bluebomber28, this is a stupid way to get yourself to be banned. If you do not like the site anymore, just stop posting. We will never delete accounts, so you might as well just make yourself a favour and leave on a neutral note.
I must say, sometimes users are discouraged to post when they get warnings for small mistakes they do.
I do understand that strictness is needed, but sometimes it gets so strict that its like a dictator's rule. I mean, I've seen people get warned for defending themselves. As much as I'd hate to say that, but its true. Warning people for small mistakes just makes them scared to post.
(Oct. 14, 2011 12:23 PM)Relic Wrote: [ -> ]I must say, sometimes users are discouraged to post when they get warnings for small mistakes they do.
I do understand that strictness is needed, but sometimes it gets so strict that its like a dictator's rule. I mean, I've seen people get warned for defending themselves. As much as I'd hate to say that, but its true. Warning people for small mistakes just makes them scared to post.
Show me examples.
(Oct. 13, 2011 4:14 PM)bluebomber28 Wrote: [ -> ]you people dont care cuz takara gives attack types a chance and it is really hard to knock someone into the pocket
every one thats with takara is an idiot ESPECIALLY KIA-V
...Are you brain dead? I am missing a large chunk of my brain and I still make more sense than you.
So what you're saying is anyone doesn't want to play a game where burn bull 100WD and earth bull 100WD are the only combinations that will ever win is an idiot? For example, I like to play with Beat Eagle 85RF. I am an idiot for wanting to play under conditions I can actually win if I practice my shot enough?
Also, Kai-V has not won one ranked battle. If she had played in a Hasbro stadium, it may have been different. I think she's the least bias of all of us because of her standings.
(Oct. 14, 2011 12:23 PM)Relic Wrote: [ -> ]I must say, sometimes users are discouraged to post when they get warnings for small mistakes they do.
I do understand that strictness is needed, but sometimes it gets so strict that its like a dictator's rule. I mean, I've seen people get warned for defending themselves. As much as I'd hate to say that, but its true. Warning people for small mistakes just makes them scared to post.
This is why it's called a warning. If each time you get something like a 10% or 20% warning, this means you have 5-10 chances to learn the rules and change your act. That's actually really generous.
I completely agree with Dei!
Well, not implying to the part of her post where she refers to bluebomber's post(coz that'd be dumb), but to what Relic said.
Well Relic, small mistakes are mistakes after all. I do understand what you mean though, but I do not agree to it.
Warnings are actually meant to improve a person's posts. The best thing is, the reason of getting warned is mentioned. This makes it more understandable, and one is not haunted by the fact that he/she doesn't know why he/she was warned. But yes, it may have a negative effect at times. But as Dei said, that is why its called a warning. A warning
is scary. It doesn't matter for what reason you get it. But, when you develop fear of something, you try your best to avoid it. Everyone has their own ways of reacting to a situation. Certain people(which includes almost HALF of the WBO members) improve the quality of their posts. You may see such members rise to new levels at times. The others, who take warnings to be the final verdict of their life; leave the site and stop posting. Hence, its not the warnings that cause most members to stop posting, but its the way they react to it.
For example, I told kids to stop posting spam or off topic conversation in the NYC tournament thread. They continued. I can only assume a moderator/admin took care of it because their posts are now deleted and they stopped posting spam. It's like getting a speeding ticket. Once is enough.
(Oct. 14, 2011 12:23 PM)Relic Wrote: [ -> ]I must say, sometimes users are discouraged to post when they get warnings for small mistakes they do.
I do understand that strictness is needed, but sometimes it gets so strict that its like a dictator's rule. I mean, I've seen people get warned for defending themselves. As much as I'd hate to say that, but its true. Warning people for small mistakes just makes them scared to post.
I partly agree with you because when I first got warned I reduced the number of posts I made to about 1/10th for that week and till now I have not posted on that forum after getting warned but as Janstar mentioned warning is scary and thats why I avoided that page...fear of getting warned again you see...so I do agree that it makes some members scared to post but yes I also think that they should try not to repeat mistakes because if they give in same wrong posts then it would be a problem for the site. So I dont think it is a problem
, at least they were told not to spam. I see some people getting instantly warned. The reason is most probably because they don't read the PM by Kai-V or the rules, there are many people out there who have never been to forums so they don't know how it works.What I think is that they should be redirected to the rules page and be given one more chance before they can actually get a warning.
Though your reason is understandable.
Anyway, If you and JSB say so, I will take back my comment.
(Oct. 14, 2011 2:56 PM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2011 12:23 PM)Relic Wrote: [ -> ]I must say, sometimes users are discouraged to post when they get warnings for small mistakes they do.
I do understand that strictness is needed, but sometimes it gets so strict that its like a dictator's rule. I mean, I've seen people get warned for defending themselves. As much as I'd hate to say that, but its true. Warning people for small mistakes just makes them scared to post.
Show me examples.
I got a warning for listing my 5 fav anime,(in that thread) my post looked identical to 70% of the posts in the thread, yet NONE of them had warnings...
(Oct. 14, 2011 5:52 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2011 2:56 PM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2011 12:23 PM)Relic Wrote: [ -> ]I must say, sometimes users are discouraged to post when they get warnings for small mistakes they do.
I do understand that strictness is needed, but sometimes it gets so strict that its like a dictator's rule. I mean, I've seen people get warned for defending themselves. As much as I'd hate to say that, but its true. Warning people for small mistakes just makes them scared to post.
Show me examples.
I got a warning for listing my 5 fav anime,(in that thread) my post looked identical to 70% of the posts in the thread, yet NONE of them had warnings...
Like I said, it's just like a speeding ticket. You could be going 73 in a 55 and the other guy could be going 76 in a 55. A cop can pull you over and not the other guy. You're both going against the rules. Think it's an injustice? Then don't disobey the rules and it won't be a problem.
Did you describe why they were your favourite? You have to do that, you know.
(Oct. 14, 2011 5:52 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ]I got a warning for listing my 5 fav anime,(in that thread) my post looked identical to 70% of the posts in the thread, yet NONE of them had warnings...
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Top-five...#pid800847
From that post on, we have the right to warn people, especially since it is written in the title. You had no excuse.
(Oct. 14, 2011 7:08 PM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2011 5:52 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ]I got a warning for listing my 5 fav anime,(in that thread) my post looked identical to 70% of the posts in the thread, yet NONE of them had warnings...
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Top-five...#pid800847
From that post on, we have the right to warn people, especially since it is written in the title. You had no excuse.
Fixed, also I didn't read every post before posting, there are 11 pages there.
anyway, I do think warnings are handed out hastily sometimes... if I were a veteran, then yeah I should know better I suppose, because I would have been around long enough to know the way things are around here. BUT I'm a NEW member, and new members wouldn't know things like that... I'm a contributing member of 5+ other forums and non of them have a warning system, I didn't know it was possible.
(Oct. 14, 2011 9:07 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ]Fixed, also I didn't read every post before posting, there are 11 pages there.
anyway, I do think warnings are handed out hastily sometimes... if I were a veteran, then yeah I should know better I suppose, because I would have been around long enough to know the way things are around here. BUT I'm a NEW member, and new members wouldn't know things like that... I'm a contributing member of 5+ other forums and non of them have a warning system, I didn't know it was possible.
You were only required to read the title and the first post, not eleven pages obviously.
You might be a new member, but like everyone else, you received a private message introducing you to the board and tellin you to read the rules.
Any message board without a warning system is completely amateur. Even the worst forum software has such a system, and it would have to be extremely small and unpopular for there to be no warning system because you need to only have trustable friends on that board ...
(Oct. 14, 2011 9:22 PM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2011 9:07 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ]Fixed, also I didn't read every post before posting, there are 11 pages there.
anyway, I do think warnings are handed out hastily sometimes... if I were a veteran, then yeah I should know better I suppose, because I would have been around long enough to know the way things are around here. BUT I'm a NEW member, and new members wouldn't know things like that... I'm a contributing member of 5+ other forums and non of them have a warning system, I didn't know it was possible.
You were only required to read the title and the first post, not eleven pages obviously.
You might be a new member, but like everyone else, you received a private message introducing you to the board and tellin you to read the rules.
Any message board without a warning system is completely amateur. Even the worst forum software has such a system, and it would have to be extremely small and unpopular for there to be no warning system because you need to only have trustable friends on that board ...
The Source, SSG, JCF, bladeforums(knives)... All have over 50k-100k members... they probably have the ability to do it, they have the same software as this site, they just don't use it, to my knowledge at least, I've never seen someone on there warned... But The Source is the largest forum for the largest and oldest Collectable game in the world, Magic the Gathering, which is hugely successful... so non of the forums are in any way amateur...
People get banned for things on those forums, but for big things, there is no strikes system to keep track of very minor things that an accumulation of which leads to a ban, that is in place to my knowledge.
(Oct. 14, 2011 9:40 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ]People get banned for things on those forums, but for big things, there is no strikes system to keep track of very minor things that an accumulation of which leads to a ban, that is in place to my knowledge.
What other forums do is entirely irrelevant here. They are not us, we are not them, and trying to change ourselves to be more like a less-disciplined forum just seems like a large step backwards.
Any user that simply stops posting or leaves because of a warning for an improper action is not a user that was going to be very contributory or beneficial for the forum environment in the first place, typically.
A repeat-offender of any kind should be punished. If they continue to ignore the large gratuity of warning shots, temp bans, etc. then the hammer comes down on them. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly find fault with it, to be honest.
(Oct. 13, 2011 5:01 PM)djspida5 Wrote: [ -> ]Considering that 3/4ths of the users here are children under the age of 14, i'd say yes. Also, to some users, this is their first official forum and have no prior experience posting on public message boards; so yes, they're very strict.
Well we can't change the whole rule set just for some people who don't think before posting, this was my first forum and yeah sure I got 3 warnings my first day and I thought that this place was very strict but no I was wrong, I was the problem, I was the idiot that posted dumb things. Now that I look back I don't think this place is strict, it just takes some getting use to, thats all.
(Oct. 14, 2011 10:15 PM)Hazel Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2011 9:40 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ]People get banned for things on those forums, but for big things, there is no strikes system to keep track of very minor things that an accumulation of which leads to a ban, that is in place to my knowledge.
What other forums do is entirely irrelevant here. They are not us, we are not them, and trying to change ourselves to be more like a less-disciplined forum just seems like a large step backwards.
Any user that simply stops posting or leaves because of a warning for an improper action is not a user that was going to be very contributory or beneficial for the forum environment in the first place, typically.
A repeat-offender of any kind should be punished. If they continue to ignore the large gratuity of warning shots, temp bans, etc. then the hammer comes down on them. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly find fault with it, to be honest.
I'm not complaining, or trying to change ANYTHING!!!! I'm just saying new members should be given a little pre-warning, than being instantly reprimanded for a silly oversight... that is all, I mentioned the other forums because I have been a contributing member to many others for several years, and until this forum, I as a new member, was not familiar with a 'warning system' as all of the other forums I'm on don't 'warn' they ban for serious things, such continual rudeness/obligatory comments repeatedly, scams etc... I've never been 'warned' for "not elaborating"
Like I said, I'm NOT complaining, I'm not saying "oh its not fair take it back", its done, whatever... I am saying however, that in situations like that maybe ones length as a member should be taken into account... For Instance, Someone who joins and in the first week they get a warning for 'not elaborating' or whatever, they might then be 'turned-off' to the site from then on...
But some people are black and white I guess, others allow for some gray... it takes all kinds you know.
(Oct. 14, 2011 10:53 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2011 10:15 PM)Hazel Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2011 9:40 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ]People get banned for things on those forums, but for big things, there is no strikes system to keep track of very minor things that an accumulation of which leads to a ban, that is in place to my knowledge.
What other forums do is entirely irrelevant here. They are not us, we are not them, and trying to change ourselves to be more like a less-disciplined forum just seems like a large step backwards.
Any user that simply stops posting or leaves because of a warning for an improper action is not a user that was going to be very contributory or beneficial for the forum environment in the first place, typically.
A repeat-offender of any kind should be punished. If they continue to ignore the large gratuity of warning shots, temp bans, etc. then the hammer comes down on them. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly find fault with it, to be honest.
I'm not complaining, or trying to change ANYTHING!!!! I'm just saying new members should be given a little pre-warning, than being instantly reprimanded for a silly oversight... that is all, I mentioned the other forums because I have been a contributing member to many others for several years, and until this forum, I as a new member, was not familiar with a 'warning system' as all of the other forums I'm on don't 'warn' they ban for serious things, such continual rudeness/obligatory comments repeatedly, scams etc... I've never been 'warned' for "not elaborating"
Yeah they do get a pre warning, it's thier first and their second, that is not strict at all, other forums that I have been on you get a 24 hour suspension for your first warning, here you don't get suspened till your third warning.
I really think its more strict to the newbies on the website rather than expiedienced. Correct me if i am wrong.
Trust me, you have to go to absolutely cartoonish lengths to actually get banned from this forum. If anything, the first warnings are handed out quickly enough that, hopefully, the offending user will do an about-face as soon as possible and begin posting properly after what is perceived to be a harsh reprimand.
Obviously we will lose some sensitive members to it, but the ones that come through will be overall better posters for having done so. Every warning prior to 100% is a pre-warning.
I probably could've spent my first two weeks here acting like Daffy Duck, and still not be at 80%. Instead, I chose to be immediately aware of the rules and posting habits on the board before commencing my own registration.
Is that really too much to ask of anyone? I mean, really?
(Oct. 14, 2011 10:58 PM)drakio Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah they do get a pre warning, it's thier first and their second, that is not strict at all, other forums that I have been on you get a 24 hour suspension for your first warning, here you don't get suspened till your third warning.
I didn't get a pre-warning
(Oct. 14, 2011 11:03 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2011 10:58 PM)drakio Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah they do get a pre warning, it's thier first and their second, that is not strict at all, other forums that I have been on you get a 24 hour suspension for your first warning, here you don't get suspened till your third warning.
I didn't get a pre-warning
are you banned from this site? NO, just like what Hazel said, all of the warning are pre-warning up until you get banned and you are not banned so you have gotten a pre-warning.
(Oct. 14, 2011 11:02 PM)TheInGreek Wrote: [ -> ]I really think its more strict to the newbies on the website rather than expiedienced. Correct me if i am wrong.
They are not more strict on anyone from my observations, it's just that the new people make bigger mistakes than the expirenced posters. Even if they are more strict on the newbies, it's for a good cause and thats to make them better posters.
Well that's semantics.... It says WARNING, not BAN, I'm not speaking about a BAN,
Like I said, don't really care... I just posted my opinion, yeah I think they could be a little more laid back, but thats just my personality, you all are entitled to your opinion just as I am... so yeah whatevs
(Oct. 14, 2011 11:10 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ]Well that's semantics.... It says WARNING, not BAN, I'm not speaking about a BAN,
It can take anywhere between one and one hundred warnings before a ban is issued. I doubt anyone's ever gotten fewer than 3 aside from blatant cases of account suicide.
You don't need a pre-warning. No one does. Every single one before the last one, or last three if you prefer baseball rules, is your pre-warning.
You are the one arguing semantics, here.
@ gibsonmac Well you said that you did not get a pre-warning, now what are you meaning by this. Are you saying that you do not have a warning or are you saying that you didn't get a pre warning just a normal warning?
(Oct. 14, 2011 11:10 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: [ -> ]Well that's semantics.... It says WARNING, not BAN, I'm not speaking about a BAN,
Like I said, don't really care... I just posted my opinion, yeah I think they could be a little more laid back, but thats just my personality, you all are entitled to your opinion just as I am... so yeah whatevs
Obviously you are backing out now becuase you realize that you are wrong, but it's "whateves".