McFrown, PLEASE TEST YOU CLAIMS. Show me some results that you have made. I can do them myself and prove you wrong. You are not understanding a word I have said. The combo attacks with the clear wheel. It is not made for stamina.

No need, from speculation I can gurantee you your combo sucks, and McFrowns is awesome

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MF-H Libra 230RS
MF-H Infinity Libra R145WB
MF-H Earth Aquario GB145RSF
MF-H Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F/CS
MF Lightning L-Drago (Multi-Hit) CH120RF
MF Gravity Perseus (Left Spin, Counter) D125R2F
MF Pegasis 145RF
MF Meteo L-Drago 100WD
MF-F Flame Bull 100SF
MF-F Burn Cancer 90WD
Ray Gil 100RF
Beylauncher L
Beylauncher L-R
Hasbro Beylauncher x2
Regular Beylauncher x2
Light Launcher 2 x2

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No need, from speculation I can gurantee you your combo sucks, and McFrowns is awesome

And that is exactly why you fail and you are a bandwagon. Speculation only makes a person look really dumb when they are wrong.

I forget if it was with Flame or Earth mold 2, but we both used mint WD's and 145 always beat 230.
And yes, we switched combos halfway through so it wasn't one of us sucking at launching.

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MF-H Libra 230RS
MF-H Infinity Libra R145WB
MF-H Earth Aquario GB145RSF
MF-H Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F/CS
MF Lightning L-Drago (Multi-Hit) CH120RF
MF Gravity Perseus (Left Spin, Counter) D125R2F
MF Pegasis 145RF
MF Meteo L-Drago 100WD
MF-F Flame Bull 100SF
MF-F Burn Cancer 90WD
Ray Gil 100RF
Beylauncher L
Beylauncher L-R
Hasbro Beylauncher x2
Regular Beylauncher x2
Light Launcher 2 x2

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Chipz, I am quite sure Bluezee and McFrown can duke it out on their own, just stay out of it.

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Yeah sure, I get harmed emotionally easily, I don't like it when people call me a bandwagon :"(

lol

MF-L Earth [2] Bull AD145WD DOMINATES against MF-L Earth [2] Bull 230WD

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Killer Beafowl
Hell Kerbecs

MF-H Libra 230RS
MF-H Infinity Libra R145WB
MF-H Earth Aquario GB145RSF
MF-H Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F/CS
MF Lightning L-Drago (Multi-Hit) CH120RF
MF Gravity Perseus (Left Spin, Counter) D125R2F
MF Pegasis 145RF
MF Meteo L-Drago 100WD
MF-F Flame Bull 100SF
MF-F Burn Cancer 90WD
Ray Gil 100RF
Beylauncher L
Beylauncher L-R
Hasbro Beylauncher x2
Regular Beylauncher x2
Light Launcher 2 x2

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LOL then don't post.

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Haha, edited with some "content"

Sure, UltraB

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Killer Beafowl
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MF-H Libra 230RS
MF-H Infinity Libra R145WB
MF-H Earth Aquario GB145RSF
MF-H Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F/CS
MF Lightning L-Drago (Multi-Hit) CH120RF
MF Gravity Perseus (Left Spin, Counter) D125R2F
MF Pegasis 145RF
MF Meteo L-Drago 100WD
MF-F Flame Bull 100SF
MF-F Burn Cancer 90WD
Ray Gil 100RF
Beylauncher L
Beylauncher L-R
Hasbro Beylauncher x2
Regular Beylauncher x2
Light Launcher 2 x2

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Wow I come back to my thread and I find this here. Do some testing if you really want to prove your points. If this combo can get a decent win rate vs a 230 it will most likely be able to defeat a 230RS defence combo by destabilisation and outspin.

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MF-L Earth [2] Bull AD145WD DOMINATES against MF-L Earth [2] Bull 230WD

I thought we knew about 145 heights being effective against 230 heights already?
(Not sure about it 'dominating' though, hah.)
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-230-Track-Discussion

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Wow I come back to my thread and I find this here. Do some testing if you really want to prove your points. If this combo can get a decent win rate vs a 230 it will most likely be able to defeat a 230RS defence combo by destabilisation and outspin.

Thank you Ultra. Sorry for kinda messing up your thread. I tried to stop this early but of course, people will be people and make unnecessary and pointless comments that state the obvious. BTW, I have done more testing with my combo and it has some pretty promising results if 7/10 wins against LL Drago CH120RF mean anything to you.=) I appreciate you making this thread. Destabilizers really do need some shine because they are indeed relevant.

Wow I come back to my thread and I find this here. Do some testing if you really want to prove your points. If this combo can get a decent win rate vs a 230 it will most likely be able to defeat a 230RS defence combo by destabilisation and outspin.

Thank you Ultra. Sorry for kinda messing up your thread. I tried to stop this early but of course, people will be people and make unnecessary and pointless comments that state the obvious. BTW, I have done more testing with my combo and it has some pretty promising results if 7/10 wins against LL Drago CH120RF mean anything to you.=) I appreciate you making this thread. Destabilizers really do need some shine because they are indeed relevant.

Wow. I did not expect that. May I see the details?

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Wow I come back to my thread and I find this here. Do some testing if you really want to prove your points. If this combo can get a decent win rate vs a 230 it will most likely be able to defeat a 230RS defence combo by destabilisation and outspin.

Thank you Ultra. Sorry for kinda messing up your thread. I tried to stop this early but of course, people will be people and make unnecessary and pointless comments that state the obvious. BTW, I have done more testing with my combo and it has some pretty promising results if 7/10 wins against LL Drago CH120RF mean anything to you.=) I appreciate you making this thread. Destabilizers really do need some shine because they are indeed relevant.

Yes, just give me some time today. I'm getting ready for the NY tourney today so I need to pack up.

Wow. I did not expect that. May I see the details?

I thought we knew about 145 heights being effective against 230 heights already?

Apparently Bluezee doesn't.



And Bluezee, I'll bet you have a camera.
Video please, unedited, 10 battles. Killer Bull M145WD vs. MF LL Drago (Upper Mode) CH120 (120 Height)RF/R2F
Genuine intrest here, not skepticism.

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How about do it against a 230 combo cause there's very little chance that it will win against that combo. I'm much more interested in seeing if it can get a decent win rate against a 230 combo since that is what it is made to do...

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Wow I come back to my thread and I find this here. Do some testing if you really want to prove your points. If this combo can get a decent win rate vs a 230 it will most likely be able to defeat a 230RS defence combo by destabilisation and outspin.

Thank you Ultra. Sorry for kinda messing up your thread. I tried to stop this early but of course, people will be people and make unnecessary and pointless comments that state the obvious. BTW, I have done more testing with my combo and it has some pretty promising results if 7/10 wins against LL Drago CH120RF mean anything to you.=) I appreciate you making this thread. Destabilizers really do need some shine because they are indeed relevant.

Yes, just give me some time today. I'm getting ready for the NY tourney today so I need to pack up.

Wow. I did not expect that. May I see the details?

Wait, is that your reply? I didn't write that... And I'm on Long Island! Good luck at the NY tourney! But, ok, I'll wait.

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-Anton Ego/Peter O'Toole (1932-2013)

How about do it against a 230 combo cause there's very little chance that it will win against that combo. I'm much more interested in seeing if it can get a decent win rate against a 230 combo since that is what it is made to do...

I agree. Since we are dealing with 230, I think we should try 135 as a compromise between the usual low and the 145 combos that can beat 230. Could someone do testing using Flame Cancer/Meteo L-Drago 135SF against Earth Bull 230SD/WD and Earth Bull DF145SD/WD please? I would except I don't have a 230 track. Thank you!

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How about do it against a 230 combo cause there's very little chance that it will win against that combo. I'm much more interested in seeing if it can get a decent win rate against a 230 combo since that is what it is made to do...

I agree. Since we are dealing with 230, I think we should try 135 as a compromise between the usual low and the 145 combos that can beat 230. Could someone do testing using Flame Cancer/Meteo L-Drago 135SF against Earth Bull 230SD/WD and Earth Bull DF145SD/WD please? I would except I don't have a 230 track. Thank you!

You do know 135 is outclassed right? Have you read the Burn Phoenix 135MS draft on the Beywiki project forum? It's near completion anywho. But back on topic, I can't do it. All I have are 2 Storm Pegasis' and 1 LL Drago... I'll see if I can get someone else to do it.

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-Anton Ego/Peter O'Toole (1932-2013)

You do know 135 is outclassed right?

Has it been tested against 230 though?

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Here's some tests, tho I don't have 85 or 90 so I used 100. This might have affected Ray's performance. I will do more tomorrow, namely Ray 100WD.

I used Wolf just to make everything the same, but I can redo them tomorrow with whatever Clear Wheel would be better (check my collection) because I'm not really sure.

Takara Tomy Attack Stadium

Bey Launcher+3 Segment Grip. HF Always Shot Second, WD Always Shot Alternating.

Flame Wolf 100HF vs MF Earth Bull GB145RSF (Click to View)

1. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
2. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
3. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
4. Earth Bull Wins - OS
5. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
6. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
7. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
8. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
9. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
10. Flame Wolf Wins - OS

Flame Wolf 100HF Wins! 9\10
This Combo destabilizes very well against defense.

Flame Wolf 100HF vs Earth Bull 145WD (Click to View)

1. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
2. Earth Bull Wins - OS
3. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
4. Earth Bull Wins - OS
5. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
6. Earth Bull Wins - OS
7. Earth Bull Wins - OS
8. Earth Bull Wins - OS
9. Earth Bull Wins - OS
10. Flame Wolf Wins - OS

Earth Bull Wins! 6\10
It doesn't do as well against stamina hahaha

Flame Wolf 100WD vs MF Earth Bull GB145RSF (Click to View)

1. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
2. Earth Bull Wins - OS
3. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
4. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
5. Earth Bull Wins - OS
6. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
7. Earth Bull Wins - OS
8. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
9. Flame Wolf Wins - OS
10. Flame Wolf Wins - OS

Flame Wolf 100WD Wins! 7/10
HF is superior in this combo, but WD still did pretty good.

Ray Wolf 100HF vs MF Earth Bull GB145RSF (Click to View)

1. Ray Wolf Wins - OS
2. Ray Wolf Wins - OS
3. Earth Bull Wins - OS
4. Ray Wolf Wins - OS
5. Earth Bull Wins - OS
6. Earth Bull Wins - OS
7. Earth Bull Wins - OS
8. Ray Wolf Wins - OS
9. Ray Wolf Wins - OS
10. Ray Wolf Wins - OS

Ray Wolf 100HF Wins! 6/10
Flame is superior to Ray, but maybe at 85 or 90 it would work better. It only destabilized sometimes, and it has far less stamina than Flame.

Ray Wolf 100HF vs Earth Bull 145WD....I didn't finish this...well you can see why (Click to View)

1. Earth Bull wins - OS
2. Earth Bull wins - OS
3. Earth Bull wins - OS
4. Earth Bull wins - OS
5. Earth Bull wins - OS
6. Earth Bull wins - OS
7. Earth Bull wins - OS

I gave up there hahaha.

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I tested the F bottom.
Burn Bull 145WD vs Flame Bull 100F
Equipment used: beylauncher, TT MFB attack stadium
Launching conditions Burn always launched first WD semi worn both combos launched at 100%
detailed results

Spoiler (Click to View)

1.Flame KO
2.Flame KO
3.Burn OS
4.Flame OS
5.Flame KO
6.Burn OS
7.Burn OS
8.Flame KO
9.Burn OS
10.Burn OS
11.Flame KO
12.Flame KO
13.Flame KO
14.Flame KO
15.Burn OS
16.Flame KO
17. Flame KO
18. Flame KO
19.Burn OS
20.Flame OS

Flame win rate: 13/20
Burn win rate: 7/20

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No, you are not "righting" properly.

This might be a dumb question but, even if it doesn't have good smash, can dark be used in a smash attack combo?

No flame claw will help battling meteo l drago cuz when meteo l drago attacks it will steal spin but if u have flame claw u can attack under

Man, I hate Hasbro.

Then stop buying their products and pretend you had never heard of beyblade.

ok im seriously dumb

We can't help you with that problem.

When there's something bad going on in the WBO, who you gonna call?



Kai-V!

Also, Attack beys are not supposed to have good attack.

Me Collection

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Storm Pegasis 105RF x4
Rock Aquario 125SF
Flame Bull 100F
Lightning L-drago 100HF x2
Earth Aquila 145WD
Burn Phoenix 135MS
Dark Wolf DF145FS x3
Pegasis 145D
Galaxy Pegasis W105R2F x2
Burn Unicorno SW145JB
Rock Leone 145WB
Clay Leone D125FS
Meteo CW x3
L-Drago MW x2
85,DF105, L105,105
XF,LRF,RF,

Awesome thanks guys. I'll update the OP sometime today.

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You do know 135 is outclassed right?

Has it been tested against 230 though?

TBh I don't think it's been tested at all.

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How about do it against a 230 combo cause there's very little chance that it will win against that combo. I'm much more interested in seeing if it can get a decent win rate against a 230 combo since that is what it is made to do...

He could always do both if he has the time?

I agree. Since we are dealing with 230, I think we should try 135 as a compromise between the usual low and the 145 combos that can beat 230. Could someone do testing using Flame Cancer/Meteo L-Drago 135SF against Earth Bull 230SD/WD and Earth Bull DF145SD/WD please? I would except I don't have a 230 track. Thank you!

Venumelion just say your idea does prove useful against 230 opponents for 135 tracks to be truly useful your idea will need to perform quite consistently and achieve good win rates against traditional 145 opponents and MF Lightning L Drago CH120RF/R2F as well.
In the mean time since you don't have a 230 track you could begin testing against traditional opponents.

BTW, I have done more testing with my combo and it has some pretty promising results if 7/10 wins against LL Drago CH120RF mean anything to you.=) I appreciate you making this thread. Destabilizers really do need some shine because they are indeed relevant.

Like Mc Frown I would be extremely interested to see 10 unedited battles against MF Lightning L Drago CH120RF/R2F. It’s not that I’m sceptical of your results but rather if this combo proves to be quite effective against LLDrago and 230 then there might be a chance of this combo cementing a spot within the meta game.

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Updated the results.

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