Beyblade Burst Sparking Episode #39 (December 18, 2020)

guys dont fight. valt cant win every battle.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:07 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:06 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: Take it from previous battles like lane vs. the bros or Arthur vs. Delta and Drum and what do you get? A big loss!

Yeah and Arthur and Lane had a strategy

So did Drum
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:08 AM)EarthHelios Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:07 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote: Yeah and Arthur and Lane had a strategy

So did Drum

Which battle
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:08 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:08 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: So did Drum

Which battle

Episode 39
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:09 AM)EarthHelios Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:08 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote: Which battle

Episode 39

Oh yeah
Bruh this is completely Rantaros fault, 2 v 1s are lopsided battles unless the opponent has dark resonance or bad flare. If Rantaro had held on longer Valt would've KOed Drum and finish the match against Lui.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:10 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: Bruh this is completely Rantaros fault, 2 v 1s are lopsided battles unless the opponent has dark resonance or bad flare. If Rantaro had held on longer Valt would've KOed Drum and finish the match against Lui.

They are making Rantaro useless
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:11 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: Lui would have won either way Unhappy

Not true. Valt is more than capable of taking down Lui.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:13 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:11 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: Lui would have won either way Unhappy

Not true. Valt is more than capable of taking down Lui.

Yeah if it was a 1 on 1 then yeah
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:05 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  12:58 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Dragon would take the bait. Dante is big dumb. Luinor can probably take on Valt, he has trust in Lui. Also he wouldn't just let Roktavor speed up and pwoer up and do nothing on the side. Even if they both got Valt, by then Roktavor would be super powered and they wouldn't know how o approach it with it being, way stronger than before.
Dante is an intelligent blader. He wouldn't have fell for that. In addition, they know Valt's caliber and wouldn't have left that to chance if they didn't have to. As for Roktavor powering up, he wouldn't have been able to because the plate was spinning the opposite way. Even if he had been able to, there's no way he would have been able to take on Dante and Lui by himself even with the power up and they would have known that.

Dante can make smart strategies, but if there's just a bey sitting there Dante won't pass up the opportunity. Remembers he's like 11, and very dumbo. As for Valt, obviously they know he's strong but then there's Lui, who can easily rival Valt. Plus Dante has trust in Lui to carry out the job. Roktavor can power up from the plate spinning. Similar to how Valt's Rush Launch powered up using the plate. Either way yoou're just considering power levels, not actual strategy. Roktavor is strong enough to slow down Luinor, so it can push Dante to the rim easy, After that He can just hit Dragon with an upper attack, since there's nothing down there guarding it below the wings. As for Luinor, he can stall and go for a stamina finish.
Specialty for Rantaro: Stamina
But for the other attack bey: Longinus
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:17 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:05 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Dante is an intelligent blader. He wouldn't have fell for that. In addition, they know Valt's caliber and wouldn't have left that to chance if they didn't have to. As for Roktavor powering up, he wouldn't have been able to because the plate was spinning the opposite way. Even if he had been able to, there's no way he would have been able to take on Dante and Lui by himself even with the power up and they would have known that.

Dante can make smart strategies, but if there's just a bey sitting there Dante won't pass up the opportunity. Remembers he's like 11, and very dumbo. As for Valt, obviously they know he's strong but then there's Lui, who can easily rival Valt. Plus Dante has trust in Lui to carry out the job. Roktavor can power up from the plate spinning. Similar to how Valt's Rush Launch powered up using the plate. Either way yoou're just considering power levels, not actual strategy. Roktavor is strong enough to slow down Luinor, so it can push Dante to the rim easy, After that He can just hit Dragon with an upper attack, since there's nothing down there guarding it below the wings. As for Luinor, he can stall and go for a stamina finish.

Only if Rantaro did that
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:07 AM)BeybladeX100 Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  12:55 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Nothing was stopping him from noticing Dante on the side and that he could do something. Butt he didn't. Its his fault. It's not like "Valt had no choice, he couldn't win anyway." He just straight up didn't plan accordingly for whatever reason. Maybe he got a big dumb during the battle idk. When you're going against 2 opponents at once obviously you're gonna keep tabs on both of them, but he didn't.

No one is complaining your just trying to start stuff Valt can’t take on two people simple as that we don’t care that he loss we know that Valt tried his very best If Rantaro kept Lui busy Valt would have possibly took care of Drum POSSIBLY and even if Rantaro went after drum what difference does it make he 2v1 Drum with Hikaru and got bursted like a tomato in the beginning their strategy got on hold bc of Rantaro wanting to speak with Shu and why he teamed up with Lean Rantaro was generally upset about it and couldn’t even get his head in the game Valt cannot compete with two people at the same time Valt should have just token care of Drum and backed up Rantaro so yea half of it was Valts fault but not ALL of it at the end of the day Valt was able to master the speed storm stadium in such a ridiculous fast rate he was the first to ever master it in a short amount of time and even if Valt took care of Drum I’m sure Lui would have surprised attacked Valt and ring him out and have Lui deal with Rantaro so it doesn’t matter what will they both tried their best so quit complaining
You aren't getting the point. Valt didn't take into consideration that Dragon could do something, and that ended up being his demise. He could have, but he didn't. I never said that Valt would win if he noticed, I'm just saying that Valt went in without noticing which is a stupid decision. If its a 2 v 1 you should be keeping tabs on both of your opponents.

(Dec. 22, 2020  1:19 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:17 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Dante can make smart strategies, but if there's just a bey sitting there Dante won't pass up the opportunity. Remembers he's like 11, and very dumbo. As for Valt, obviously they know he's strong but then there's Lui, who can easily rival Valt. Plus Dante has trust in Lui to carry out the job. Roktavor can power up from the plate spinning. Similar to how Valt's Rush Launch powered up using the plate. Either way yoou're just considering power levels, not actual strategy. Roktavor is strong enough to slow down Luinor, so it can push Dante to the rim easy, After that He can just hit Dragon with an upper attack, since there's nothing down there guarding it below the wings. As for Luinor, he can stall and go for a stamina finish.

Only if Rantaro did that

Roktavor, with speed ups from the storm plate, can barely dodge Luinor's attacks to where Luinor is drained of most of its stamina, if a bey had like no stamina even if they get one attack in their stamina is drained afterwards.

They could of went "Hey, Roktavor isn't an attack bey it isn't very strong, how about we don't make it go into a position where it has to rely on strength?"
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:07 AM)BeybladeX100 Wrote: No one is complaining your just trying to start stuff Valt can’t take on two people simple as that we don’t care that he loss we know that Valt tried his very best If Rantaro kept Lui busy Valt would have possibly took care of Drum POSSIBLY and even if Rantaro went after drum what difference does it make he 2v1 Drum with Hikaru and got bursted like a tomato in the beginning their strategy got on hold bc of Rantaro wanting to speak with Shu and why he teamed up with Lean Rantaro was generally upset about it and couldn’t even get his head in the game Valt cannot compete with two people at the same time Valt should have just token care of Drum and backed up Rantaro so yea half of it was Valts fault but not ALL of it at the end of the day Valt was able to master the speed storm stadium in such a ridiculous fast rate he was the first to ever master it in a short amount of time and even if Valt took care of Drum I’m sure Lui would have surprised attacked Valt and ring him out and have Lui deal with Rantaro so it doesn’t matter what will they both tried their best so quit complaining
You aren't getting the point. Valt didn't take into consideration that Dragon could do something, and that ended up being his demise. He could have, but he didn't. I never said that Valt would win if he noticed, I'm just saying that Valt went in without noticing which is a stupid decision. If its a 2 v 1 you should be keeping tabs on both of your opponents.

(Dec. 22, 2020  1:19 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote: Only if Rantaro did that

Roktavor, with speed ups from the storm plate, can barely dodge Luinor's attacks to where Luinor is drained of most of its stamina, if a bey had like no stamina even if they get one attack in their stamina is drained afterwards.

They could of went "Hey, Roktavor isn't an attack bey it isn't very strong, how about we don't make it go into a position where it has to rely on strength?"

Valt didn't take into consideration that the bound wings of tempest could activate due to a very clear plan they demonstrated during the battle, however Rantaro was unable to hold his side of the job and ended up helping tempest which wasn't calculated in due to the fact that Rantaro was expected to do such a thing
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:24 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: You aren't getting the point. Valt didn't take into consideration that Dragon could do something, and that ended up being his demise. He could have, but he didn't. I never said that Valt would win if he noticed, I'm just saying that Valt went in without noticing which is a stupid decision. If its a 2 v 1 you should be keeping tabs on both of your opponents.


Roktavor, with speed ups from the storm plate, can barely dodge Luinor's attacks to where Luinor is drained of most of its stamina, if a bey had like no stamina even if they get one attack in their stamina is drained afterwards.

They could of went "Hey, Roktavor isn't an attack bey it isn't very strong, how about we don't make it go into a position where it has to rely on strength?"

Valt didn't take into consideration that the bound wings of tempest could activate due to a very clear plan they demonstrated during the battle, however Rantaro was unable to hold his side of the job and ended up helping tempest which wasn't calculated in due to the fact that Rantaro was expected to do such a thing

Valt shouldn't have expected Rantaro to hold him off, he knows Roktavor doesn't have good attack, literally everyone does. Thats why Dante and Lui weren't taking Rantaro seriously.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:17 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:05 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Dante is an intelligent blader. He wouldn't have fell for that. In addition, they know Valt's caliber and wouldn't have left that to chance if they didn't have to. As for Roktavor powering up, he wouldn't have been able to because the plate was spinning the opposite way. Even if he had been able to, there's no way he would have been able to take on Dante and Lui by himself even with the power up and they would have known that.

Dante can make smart strategies, but if there's just a bey sitting there Dante won't pass up the opportunity. Remembers he's like 11, and very dumbo. As for Valt, obviously they know he's strong but then there's Lui, who can easily rival Valt. Plus Dante has trust in Lui to carry out the job. Roktavor can power up from the plate spinning. Similar to how Valt's Rush Launch powered up using the plate. Either way yoou're just considering power levels, not actual strategy. Roktavor is strong enough to slow down Luinor, so it can push Dante to the rim easy, After that He can just hit Dragon with an upper attack, since there's nothing down there guarding it below the wings. As for Luinor, he can stall and go for a stamina finish.

If he knows there's a better opportunity to win, being the intelligent blader he is, he's going to take it. Dante is not dumb. In addition, Roktavor wouldn't have been able to sit in the middle because of the plate. Also, I'm not just considering power levels, but it is a factor. I'm reading the whole situation. Valt was able to use the plate because he utilized it in combination with Rush Launch to attack Dragon as soon as the plate spit Valtryek out, he then repeated the process in order to pummel Dragon. And as we saw, Roktavor wasn't strong enough to slow down Luinor for any useful length of time because Luinor swatted him away not long after Rantaro tried that. As for that part about the wings, the anime doesn't use details such as that in battles so that wouldn't be a factor.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:29 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:17 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Dante can make smart strategies, but if there's just a bey sitting there Dante won't pass up the opportunity. Remembers he's like 11, and very dumbo. As for Valt, obviously they know he's strong but then there's Lui, who can easily rival Valt. Plus Dante has trust in Lui to carry out the job. Roktavor can power up from the plate spinning. Similar to how Valt's Rush Launch powered up using the plate. Either way yoou're just considering power levels, not actual strategy. Roktavor is strong enough to slow down Luinor, so it can push Dante to the rim easy, After that He can just hit Dragon with an upper attack, since there's nothing down there guarding it below the wings. As for Luinor, he can stall and go for a stamina finish.

If he knows there's a better opportunity to win, being the intelligent blader he is, he's going to take it. Dante is not dumb. In addition, Roktavor wouldn't have been able to sit in the middle because of the plate. Also, I'm not just considering power levels, but it is a factor. I'm reading the whole situation. Valt was able to use the plate because he utilized it in combination with Rush Launch to attack Dragon as soon as the plate spit Valtryek out, he then repeated the process in order to pummel Dragon. And as we saw, Roktavor wasn't strong enough to slow down Luinor for any useful length of time because Luinor swatted him away not long after Rantaro tried that. As for that part about the wings, the anime doesn't use details such as that in battles so that wouldn't be a factor.

Dante is the kid that told his opponents his strategies before the battle, he's dumb. I also just said Rotkavor could circulate around the plate, bumping into it every so often and gaining speed boost....I've already said that. As for the plate, it does knock non left spinners away....with a speed boost. Thats the point. Also the anime does use details like that. You attack under the layer because nothing under the layer is stopping you. Oh, almost like an upper attack? Like the one Luinor uses? Wonder why he does? Oh right, there's nothing stopping him under the layer. Weird.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:34 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:29 AM)Admiral W Wrote: If he knows there's a better opportunity to win, being the intelligent blader he is, he's going to take it. Dante is not dumb. In addition, Roktavor wouldn't have been able to sit in the middle because of the plate. Also, I'm not just considering power levels, but it is a factor. I'm reading the whole situation. Valt was able to use the plate because he utilized it in combination with Rush Launch to attack Dragon as soon as the plate spit Valtryek out, he then repeated the process in order to pummel Dragon. And as we saw, Roktavor wasn't strong enough to slow down Luinor for any useful length of time because Luinor swatted him away not long after Rantaro tried that. As for that part about the wings, the anime doesn't use details such as that in battles so that wouldn't be a factor.

Dante is the kid that told his opponents his strategies before the battle, he's dumb. I also just said Rotkavor could circulate around the plate, bumping into it every so often and gaining speed boost....I've already said that. As for the plate, it does knock non left spinners away....with a speed boost. Thats the point. Also the anime does use details like that. You attack under the layer because nothing under the layer is stopping you. Oh, almost like an upper attack? Like the one Luinor uses? Wonder why he does? Oh right, there's nothing stopping him under the layer. Weird.

That was Gachi, Dante is definitely smarter now, and if what you said about the storm plate interacting with right spins is true, then Shu wouldn't have told lain it's bad for right spins, plus if they got a speed boost, there would be an animation that showcases the speed like the one Longinus got.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:34 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:29 AM)Admiral W Wrote: If he knows there's a better opportunity to win, being the intelligent blader he is, he's going to take it. Dante is not dumb. In addition, Roktavor wouldn't have been able to sit in the middle because of the plate. Also, I'm not just considering power levels, but it is a factor. I'm reading the whole situation. Valt was able to use the plate because he utilized it in combination with Rush Launch to attack Dragon as soon as the plate spit Valtryek out, he then repeated the process in order to pummel Dragon. And as we saw, Roktavor wasn't strong enough to slow down Luinor for any useful length of time because Luinor swatted him away not long after Rantaro tried that. As for that part about the wings, the anime doesn't use details such as that in battles so that wouldn't be a factor.

Dante is the kid that told his opponents his strategies before the battle, he's dumb. I also just said Rotkavor could circulate around the plate, bumping into it every so often and gaining speed boost....I've already said that. As for the plate, it does knock non left spinners away....with a speed boost. Thats the point. Also the anime does use details like that. You attack under the layer because nothing under the layer is stopping you. Oh, almost like an upper attack? Like the one Luinor uses? Wonder why he does? Oh right, there's nothing stopping him under the layer. Weird.

That was simply a quirk of Dante's. The way he strategizes in battle clearly reveals his intelligence. Ragging Upper utilities the protrusions on the 3A chassis which are perfectly suited for an upper not necessarily because there's less protection there. The plate can spin both ways, depending on wether it's spinning left or right will determine which bey can utilize it. Any bey that spins the opposite way the plate is spinning will be spit out uncontrollably. Valt was able to overcome that by utilizing Rush Launch (Which was genius) If Roktavor tried to use it, he would have been spit out uncontrollably as we saw in previous battles, so Rantaro would not have been able to just sit anywhere. If he decided to circle the storm plate and not make contact with it, as soon as Lui and Drum took care Valt they'd come after him and make quick work of him.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:44 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:34 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Dante is the kid that told his opponents his strategies before the battle, he's dumb. I also just said Rotkavor could circulate around the plate, bumping into it every so often and gaining speed boost....I've already said that. As for the plate, it does knock non left spinners away....with a speed boost. Thats the point. Also the anime does use details like that. You attack under the layer because nothing under the layer is stopping you. Oh, almost like an upper attack? Like the one Luinor uses? Wonder why he does? Oh right, there's nothing stopping him under the layer. Weird.

That was simply a quirk of Dante's. The way he strategizes in battle clearly reveals his intelligence. Ragging Upper utilities the protrusions on the 3A chassis which are perfectly suited for an upper not necessarily because there's less protection there. The plate can spin both ways, depending on wether it's spinning left or right will determine which bey can utilize it. Any bey that spins the opposite way the plate is spinning will be spit out uncontrollably. Valt was able to overcome that by utilizing Rush Launch (Which was genius) If Roktavor tried to use it, he would have been spit out uncontrollably as we saw in previous battles, so Rantaro would not have been able to just sit anywhere. If he decided to circle the storm plate and not make contact with it, as soon as Lui and Drum took care Valt they'd come after him and make quick work of him.

The reason he goes for an upper is because the layer is not there, only chassis which is just a beefed up disc. Its like avoiding the layer to directly hit the disc, which is the locking mechanism, yada yada yada. Obviously Roktavor would get spit out at a random angle, but not uncontrollably. We've never seen a bey that get knocked out uncontrollably before.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:44 AM)Admiral W Wrote: That was simply a quirk of Dante's. The way he strategizes in battle clearly reveals his intelligence. Ragging Upper utilities the protrusions on the 3A chassis which are perfectly suited for an upper not necessarily because there's less protection there. The plate can spin both ways, depending on wether it's spinning left or right will determine which bey can utilize it. Any bey that spins the opposite way the plate is spinning will be spit out uncontrollably. Valt was able to overcome that by utilizing Rush Launch (Which was genius) If Roktavor tried to use it, he would have been spit out uncontrollably as we saw in previous battles, so Rantaro would not have been able to just sit anywhere. If he decided to circle the storm plate and not make contact with it, as soon as Lui and Drum took care Valt they'd come after him and make quick work of him.

The reason he goes for an upper is because the layer is not there, only chassis which is just a beefed up disc. Its like avoiding the layer to directly hit the disc, which is the locking mechanism, yada yada yada. Obviously Roktavor would get spit out at a random angle, but not uncontrollably. We've never seen a bey that get knocked out uncontrollably before.

Not necessarily. 3A is designed in such a way that it's great for that. Lui's not necessarily thinking that because there's no Layer there, that why he should use it. It allows him to send a bey flying out of the stadium. Which he can't accomplish from above. On the point of the storm plate, we did see that with both Hyuga and Lane. They weren't able to utilize the plate to their advantage because of that. Hikaru and Shu could because it was spinning left, Helios is obviously a left spin bey, and when you take a look Spryzen, it's in left spin mode. That's why both of them could use it to their advantage. Both Hyuga and Lane on the other hand spit out on a wayward trajectory, especially Lane. He got bumped out and then had to right himself. In either event were going in circles, and I have no desire to debate all night. So let's go our separate ways on this topic.
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:
(Dec. 22, 2020  1:44 AM)Admiral W Wrote: That was simply a quirk of Dante's. The way he strategizes in battle clearly reveals his intelligence. Ragging Upper utilities the protrusions on the 3A chassis which are perfectly suited for an upper not necessarily because there's less protection there. The plate can spin both ways, depending on wether it's spinning left or right will determine which bey can utilize it. Any bey that spins the opposite way the plate is spinning will be spit out uncontrollably. Valt was able to overcome that by utilizing Rush Launch (Which was genius) If Roktavor tried to use it, he would have been spit out uncontrollably as we saw in previous battles, so Rantaro would not have been able to just sit anywhere. If he decided to circle the storm plate and not make contact with it, as soon as Lui and Drum took care Valt they'd come after him and make quick work of him.

The reason he goes for an upper is because the layer is not there, only chassis which is just a beefed up disc. Its like avoiding the layer to directly hit the disc, which is the locking mechanism, yada yada yada. Obviously Roktavor would get spit out at a random angle, but not uncontrollably. We've never seen a bey that get knocked out uncontrollably before.

Who cares Ragnarock still wouldn’t have done anything too great unless they get a 2nd chance which I highly doubt they will ever get that rematch then yea sure Rantaro can redeem himself but it’s very unlikely for that not only that it just seems your blaming Valt for everything yet Drum was basically just a side kick back up in this episode he was getting fodderized until Ragnarock saved him give Valt someone like Hyuga then that’s a different story but like I said the episode was just to good 10/10 Valt and Rantaro had their downsides but so did Drum buy bc he was able to do one smart move that means he gets off the hooked it required a screw up partner to help Drum to tip Valkyrie off his balance and even if Valt shouldn’t have let Rantaro fight Lui what’s your point so your arguments are going to change anything Rantaro fights Drum he lost he fights Lui he still lost so what’s your point obviously if Valt was able to take one of them out he would still get sneak attacked bc these characters will always drop their gaurd due to plot convenience