I really need to know. Both are great in same spin attack, but they are awful opposite spin. Do they excel in something? Or are there bettet choices, or they are not even good for competitive play?
Are Brave Valkyrie and Mirage Fafnir truly competitive?
Brave excels in attack of course, and has usually decent stamina. As for Mirage, meh. Despite being a stamina type when not spin stealing it doesn't do great. In 6 contact point mode it has a bit more attack, but that's about it. (Also brave doesn't have much defense, but can bounce back from heavy attacks well, but if its a really big attack it can just kill all of Brave's stamina). Brave should be good for competitive stuff, Mirage not so much.
(Jul. 07, 2020 11:50 PM)snoc Wrote: Brave excels in attack of course, and has usually decent stamina. As for Mirage, meh. Despite being a stamina type when not spin stealing it doesn't do great. In 6 contact point mode it has a bit more attack, but that's about it. (Also brave doesn't have much defense, but can bounce back from heavy attacks well, but if its a really big attack it can just kill all of Brave's stamina). Brave should be good for competitive stuff, Mirage not so much.Mirage Fafnir is great for left spin attack , it can burst Left Master Diabolos. But if I have Judgement do I still have a reason to use Brave?
(Jul. 07, 2020 11:54 PM)g2_ Wrote:(Jul. 07, 2020 11:50 PM)snoc Wrote: Brave excels in attack of course, and has usually decent stamina. As for Mirage, meh. Despite being a stamina type when not spin stealing it doesn't do great. In 6 contact point mode it has a bit more attack, but that's about it. (Also brave doesn't have much defense, but can bounce back from heavy attacks well, but if its a really big attack it can just kill all of Brave's stamina). Brave should be good for competitive stuff, Mirage not so much.Mirage Fafnir is great for left spin attack , it can burst Left Master Diabolos. But if I have Judgement do I still have a reason to use Brave?
Oh nice, guess it has good attack then (I've never got that through my testing but hey, it works). If you have a fast combo for judgement You really don't need Brave tbh. Heck, I'd say Rage is a lotlot better than Brave for attack in general, since all the videos I've seen of it it easily and immediately bursts Brave in a lot of battles. Brave is good and all, but having a fast, tight combo with judgement or rage will do the trick.
(Jul. 07, 2020 11:56 PM)snoc Wrote:So Brave is not comptetive, how about stationary attacker?(Jul. 07, 2020 11:54 PM)g2_ Wrote: Mirage Fafnir is great for left spin attack , it can burst Left Master Diabolos. But if I have Judgement do I still have a reason to use Brave?
Oh nice, guess it has good attack then (I've never got that through my testing but hey, it works). If you have a fast combo for judgement You really don't need Brave tbh. Heck, I'd say Rage is a lotlot better than Brave for attack in general, since all the videos I've seen of it it easily and immediately bursts Brave in a lot of battles. Brave is good and all, but having a fast, tight combo with judgement or rage will do the trick.
(Jul. 08, 2020 12:07 AM)g2_ Wrote:(Jul. 07, 2020 11:56 PM)snoc Wrote: Oh nice, guess it has good attack then (I've never got that through my testing but hey, it works). If you have a fast combo for judgement You really don't need Brave tbh. Heck, I'd say Rage is a lotlot better than Brave for attack in general, since all the videos I've seen of it it easily and immediately bursts Brave in a lot of battles. Brave is good and all, but having a fast, tight combo with judgement or rage will do the trick.So Brave is not comptetive, how about stationary attacker?
It can be used for competitive, but you can use better. Brave isn't necessarily a terrible choice though. As for stationary attacker, I think it does decent with that. depending on the opponent they'll just die immediately (pretty much anything that's below Imperial and Master even all the season before, besides judgement) anyways.
Mirage Fafnir is very competitive. In my testing, it was able to equal Lord in left spin stamina. Brave Valkyrie on the other hand is ok, but not top tier. I’d say a jack of all trades part.
(Jul. 08, 2020 12:12 AM)g2_ Wrote:(Jul. 08, 2020 12:10 AM)BuilderROB Wrote: Mirage Fafnir is very competitive. In my testing, it was able to equal Lord in left spin stamina. Brave Valkyrie on the other hand is ok, but not top tier. I’d say a jack of all trades part.Mirage has too much recoil for left spin defense.
That’s not the case for me. If it helps, weak launching it gives it best results against opposite spin opponents.
(Jul. 08, 2020 12:16 AM)BuilderROB Wrote:Intresting, I think I should test Brave Valkyrie on Xtend+ against Longinus tomorrow.(Jul. 08, 2020 12:12 AM)g2_ Wrote: Mirage has too much recoil for left spin defense.
That’s not the case for me. If it helps, weak launching it gives it best results against opposite spin opponents.
Any more thoughts?
(Jul. 08, 2020 12:20 AM)g2_ Wrote:(Jul. 08, 2020 12:16 AM)BuilderROB Wrote: That’s not the case for me. If it helps, weak launching it gives it best results against opposite spin opponents.Intresting, I think I should test Brave Valkyrie on Xtend+ against Longinus tomorrow.
Any more thoughts?
I thought he was talking about mirage? Regardless, Mirage is very competitive, whereas Brave is all right.
They seem to have somewhat specific uses, but they seem pretty good. Valkyrie being good in mainly same spin and/or stationary attack combos, while Fafnir kinda excels as a somewhat better rubber attack.
Mirage is very good try mirage any sparking chip and chaise xtend +
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(Jul. 08, 2020 3:55 AM)kai edits Wrote: Mirage is very good try mirage any sparking chip and chaise xtend +
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The problem with Mirage on Xtend is that with the rubber it won't really excel in same spin situations. In opposite spin, giving it a single chassis is just a burst, or giving it a double chassis may reduce rubber contact too often which is a Mirage problem. May Xtend Plus being shorter could help, but it may not be that good imo.
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(Jul. 08, 2020 3:55 AM)kai edits Wrote: Mirage is very good try mirage any sparking chip and chaise xtend +
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The problem with Mirage on Xtend is that with the rubber it won't really excel in same spin situations. In opposite spin, giving it a single chassis is just a burst, or giving it a double chassis may reduce rubber contact too often which is a Mirage problem. May Xtend Plus being shorter could help, but it may not be that good imo.
I was thinking more Jolt', since it's shorter to expose more rubber, and It's pretty good at attack. Plus with 2S in Absorb mode on fafnir it has a pretty good shape for left attack.
Brave is really good in Defense on 2A (six blade) and Xtend+(Defense). On 2S (Absorb) is seems to be pretty good in attack, but it needs more testing or all we know 2S (counter) might be just as good as 2A. As I said there is testing to be done here
From what I've tested mirage is good on spin stealing but it does has some issue like having a double chassis which could reduce the spin stealing capability while brave seems decent on opposite spin matches but can be a play toy for huge attackers like judgement, i can recommend both if it suits your play style being a defensive spin stealing bey and stationary attackers
After testing both, they are both outclassed. They are pretty good though.
Mirage is sort of excellent at beating other left spin attackers, as a left spin attacker. From the games I've played it has had an advantage specifically against Rage, so I would say Mirage has a place in the meta. Brave has felt a little under-powered. Not bad, but not really excelling where other right spin attackers or stamina types would. Brave just feels like it exists.
Personally I think Brave can be very competitive. A great combo is to use it on the 2A chassis with the Xt+ driver. The LAD is phenomenal and can hang with some of the top tier meta beyblades. I have also seen it used as a solid attack type with Spiral' and other drivers. It managed to knock out Rage quite a few times. But just my personal experience after all.
Mirage however is a bit rough. With the 2S or 3A chassis and a good driver, it can be used as a decent attack type. But I haven't found any good combos I like personally.
Mirage however is a bit rough. With the 2S or 3A chassis and a good driver, it can be used as a decent attack type. But I haven't found any good combos I like personally.
they are both good, thats all i have to say
(Jul. 28, 2020 7:26 AM)FireKingArd Wrote: Personally I think Brave can be very competitive. A great combo is to use it on the 2A chassis with the Xt+ driver. The LAD is phenomenal and can hang with some of the top tier meta beyblades. I have also seen it used as a solid attack type with Spiral' and other drivers. It managed to knock out Rage quite a few times. But just my personal experience after all.The driver and the chassis are doing all the work, replace the ring and you'll have the same results.
Mirage however is a bit rough. With the 2S or 3A chassis and a good driver, it can be used as a decent attack type. But I haven't found any good combos I like personally.
(Jul. 28, 2020 11:19 AM)g2_ Wrote:Wait what...if you change the ring to something like super or king it will perform much worse so idk what are you talking here. I personally like brave cause it done so well against left bey but mirage only works best at spin stealing using a single chassis, I think both are really good and I recommend buying it cuz both bey has a good part such as 2A for any attack ring Ev' for rage and brave for stationary attack(Jul. 28, 2020 7:26 AM)FireKingArd Wrote: Personally I think Brave can be very competitive. A great combo is to use it on the 2A chassis with the Xt+ driver. The LAD is phenomenal and can hang with some of the top tier meta beyblades. I have also seen it used as a solid attack type with Spiral' and other drivers. It managed to knock out Rage quite a few times. But just my personal experience after all.The driver and the chassis are doing all the work, replace the ring and you'll have the same results.
Mirage however is a bit rough. With the 2S or 3A chassis and a good driver, it can be used as a decent attack type. But I haven't found any good combos I like personally.
(Jul. 28, 2020 12:04 PM)Needforspeed Wrote:Super would equalize just as well. And King is not even comptaible with 2A.(Jul. 28, 2020 11:19 AM)g2_ Wrote: The driver and the chassis are doing all the work, replace the ring and you'll have the same results.Wait what...if you change the ring to something like super or king it will perform much worse so idk what are you talking here. I personally like brave cause it done so well against left bey but mirage only works best at spin stealing using a single chassis, I think both are really good and I recommend buying it cuz both bey has a good part such as 2A for any attack ring Ev' for rage and brave for stationary attack
(Jul. 28, 2020 12:40 PM)g2_ Wrote:2A still works best on brave So idk what is your point(Jul. 28, 2020 12:04 PM)Needforspeed Wrote: Wait what...if you change the ring to something like super or king it will perform much worse so idk what are you talking here. I personally like brave cause it done so well against left bey but mirage only works best at spin stealing using a single chassis, I think both are really good and I recommend buying it cuz both bey has a good part such as 2A for any attack ring Ev' for rage and brave for stationary attackSuper would equalize just as well. And King is not even comptaible with 2A.