerken: wins, 0/10
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 100%

Duo Cancer 230TB vs. MSF-H Revizer Killerken E230RSF
Beys alternated launching first.
Cancer: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Killerken: wins, 0/10
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 100%

No surprise here. XD

Vs. Balance:

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Duo Cancer 230TB vs. Girago Genbull E230MB
Beys alternated launching first.
Cancer: wins, 17/20 (All OS)
Genbull: wins, 3/20 (All OS)
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 85%

There's a special launch to use against 230 stamina for this Genbull combo, where you kind of lean it over to push the opposing custom off-balance. It worked a couple times, but TB wasn't quick to give in.


Duo Cancer 230TB vs. Wyvang Wyvang BD145RSF
Cancer launched first on all launches.
Cancer: wins, 3/20 (All OS)
Wyvang: wins, 17/20 (16 KO, 1 OS)
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 15%

Duo Cancer 230TB vs. MF-L Phantom Cygnus 85MF (Attack mode)
Cancer launched first on all launches. Cygnus stalled.
Cancer: wins, 6/20 (All OS)
Cygnus: wins, 14/20 (All OS)
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 30%

Eh, pretty decent. It didn't have quite enough pure Stamina to pull off a win, but then against, very few Stamina customs do.

Duo Cancer 230TB vs. MF-L Phantom Cygnus 85MF (Attack mode)
Cancer launched first on all launches. Cygnus banked.
Cancer: wins, 5/20 (All OS)
Cygnus: wins, 15/20 (13 KO, 2 OS)
Duo Cancer 230TB win rate: 25%

Not much different banking Cygnus. :\ Well, it's to be expected. As far as I know there aren't many competitive Stamina types that can take this thing on anyway. In fact, most Stamina types can't hit above 5-10%.

Counters:

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Competitive Attackers (MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang W145R2F)
Dragooon Spin Equalizers (MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165EWD)

Overall, I totally love this thing! It puts up some very impressive numbers. I hope this'll change up the Stamina meta a little! Tell me what you think. Testing is encouraged!

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Looks pretty nice, do you think you can test vs. MF-L Phantom Cygnus 85MF?

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

This thing seems really easy to KO..... Can u do a benchmark with duo cancer 230d?

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Threads you should read:

Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

That's a very good idea... I'll try to get that done soon. I'm gonna put my money on Phantom, but I'm not quite sure.

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This thing seems really easy to KO..... Can u do a benchmark with duo cancer 230d?

Um... it's a Stamina type. XD You're gonna hit 100% with Wyvang against any stamina combo as long as you don't fudge up the launch.

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This Seems Like A Very Good Combo!
I Agree With Kyler, Please Test This Against MF-L Phantom Cygnus 85MF
That's One Nice Photo Of Duo Cancer TBD

Cool, nice idea.

Tests against _____ Dragooon F230GCF please?

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Tournaments I've Attended (Click to View)

4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

My Testing Threads (All Zero-G) (Click to View)

Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

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HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
HMS General Discussion

Cool, nice idea.

Tests against _____ Dragooon F230GCF please?

Oh gosh, Dragooon would top 10/0 every time. XD This thing can out-spin just about anything right-rotating, and probably a couple left-spin Attack types, but nothing built to spin equalize.

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Can you do a test against Wyvang Dragoon BD145 RDF?

Thanks.

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Also, true lion gale force wall and fee-hee-heenay call

Can you do a test against Wyvang Dragoon BD145 RDF?

Thanks.

Not to come off rude or anything but it has already been stated (and I believe proven) that a right spin (Duo in this case) with TB does not stand a chance against Dragooon combos. TB isn't able to OS opposite spin combos like that.

Something else I can test! Requests?

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I am your dog.
Thanks for the sig, Rock kyoya!

Can you do a test against Wyvang Dragoon BD145 RDF?

Thanks.

Not to come off rude or anything but it has already been stated (and I believe proven) that a right spin (Duo in this case) with TB does not stand a chance against Dragooon combos. TB isn't able to OS opposite spin combos like that.

My bad.

Just wanted to see how it would handle, haha.

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Also, true lion gale force wall and fee-hee-heenay call

Something else I can test! Requests?

Would u happen to be able to test against duo cancer 230d or do a benchmark?

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Threads you should read:

Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

I will test against Phantom 230TB. I think that'll put up a fight.

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I am your dog.
Thanks for the sig, Rock kyoya!

Can you do a test against Wyvang Dragoon BD145 RDF?

Thanks.

Not to come off rude or anything but it has already been stated (and I believe proven) that a right spin (Duo in this case) with TB does not stand a chance against Dragooon combos. TB isn't able to OS opposite spin combos like that.

My bad.

Just wanted to see how it would handle, haha.

I did a test if you wanted to see how it would fair
Duo Cancer 230 TB vs MSF Wyvang Dragooon BD145 RDF
Duo:0
Dragooon:10 (9 OS, 1 KO)
Duo win percent: 0%
My prediction came true, I knew the matches would look very close, then TB goes to the ground. The TB I was using was a little worn, but I don't think to much to affect the results. Overall I really like this combo. Been playing with it since Colosseum where I got my first TB, I just haven't used it due to a lot of Left Spin in North Carolina.

Sorry but I still prefer my SR200 setup

Duo Cancer SR200 TB VS Duo Cancer 230 TB
SR200 Win: 90% (9 OS)
230 Win: 10% (1 KO) It was a freak knock-out

Duo Cancer 230 TB VS Genbull^2 SR200 TB
SR200 Win: 100% (10 OS)

But I do agree that it does really well against E230

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Veteran, just getting back into the sway of things

Duo Cygnus 230TB vs Phantom Cancer 230TB
Duo wins: 0/20
Phantom wins: 20/20(all OS)
Duo Win Percentage: 0%

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I am your dog.
Thanks for the sig, Rock kyoya!

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Whoo, Whoo, just got my testing gear back! Now here's my benchmark:

Duo Cancer 230TB VS Duo Cancer 230D

DuoTB: 7/20
DuoD: 13/20
DuoTB win Percentage: 35%

Yeah, it done good. I'm ready for more testing and also, the matches TB lost, it came really close to winning.

WBO Committee: It was recently brought to our attention that all tests by Crescent in this topic are fabricated. We urge you to forget their results and that someone trustworthy conduct the actual tests for the sake of this metagame.

Duo Cygnus 230TB vs Phantom Cancer 230TB
Duo wins: 0/20
Phantom wins: 20/20(all OS)
Duo Win Percentage: 0%

This is really just Phantom vs. Duo, LOL. It doesn't actually solve anything. You Phantom mold probably wins against your Duo most of the time.

Galaxy Blade/Dr. PepsiDew: Did you guys swap out your Duos halfway through? If you didn't, then I'd do ten more rounds with Duos swapped. It makes a huge difference.

I'll get some tests done vs Duo 230D later today if I can, along with Phantom 85MF.

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No, I didn't. I'll try it and do more tests later. Any requests?


Off-Topic: Thanks TheBlackDragon, for caps in my name. I want the username change back.

I've tried this exact combo before and I didn't like it. Try this against girago please.

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I did 0-0

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Veteran, just getting back into the sway of things

I don't understand how it got 100% against Wyvang Wyvang BD145RSF, so I tested it out myself, and this is what I got. Note that I used Girago Wyvang not Wyvang Wyvang, due to me not having 2 Wyvangs.


Duo Cancer 230TB vs. Girago Wyvang BD145RSF

Duo Cancer Wins: 5 (All OS's)
Girago Wyvang Wins: 15 (11 KO's, 4 OS's)

Duo Cancer Win Percentage: 25%

:$

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Agreed LMAO.

Here're my tests:

Duo Cancer 230TB VS Wyvang Wyvang BD145RSF

Duo Cancer 230TB: 2/10( 2 OS's)
Wyvang Wyvang BD145RSF: 8/10(6 KO's, 2 OS's)
Duo win rate: 15%

So yeah, from what I've seen, this shouldn't be able too win Wyvang^2 BD145RSF.

WBO Committee: It was recently brought to our attention that all tests by Crescent in this topic are fabricated. We urge you to forget their results and that someone trustworthy conduct the actual tests for the sake of this metagame.

Oh my goodness!!

You guys are right... I didn't finish putting the results in! XD I was copying and pasting another test and editing it to save time, but I didn't finish changing the numbers! I've edited the test now. Duo went 3/17. Super sorry about that. I must've skipped over it before finishing.

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Haha, that's more like it. You're forgivin

Need anymore tests?