Death Nemesis AD145WB vs. Duo Nemesis AD145WB
Beys alternated launching first.
Death: wins, 0/10
Duo: wins, 10/10 (1 KO, 9 OS)
Death Nemesis AD145WB win rate: 0%

Don't ask me how that KO happened.

Ultra: I acknowledge you as a very excellent and highly-skilled balder, I really do, as do plenty of the other members here.

1) I would not be suprised that your brain is very high-functional. You're very smart and knowledgable.

2) However, nodbody's perfect... No matter how much like a computer your brain is, it can't draw logical conclusions based on ideas that are not actually backed up by any logical/scientific evidence whatsoever... even a supercomputer needs someone to feed it information before it can evaluate anything.

3) So what if you happened to get one thing wrong in your time as a member? You're much more knowledgeable than most of the people here. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes...

4) Just for the record, I'm not saying that Death is a bad wheel... It's just not overwhelmingly top tier for same-spin stamina. If there was a section on the tier list for right-rotating spin-steal, Death would be at the very, very top. It's a great piece.

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I really couldn't put any of that better theblackdragon. That was the single best summary this thread could have hoped for lol

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• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  
• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
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Death Nemesis AD145WB vs. Duo Nemesis AD145WB
Beys alternated launching first.
Death: wins, 0/10
Duo: wins, 10/10 (1 KO, 9 OS)
Death Nemesis AD145WB win rate: 0%

Don't ask me how that KO happened.

Ultra: I acknowledge you as a very excellent and highly-skilled balder, I really do, as do plenty of the other members here.

1) I would not be suprised that your brain is very high-functional. You're very smart and knowledgable.

2) However, nodbody's perfect... No matter how much like a computer your brain is, it can't draw logical conclusions based on ideas that are not actually backed up by any logical/scientific evidence whatsoever... even a supercomputer needs someone to feed it information before it can evaluate anything.

3) So what if you happened to get one thing wrong in your time as a member? You're much more knowledgeable than most of the people here. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes...

4) Just for the record, I'm not saying that Death is a bad wheel... It's just not overwhelmingly top tier for same-spin stamina. If there was a section on the tier list for right-rotating spin-steal, Death would be at the very, very top. It's a great piece.

Would you mind using ewd, just for the heck of ending or reopening discussion of it being top-tier stamina, but that fact aside it is still a great combo... Perhaps tier-list level?

Umm I sorta doubt it. It really only beats Dragooon stamina types(and if all you want is LAD, might as well just use straight up Death B:D.

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It handles defense, can successfully deal with phantom (talking about the combo, not mirror matches) and does not lose to a single one of the proposed balance combos, I think so...

Anything with any stamina whatsoever can beat Defense.

What about Phantom 230 D? It hasn't been tested against that IIRC.

I can easily KO it with Phantom MF and 90% positive I could with Gryph BSF, so that is most likely your launch.....

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I'd suggest someone just try a 'mirror match' with duo cancer ad145EWD (or a similarly good CW for duo, in case it is a matter of Leone working well with death), but I might just do it myself.
My stadium isn't in legal condition as there's a crack in the wall that is taped on both sides, but it should provide a pretty accurate idea of things. I'll give revizer dragooon sa165 ewd a shot too but if Death looks to be doing well against it early on I probably won't do full testing just because I've got other things to do and death beating that isn't new. I'll also give phantom 90MF a shot against it seeing as I'm generally handy with metal flat tips but I'm kinda busy with other generations atm so I would really rather not have to test that in full.

BTW, personally I've found a lot of things can beat Revizer Dragooon B: D if they use EWD, sometimes not even needing SA165 (it's LAD isn't actually all that great to me - perhaps it's just because of me coming from a plastics background but most round pre-ZG wheels have pretty similar LAD already), RD B: D actually seems like a pretty mediocre combo in BB-10 to me lol.

Oh and yes as for the Attack results, those are extremely low. Attack results are also quite random in general thanks to their nature which is a big part of why 20 tests are required.

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Mirror matches would be fantastic, and while I am in no way well versed in older gens I'd like to say I can see what you're saying about SA165's LAD compared to beys of old lol

Time, just for future threads, you really did need to do 20 tests. Also, while I agree that Death is good, I don't honestly see a reason this thread was made instead of the Death discussion necroed...

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• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  
• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
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• A New, Experimental Ruleset -- Less Guessing, More Skill/Knowledge-Intensive
  

So, um... I'd hate to be the rain on your parade but this combo has been known, for quite awhile...

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So, um... I'd hate to be the rain on your parade but this combo has been known, for quite awhile...

That's actually true and half the point, haha! We're bringing it up again since we've been discussing it in the Public Competitive Customs Discussion thread.

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but again this should have gone in the Death Discussion but what's done is done

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• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  
• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F (collab with KainHighwind)
  

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• The Beginner's Guide to Advanced MFB Custom Construction
  
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• A New, Experimental Ruleset -- Less Guessing, More Skill/Knowledge-Intensive
  

Ah okay, well I'll contribute all of what I've gotten from the tournament point of view. My specific combo is MF Death Susanoow AD145 WD, it's okay for stamina, beats defense and spin-stealers, and mediocre stamina types. There not much this combo can be used for except for doing really swell against spin stealers, it almost always will fail against Duo btw. So, yeah.

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Alright, got some tests up!

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Death Leone AD145EWD vs. Phantom Cygnus W145WD
Beys alternated launching first.
Death: wins, 2/10 (All OS)
Phantom: 8/10 (All OS)
Death Leone AD145EWD win rate: 20%

I think Death did a little bit better on EWD this time...

Death Leone W145WD vs. Phantom Cygnus AD145EWD
Beys alternated launching first.
Death: wins, 0/10
Phantom: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Death Leone W145WD win rate: 0%

I did this just to clarify that it was indeed EWD that was allowing the combo to take down phantom. My AD145 also seems to be really, really good for some reason... it can go head-to-head with W145 most of the time.

Death Leone AD145EWD vs. Duo Cygnus W145WD
Beys alternated launching first.
Death: wins, 0/10
Duo: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Death Leone AD145EWD win rate: 0%

This wasn't even close. Duo crushed it. IDK why it did better against Phantom and worse against Duo, but it just did.

Death Leone AD145EWD vs. Duo Cygnus 230D
Beys alternated launching first.
Death: wins, 0/10
Duo: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Death Leone AD145EWD win rate: 0%

I don't know how this happened... I don't think I have ever seen a more one-sided stamina match in my life. Duo barely even slowed down during the entire course of the battle! It was a complete and utter blow-out.

Sorry there are only 10 each. We had company over, and I didn't have time. I thought the losses were extreme enough to still post the results.

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This has become another Death Discussion, so everyone please start posting in here:

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Death-Di...pid1127128

That thread also has all the old tests so people don't have to keep reinventing the wheel.

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• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  
• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F (collab with KainHighwind)
  

My Threads (Click to View)

• The Beginner's Guide to Advanced MFB Custom Construction
  
• RS vs. RDF vs. RB vs. CS vs. RSF : Rubber Tip Stamina Comparison
  
• A New, Experimental Ruleset -- Less Guessing, More Skill/Knowledge-Intensive