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I would go with Gravity Perseus(Left Spin)100WD.

Hi, what is the best combo can i make with M145Q ? (i want use it in outer mode 2, with my Rev Up Launcher) Here my bey collection :

Cosmic Pegasus W105 R2F
Duo Ice-Titan 230 WD
Nightmare Rex SW145 SD
Scythe Kronos T125 EDS
L-Drago III Destructor LW105 LF
Wing Pegasus 90 WF
Phantom Orion B : D
Fang Leone 130 W2D
Blitz Lynx TR145 R2F
Samurai Ifrit W145 CF
Spiral Lyre ED145 MF
Death Quetzacoatl 125 SF
Storm Capricorn M145 Q
Earth Virgo GB145 BS
Poison Serpent SW145 SD
Variares 145 WB

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:43 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]Hi, what is the best combo can i make with M145Q ? (i want use it in outer mode 2, with my Rev Up Launcher) Here my bey collection :

Cosmic Pegasus W105 R2F
Duo Ice-Titan 230 WD
Nightmare Rex SW145 SD
Scythe Kronos T125 EDS
L-Drago III Destructor LW105 LF
Wing Pegasus 90 WF
Phantom Orion B : D
Fang Leone 130 W2D
Blitz Lynx TR145 R2F
Samurai Ifrit W145 CF
Spiral Lyre ED145 MF
Death Quetzacoatl 125 SF
Storm Capricorn M145 Q
Earth Virgo GB145 BS
Poison Serpent SW145 SD
Variares 145 WB

IDK about M145Q... But here are your best overall combo assuming they are all hasbro except Orion and Capri.

STANDARD FORMAT
Balance: phantom Virgo 90MF (very good.)
Stamina: phantom Virgo B/W145WD (also very good.)
Attack: cosmic Virgo TR145R2F (eh, not too good for standard, good for limited though.)
Defence: Phantom Virgo GB145WB (not good.)

LIMITED FORMAT
Balance: Earth/scythe Virgo 230SD/WD (good)
Stamina: Earth/Scythe Virgo W145WD (very good)
Attack: cosmic Virgo TR145R2F/Scythe Kronos 90R2F (both good)
Defence: Earth/Sythe Virgo GB145WB (not too good.)

M145Q doesn't have any use, so I doubt you'll get any suggestions.

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:52 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:43 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]Hi, what is the best combo can i make with M145Q ? (i want use it in outer mode 2, with my Rev Up Launcher) Here my bey collection :

Cosmic Pegasus W105 R2F
Duo Ice-Titan 230 WD
Nightmare Rex SW145 SD
Scythe Kronos T125 EDS
L-Drago III Destructor LW105 LF
Wing Pegasus 90 WF
Phantom Orion B : D
Fang Leone 130 W2D
Blitz Lynx TR145 R2F
Samurai Ifrit W145 CF
Spiral Lyre ED145 MF
Death Quetzacoatl 125 SF
Storm Capricorn M145 Q
Earth Virgo GB145 BS
Poison Serpent SW145 SD
Variares 145 WB

IDK about M145Q... But here are your best overall combo assuming they are all hasbro except Orion and Capri.

Balance: phantom Virgo 90MF (very good.)
Stamina: phantom Virgo B/W145WD (also very good.)
Attack: cosmic Virgo TR145R2F (eh, not too good for standard, good for limited though.)
Defence: Phantom Virgo GB145WB (not good.)

I don't want that type of answer ! Seriously !

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:55 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:52 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:43 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]Hi, what is the best combo can i make with M145Q ? (i want use it in outer mode 2, with my Rev Up Launcher) Here my bey collection :

Cosmic Pegasus W105 R2F
Duo Ice-Titan 230 WD
Nightmare Rex SW145 SD
Scythe Kronos T125 EDS
L-Drago III Destructor LW105 LF
Wing Pegasus 90 WF
Phantom Orion B : D
Fang Leone 130 W2D
Blitz Lynx TR145 R2F
Samurai Ifrit W145 CF
Spiral Lyre ED145 MF
Death Quetzacoatl 125 SF
Storm Capricorn M145 Q
Earth Virgo GB145 BS
Poison Serpent SW145 SD
Variares 145 WB

IDK about M145Q... But here are your best overall combo assuming they are all hasbro except Orion and Capri.

Balance: phantom Virgo 90MF (very good.)
Stamina: phantom Virgo B/W145WD (also very good.)
Attack: cosmic Virgo TR145R2F (eh, not too good for standard, good for limited though.)
Defence: Phantom Virgo GB145WB (not good.)

I don't want that type of answer ! Seriously !

Well, M145Q isn't good (as PRO SEAGULL said). But for an overall M145 (inner mode) combo you could try cosmic _____ M145R2F.

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:43 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]Hi, what is the best combo can i make with M145Q ? (i want use it in outer mode 2, with my Rev Up Launcher) Here my bey collection :

Cosmic Pegasus W105 R2F
Duo Ice-Titan 230 WD
Nightmare Rex SW145 SD
Scythe Kronos T125 EDS
L-Drago III Destructor LW105 LF
Wing Pegasus 90 WF
Phantom Orion B : D
Fang Leone 130 W2D
Blitz Lynx TR145 R2F
Samurai Ifrit W145 CF
Spiral Lyre ED145 MF
Death Quetzacoatl 125 SF
Storm Capricorn M145 Q
Earth Virgo GB145 BS
Poison Serpent SW145 SD
Variares 145 WB

M145Q sucks so I don't have a combo for it.
Attack: Blitz______90R2F/W145MF
Stamina: Phantom Orion(/Kronos?)W145WD
Balance: Phantom Orion 90MF

(Feb. 05, 2014  6:01 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:55 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:52 PM)DRAGON KING Wrote: [ -> ]IDK about M145Q... But here are your best overall combo assuming they are all hasbro except Orion and Capri.

Balance: phantom Virgo 90MF (very good.)
Stamina: phantom Virgo B/W145WD (also very good.)
Attack: cosmic Virgo TR145R2F (eh, not too good for standard, good for limited though.)
Defence: Phantom Virgo GB145WB (not good.)

I don't want that type of answer ! Seriously !

Well, M145Q isn't good (as PRO SEAGULL said). But for an overall M145 (inner mode) combo you could try cosmic _____ M145R2F.

No no no no no no no no no no no no no.
I want a JUMPING combo, nothing other.
With M145Q only, in outer mode 2 i specified.
This is my question.
(just want say that my Storm Capricorn win vs Diablo Nemesis)

(Feb. 05, 2014  6:15 PM)Herculeo777 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb. 05, 2014  5:43 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]Hi, what is the best combo can i make with M145Q ? (i want use it in outer mode 2, with my Rev Up Launcher) Here my bey collection :

Cosmic Pegasus W105 R2F
Duo Ice-Titan 230 WD
Nightmare Rex SW145 SD
Scythe Kronos T125 EDS
L-Drago III Destructor LW105 LF
Wing Pegasus 90 WF
Phantom Orion B : D
Fang Leone 130 W2D
Blitz Lynx TR145 R2F
Samurai Ifrit W145 CF
Spiral Lyre ED145 MF
Death Quetzacoatl 125 SF
Storm Capricorn M145 Q
Earth Virgo GB145 BS
Poison Serpent SW145 SD
Variares 145 WB

M145Q sucks so I don't have a combo for it.
Attack: Blitz______90R2F/W145MF
Stamina: Phantom Orion(/Kronos?)W145WD
Balance: Phantom Orion 90MF

His blitz is hasbro so cosmic would do better

There aren't really any "best" combos for M145Q because they're two awful parts. Why do you continue to ask for help when we really can't offer much advice other than "don't use M145Q"? There's no real testing on what newer parts work well with it because it's an awful setup, so if you want to figure out what works best, you're probably going to have to do that yourself.

Now, please, can you stop asking about jumping combos because they're awful and watching people spend so much time trying and failing to make you understand this is beginning to get really tiresome.

FWIW, Diablo Nemesis is an awful beyblade uncustomized. Can you really not make even the slightest bit of use of the many resources available here and actually try to learn something instead of asking the same question over and over and over and over again?

(Feb. 05, 2014  6:17 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]There aren't really any "best" combos for M145Q because they're two awful parts. Why do you continue to ask for help when we really can't offer much advice other than "don't use M145Q"? There's no real testing on what newer parts work well with it because it's an awful setup, so if you want to figure out what works best, you're probably going to have to do that yourself.

Now, please, can you stop asking about jumping combos because they're awful and watching people spend so much time trying and failing to make you understand this is beginning to get really tiresome.

FWIW, Diablo Nemesis is an awful beyblade uncustomized. Can you really not make even the slightest bit of use of the many resources available here and actually try to learn something instead of asking the same question over and over and over and over again?

What such of bad answer. Why do nobody help me ? M145Q win vs Stamina types beys, quasily each time. It's a good combo like all others. I'm not a novice, and a attack type bey that can win versus big stamina beys like orion is not bad

(Feb. 05, 2014  6:21 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb. 05, 2014  6:17 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]There aren't really any "best" combos for M145Q because they're two awful parts. Why do you continue to ask for help when we really can't offer much advice other than "don't use M145Q"? There's no real testing on what newer parts work well with it because it's an awful setup, so if you want to figure out what works best, you're probably going to have to do that yourself.

Now, please, can you stop asking about jumping combos because they're awful and watching people spend so much time trying and failing to make you understand this is beginning to get really tiresome.

FWIW, Diablo Nemesis is an awful beyblade uncustomized. Can you really not make even the slightest bit of use of the many resources available here and actually try to learn something instead of asking the same question over and over and over and over again?

What such of bad answer. Why do nobody help me ? M145Q win vs Stamina types beys, quasily each time. It's a good combo like all others. I'm not a novice, and a attack type bey that can win versus big stamina beys like orion) (

No, my answer is good - ask anyone here, you just do not understand actual good beyblades, and your posts have always made this blatantly clear.
RSF-tipped beyblades can KO stamina beys, heck, I can KO an uncustomized Phantom Orion with most synchromes on tips with more stamina than Q - which is barely above the rubber tips. RF, on the other hand, is used to actually do at least passably against Defense customizations, because attack types are already inherently riskier than the other types because they must KO to win rather than aiming to outlast (which requires hitting the opponent), and therefore need to be effective against a wider range of opponents to actually be useful. Q does not offer that.

We cannot help you if when we try to teach you something you absolutely refuse to learn - if you insist on doing so, you should stop asking because it just wastes our time trying to explain to you that no matter how much you love two of the worst parts in the entirety of MFB they are not and will not work better than many other available parts, and because we've already settled this, we cannot provide information as to what the best setup for M145Q is or what the best jumping setup is or any of your continuous questions about this gimmick which has never been useful in any series of beyblade, because we've spent our time and will continue to spend our time testing things that actually matter at all to competitive play.

If you are such an expert (as you both claim and act like you are), then you have no need to ask these questions, so you can stop wasting everyone's time (yourself included) by doing so, no?

(Feb. 05, 2014  6:28 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb. 05, 2014  6:21 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb. 05, 2014  6:17 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]There aren't really any "best" combos for M145Q because they're two awful parts. Why do you continue to ask for help when we really can't offer much advice other than "don't use M145Q"? There's no real testing on what newer parts work well with it because it's an awful setup, so if you want to figure out what works best, you're probably going to have to do that yourself.

Now, please, can you stop asking about jumping combos because they're awful and watching people spend so much time trying and failing to make you understand this is beginning to get really tiresome.

FWIW, Diablo Nemesis is an awful beyblade uncustomized. Can you really not make even the slightest bit of use of the many resources available here and actually try to learn something instead of asking the same question over and over and over and over again?

What such of bad answer. Why do nobody help me ? M145Q win vs Stamina types beys, quasily each time. It's a good combo like all others. I'm not a novice, and a attack type bey that can win versus big stamina beys like orion) (

No, my answer is good - ask anyone here, you just do not understand actual good beyblades, and your posts have always made this blatantly clear.
RSF-tipped beyblades can KO stamina beys, heck, I can KO an uncustomized Phantom Orion with most synchromes on tips with more stamina than Q - which is barely above the rubber tips. RF, on the other hand, is used to actually do at least passably against Defense customizations, because attack types are already inherently riskier than the other types because they must KO to win rather than aiming to outlast (which requires hitting the opponent), and therefore need to be effective against a wider range of opponents to actually be useful. Q does not offer that.

We cannot help you if when we try to teach you something you absolutely refuse to learn - if you insist on doing so, you should stop asking because it just wastes our time trying to explain to you that no matter how much you love two of the worst parts in the entirety of MFB they are not and will not work better than many other available parts, and because we've already settled this, we cannot provide information as to what the best setup for M145Q is or what the best jumping setup is or any of your continuous questions about this gimmick which has never been useful in any series of beyblade, because we've spent our time and will continue to spend our time testing things that actually matter at all to competitive play.

If you are such an expert (as you both claim and act like you are), then you have no need to ask these questions, so you can stop wasting everyone's time (yourself included) by doing so, no?

yeah, you are right, but i think he might know it's bad, but he is asking what is the best beyblade for bouceing, so i would say mf-f storm gasher m145 q, but this combo is terrible, so yeah, and since i am telling you this,euginebeygeek could you please stop asking everyone the same quetion? because i think every one is getting tied of it but while we are trying to help you, i am not trying to be rude or anything, but it is true

ok sure, sorry about that, atleast now i will know for next time

Just to all people think that i'm stupid, take a look to that video

Diablo Nemesis X : D is an absolutely horrible custom.

It's a high-recoil wheel, on a low grip Bottom with terrible balance issues.

M145Q is absolutely useless in every way, shape, and form. Like th!nk stated earlier. If something eats mud, we tend not to put time into testing it. We don't know what the best setup for it is, because, even at its absolute best, it would still be so bad it wouldn't be worth using.

Nobody thinks you're stupid. We're trying to help. M145Q is a horrible setup. It just is. GB145R2F is a far better Attack setup. Heck, even W145XF would be better. That said, there is no "good" combo you can build with M145Q, because its a horrible Track/Bottom combination for anything.

Some people have a tendency to speak, um, firmly, on this forum. If someone seems like they think you're crazy, they're probably genuinely trying to help (just a note for future reference).

One day, in the future, i will meet all of the best, all of people saying i'm a novice, and defeat them with my m145q combo. All of the moderators who think they know absolutely everything of beyblade will be shocked by their defeat. To everybody, before leave that website, i want say something, i :

I used to play around with M145Q. I could never get a KO. I will admit, I got 2 KO's once against Rock (witch is outclassed) R145R2F. But that was due to Rock being near the gap. I used Storm with the custom.

M145Q has no use at all. We don't think you're stupid. I thought M145Q was good when I started. I also learnt, you're favorite Beyblade isn't allways the best, sorry.


Also : I'm not sure if you was saying GB145 is the best Track for Mid-Hight-Attack or just an example. But it depends on the combo you're using. Let's say you have Storm, R145 us the best, seen as it has 3 sides that match perfect with the three-sided Storm. GB145 works the same way: Beat. GB145's the best. Though, I'm sure I miss understood. I think you know this already, haha.

(Feb. 06, 2014  2:31 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]One day, in the future, i will meet all of the best, all of people saying i'm a novice, and defeat them with my m145q combo. All of the moderators who think they know absolutely everything of beyblade will be shocked by their defeat. To everybody, before leave that website, i want say something, i :

Okay as long as you stop wasting people's time with these posts it's fine by me - good, even, though it's a shame you would quit over it - you could simply accept that we disagree and will not be able to answer your questions because we rarely use M145 or Q (IIRC Q did okay in Zero G stadia when people tried it there, but it definitely didn't end up being competitive) and as such don't know what the best way to utilise it is - when we use attack types we generally go for Rubber Flat for better controllability (with practice, of course) and recoil control, though a couple times MF shows up because a wheel can use its stamina or whatever (which is superior to Q's), so we can't really be sure whether Q will have the recoil control or stamina to work with a particular setup, even by estimating. And because we have more important things to spend our time on than parts that we have always found to be blatantly outclassed, that probably won't change for a very long time - I've probably done more than a lot of people have with M145 and Q because I like weird gimmicks, and even I don't know enough about what works well on it to give you suggestions. If you can understand/accept that and focus on finding the best M145Q combination yourself, then there's no need to quit - if you find a really good one, you should then look into testing it formally (though remember, any time results clash strongly with those done in the past, extra scrutiny is given, so do not expect people not to try to find any possible flaws in your methodology etc) as per our testing guidelines etc (they're in a stickied topic in the customizations forum, main thing is BB-10, proper launching order, 20 rounds with draws not counting towards that total and you must test against competitive opponents).

If you want to show people up in practice instead of testing - and you're very much welcome to do so - you should go to Anime North this year (I know it's quite a ways from Quebec but if you want to show everyone up, that's the place to go - it's generally our biggest event of the year and many of the best competitive bladers attend, and it is at least in Canada), and compete. If you even just do well in a big tournament like that with M145Q then yeah, we'd totally look into it and take time re-evaluating the parts, perhaps looking at your launch technique and so on - but keep in mind when you get to face competent opponents you won't be blading against uncustomized beyblades with extremely poor defense (also, did you not actually read my post - I already addressed why beating Diablo Nemesis X: D with it is not impressive). Personally, I'm always happy to be proven wrong on stuff like this because it means I learn something new, so that'd be great by all means.

(Feb. 06, 2014  2:31 PM)EugeneBeyGeek Wrote: [ -> ]One day, in the future, i will meet all of the best, all of people saying i'm a novice, and defeat them with my m145q combo. All of the moderators who think they know absolutely everything of beyblade will be shocked by their defeat. To everybody, before leave that website, i want say something, i :

Yes you will meet the best (or hopefully) but you won't be able to beat them with M145Q of any sort. In fact:

-No matter how skilled you are, if you use a terrible bey against one that is on the top-tier list, you are going to lose hard, unless you got lucky. It's just cold hard truth.

You don't need to leave too. They are just trying to help but if you are too defiant and refusing to learn, sorry to say, they can't help you much.

EDIT: I'm really sorry for cluttering up this topic, but EugeneBeyGeek has insisted for over a page and I found it hard to practice self control (Or exaggeratedly, I'm in danger of becoming super saiyan LOL)

Getting back on topic (and calming down from this post): Are there any good combos with Gargole?

The only combination I remember Gargole being good with was Gargole Dragooon SA165EWD. Since then, the same combo today uses Revizer, Killerken, Genbull, or Girago for the most part.

(Feb. 06, 2014  3:36 PM)PRO SEAGULL Wrote: [ -> ]The only combination I remember Gargole being good with was Gargole Dragooon SA165EWD. Since then, the same combo today uses Revizer, Killerken, Genbull, or Girago for the most part.

Gargole didn't do good at all in defense combos? I thought MSF-H Gargole Revizer BD145RSF/RDF did good in defense....

actually 2 much recoil. Revizer2 is better

I didn't see any defense testing of it aside from Gargole Gargole and Dragooon Gargole (not sure if that was meant to be gargole dragooon, but it's what Byser listed it as), both of which weren't as good as Revizer Revizer, but if that's really all the testing there was, then perhaps there's room for further investigation (It works for spin-stealing, after all, so it can't be too bad).