Archer Hercules Testing

@[boltoms] wanted to test his combo out against stock aH. I wrote down the results for him.

Archer Hercules 13 Eternal (First) vs. Shadow Amaterios 0Hit Volcanic (Second*)
- aH.13.Et: 6 OS, 2 KO (80% Win Rate)
- sα.0H.Vl: 2 Burst (20% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 13 Eternal (First) vs. Shadow Amaterios 0Hit Volcanic (Second Moderate*)
- aH.13.Et: 10 OS (100% Win Rate)
- sα.0H.Vl: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)

* Boltoms said that he launched sα at an angle that was close to scraping, but it moves to the center. Boltoms said he'll also make a video showing the launch he used in these tests on camera as well.

Boltoms also said that the majority of the time, sα got 2 clicks on aH.
(Sep. 15, 2018  4:59 AM)kjrules17 Wrote: @[boltoms] wanted to test his combo out against stock aH. I wrote down the results for him.

Archer Hercules 13 Eternal (First) vs. Shadow Amaterios 0Hit Volcanic (Second*)
- aH.13.Et: 6 OS, 2 KO (80% Win Rate)
- sα.0H.Vl: 2 Burst (20% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 13 Eternal (First) vs. Shadow Amaterios 0Hit Volcanic (Second Moderate*)
- aH.13.Et: 10 OS (100% Win Rate)
- sα.0H.Vl: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)

* Boltoms said that he launched sα at an angle that was close to scraping, but it moves to the center. Boltoms said he'll also make a video showing the launch he used in these tests on camera as well.

Boltoms also said that the majority of the time, sα got 2 clicks on aH.
Could you do ah on ab when it comes out,please KJ
(Sep. 15, 2018  5:11 AM)Battleburst Wrote: Could you do ah on ab when it comes out,please KJ
I'm a Hasbruh lol. Boltoms did the tests, not me. I just wrote down the results. He also said it was kind of a joke combo.
(Sep. 15, 2018  5:16 AM)kjrules17 Wrote:
(Sep. 15, 2018  5:11 AM)Battleburst Wrote: Could you do ah on ab when it comes out,please KJ
I'm a Hasbruh lol. Boltoms did the tests, not me. I just wrote down the results. He also said it was kind of a joke combo.

Sorry,lol,enjoy your hasbeys,could you ask him to do it
Another one from @[Kevo].

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal (First Moderate) vs. [Level Chip] Crash Ragnaruk 11Dagger Hunter’ (Second Sliding Shoot)
- aH.10.Et: 11 OS (55% Win Rate)
- [LC] cR.11D.Hn’: 5 OS, 3 Burst, 1 KO (45% Win Rate)
Would ah 10 g bearing be a good combo.
(Sep. 26, 2018  3:05 PM)Nate the Blader Wrote: Would ah 10 g bearing be a good combo.
Not bad cause thats a simalar combo that beat me in the finals at Grand Park'. Unfortunately it will lose to aH 7 Et
(Sep. 26, 2018  4:15 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  3:05 PM)Nate the Blader Wrote: Would ah 10 g bearing be a good combo.
Not bad cause thats a simalar combo that beat me in the finals at Grand Park'. Unfortunately it will lose to aH 7 Et

Yea usually I find bearing better in opposite spin match up. I guess that's why you see it on hell salamander so much in an attempt to counter aH
(Sep. 26, 2018  4:56 PM)Valkyriology Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  4:15 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote: Not bad cause thats a simalar combo that beat me in the finals at Grand Park'. Unfortunately it will lose to aH 7 Et

Yea usually I find bearing better in opposite spin match up. I guess that's why you see it on hell salamander so much in an attempt to counter aH

So is it good with Br against aH? Cuz if it is, I'm set for life cuz I'm second to somebody in my area who has aH and it's really good.
(Sep. 26, 2018  4:59 PM)ThePheonix Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  4:56 PM)Valkyriology Wrote: Yea usually I find bearing better in opposite spin match up. I guess that's why you see it on hell salamander so much in an attempt to counter aH

So is it good with Br against aH? Cuz if it is, I'm set for life cuz I'm second to somebody in my area who has aH and it's really good.

Yea it's a reliable counter against aH with eternal. In the tournament I went to recently I use hS 7B Bearing almost exclusively to counter aH. I'm not sure if it works if aH is on another driver since everyone uses eternal with it
(Sep. 26, 2018  5:02 PM)Valkyriology Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  4:59 PM)ThePheonix Wrote: So is it good with Br against aH? Cuz if it is, I'm set for life cuz I'm second to somebody in my area who has aH and it's really good.

Yea it's a reliable counter against aH with eternal. In the tournament I went to recently I use hS 7B Bearing almost exclusively to counter aH. I'm not sure if it works if aH is on another driver since everyone uses eternal with it
hS 0B Br is technically 50-50 against aH 0B Br imo imo imo ?!
So is ah 10 et, ah 7 et better than ah 10 g br
(Sep. 26, 2018  11:42 PM)Nate the Blader Wrote: So is ah 10 et, ah 7 et better than ah 10 g br
Each combo has its pros and cons aH 7,10 Et is better in same spin then aH 10G Br while aH 10G Br is better in Opposite...spin
(Sep. 15, 2018  4:59 AM)kjrules17 Wrote: @[boltoms] wanted to test his combo out against stock aH. I wrote down the results for him.

Archer Hercules 13 Eternal (First) vs. Shadow Amaterios 0Hit Volcanic (Second*)
- aH.13.Et: 6 OS, 2 KO (80% Win Rate)
- sα.0H.Vl: 2 Burst (20% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 13 Eternal (First) vs. Shadow Amaterios 0Hit Volcanic (Second Moderate*)
- aH.13.Et: 10 OS (100% Win Rate)
- sα.0H.Vl: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)

* Boltoms said that he launched sα at an angle that was close to scraping, but it moves to the center. Boltoms said he'll also make a video showing the launch he used in these tests on camera as well.

Boltoms also said that the majority of the time, sα got 2 clicks on aH.

0 Lift  works well on S amaterios n Volcanic as Vls height  not only allows Lift to make some contact but also increases prcessicion. Shadow amaterios also works well in combo S amaterios 0 Cross/Proof Destroy.
(Sep. 26, 2018  5:02 PM)Valkyriology Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  4:59 PM)ThePheonix Wrote: So is it good with Br against aH? Cuz if it is, I'm set for life cuz I'm second to somebody in my area who has aH and it's really good.

Yea it's a reliable counter against aH with eternal. In the tournament I went to recently I use hS 7B Bearing almost exclusively to counter aH. I'm not sure if it works if aH is on another driver since everyone uses eternal with it

Oh my God! Thanks for reporting!
I also have tried hS against aH recently. I was doing the standard aH/7/eternal against hS/0/glaive/bearing.

hS is very good at either getting a tie or out spinning. I was using the gray bearing driver with the notoriously weak spring because it's the only one I have.

Also worth noting, this hS setup is very good for stam, but winning valkyrie can easily burst it with many different drivers.
(Sep. 27, 2018  9:42 PM)Dutchems Wrote: I also have tried hS against aH recently. I was doing the standard aH/7/eternal against hS/0/glaive/bearing.

hS is very good at either getting a tie or out spinning. I was using the gray bearing driver with the notoriously weak spring because it's the only one I have.

Also worth noting, this aH setup is very good for stam, but winning valkyrie can easily burst it with many different drivers.
Are you sure that wV can burst aH 7 Et consistently? All I know is that my aH 0 Et beats wV 7V Jl almost every time.
My bad, I meant hS gets bursted, will edit.
So would you guys rather use ah 7,10 et or ah 10g br
(Sep. 28, 2018  12:57 AM)Nate the Blader Wrote: So would you guys rather use ah 7,10 et or ah 10g br
Most likely I would choose aH 7 Et over aH 10G Br
Here are some tests me, @[LazerBeamz], and @[Nue2127] did today. And don't worry, we did livestream these tests, so I'm going to put timestamps for all of them soon.

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 1 Burst (50% Win Rate)
- wV.7M.Yr: 5 Burst (50% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. [Level Chip] Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- aH.10.Et: 6 OS (60% Win Rate)
- [LC] wV.7M.Yr: 4 Burst (40% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Revolve (KJ & Nue)
- aH.10.Et: 2 OS (20% Win Rate)
- wV.7M.R: 6 Burst, 2 KO (80% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. [Level Chip] Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Revolve (KJ & Nue)
- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 2 KO (60% Win Rate)
- [LC] wV.7M.R: 4 Burst (40% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 0Bump Xtreme (Sliding Shoot) (Shadow Snake Pit Beystadium) (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- aH.10.Et: 3 OS, 3 KO (60% Win Rate)
- wV.0B.X: 3 Burst, 1 KO (40% Win Rate)
(Sep. 30, 2018  12:51 AM)kjrules17 Wrote: Here are some tests me, @[LazerBeamz], and @[Nue2127] did today. And don't worry, we did livestream these tests, so I'm going to put timestamps for all of them soon.

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 1 Burst (50% Win Rate)
- wV.7M.Yr: 5 Burst (50% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. [Level Chip] Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- aH.10.Et: 6 OS (60% Win Rate)
- [LC] wV.7M.Yr: 4 Burst (40% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Revolve (KJ & Nue)
- aH.10.Et: 2 OS (20% Win Rate)
- wV.7M.R: 6 Burst, 2 KO (80% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. [Level Chip] Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Revolve (KJ & Nue)
- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 2 KO (60% Win Rate)
- [LC] wV.7M.R: 4 Burst (40% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 0Bump Xtreme (Sliding Shoot) (Shadow Snake Pit Beystadium) (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- aH.10.Et: 3 OS, 3 KO (60% Win Rate)
- wV.0B.X: 3 Burst, 1 KO (40% Win Rate)

I'm curious as to why a Level Chip decreases wins for wV...
(Sep. 30, 2018  5:59 AM)Dragunix Wrote:
(Sep. 30, 2018  12:51 AM)kjrules17 Wrote: Here are some tests me, @[LazerBeamz], and @[Nue2127] did today. And don't worry, we did livestream these tests, so I'm going to put timestamps for all of them soon.

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 1 Burst (50% Win Rate)
- wV.7M.Yr: 5 Burst (50% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. [Level Chip] Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- aH.10.Et: 6 OS (60% Win Rate)
- [LC] wV.7M.Yr: 4 Burst (40% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Revolve (KJ & Nue)
- aH.10.Et: 2 OS (20% Win Rate)
- wV.7M.R: 6 Burst, 2 KO (80% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. [Level Chip] Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Revolve (KJ & Nue)
- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 2 KO (60% Win Rate)
- [LC] wV.7M.R: 4 Burst (40% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 0Bump Xtreme (Sliding Shoot) (Shadow Snake Pit Beystadium) (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- aH.10.Et: 3 OS, 3 KO (60% Win Rate)
- wV.0B.X: 3 Burst, 1 KO (40% Win Rate)

I'm curious as to why a Level Chip decreases wins for wV...
Maybe bc Attack is already inconsistent. Or the level chip focused more weight in the center?
(Sep. 30, 2018  12:51 AM)kjrules17 Wrote: Here are some tests me, @[LazerBeamz], and @[Nue2127] did today. And don't worry, we did livestream these tests, so I'm going to put timestamps for all of them soon.

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 1 Burst (50% Win Rate)
- wV.7M.Yr: 5 Burst (50% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. [Level Chip] Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
- aH.10.Et: 6 OS (60% Win Rate)
- [LC] wV.7M.Yr: 4 Burst (40% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Revolve (KJ & Nue) - Timestamp
- aH.10.Et: 2 OS (20% Win Rate)
- wV.7M.R: 6 Burst, 2 KO (80% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. [Level Chip] Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Revolve (KJ & Nue) - Timestamp
- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 2 KO (60% Win Rate)
- [LC] wV.7M.R: 4 Burst (40% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Winning Valkyrie 0Bump Xtreme (Sliding Shoot) (Shadow Snake Pit Beystadium) (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
- aH.10.Et: 3 OS, 3 KO (60% Win Rate)
- wV.0B.X: 3 Burst, 1 KO (40% Win Rate)
Timestamps for these battles have been added! Also, unless we go to another area with even better WiFi, we're probably just going to record the tests instead of trying to stream it.
More tests done by @[LazerBeamz] and I with the timestamps of course.

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Revive Phoenix 10 Absorb: KJ & LazerBeamz (Kevo) - Timestamp
- aH.10.Et: 6 OS (60% Win Rate)
- rP.10.Ab: 3 Burst, 1 KO (40% Win Rate)

Archer Hercules 10 Eternal vs. Revive Phoenix 10Bump Absorb: KJ & LazerBeamz (Kevo) - Timestamp
- aH.10.Et: 9 OS (90% Win Rate)
- rP.10B.Ab: 1 Burst (10% Win Rate)