I decided to take some comparison photos of DF145 and W145, to help people understand why we compare the two so much, and to give an overall better visual to members who don't have it. I know they aren't Nocto level xD But I tried with the bad lighting I have at my house.

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You have awesome recolors of JB there! All I have is the crappy pale blue one from the Hasbro double pack; I'd love a clear one like that someday.

I'm not sure if the better stamina is from a down force or not, but I'd like to emphasize that my Phantom with W145 spun on WD's tip for long after the Phantom with AD145 started to scrape/process. Something about W145, be it wind forces or just the shape, keeps a custom using it upright better than most 145 variants I've used.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Haha, thanks, I'm sort of a JB enthusiast, so when a friend of mine at one of the tourneys offered to give them to me for free, I was verrrry happy

And I completely agree with you, W145 seems to consistently do it i the formal and informal testing I've done.

In a little bit here, I'll be testing W145 on other tips, to see how it performs on each, wish me luck.
EDIT: W145 is good, but just like AD145, isn't good with EDS or EWD. But really, did you expect anything more?
If you're wondering, W145EDS/EWD lost 100% against AD145WD (I don't have multiples of EWD or EDS..soo yeah, just put it up against da champ).

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BB-10
Beylauncher (with Launcher Rubber.)
Both WDs practically right out of the box.

Earth Ketos W145WD vs. Earth Ketos AD145WD
1. W145 (AD145 launched first.)
2. W145 (W145 launched first.)
3. W145 (repeat the pattern for the rest of testing.)
4. W145
5. W145
6. W145
7. W145
8. W145
9. W145
10. AD145
-WD switch.-
11. W145
12. W145
13. W145
14. AD145
15. W145
16. W145
17. W145
18. AD145
19. W145
20. AD145

W145 - 16/20, 80% win rate.
AD145 - 4/20, 20% win rate.
2 ties, re-done.

W145 > AD145
If you compare these to Ingulits results, they're very similar. Because Phantom is better than Earth, and has a longer spin time in general, the time of it spinning after it won was also increased. The wins for W145 had an average of 3-3.5 seconds left spinning. Because Phantom is better ( and the different Clear Wheel) it shows this 3-3.5 second range over an extended period of time. The WDs were also cleaned after every round to give max performance.

You would also assume that because I switched the WDs, AD145 would start winning - this is true, however what I found interesting is that when AD145 was paired with the WD after the part switch, it was the more worn one ( the other had been used around 10 times, I got it only a couple of days ago) so that might be something to look into outside of the thread. I found that odd, so I figured why not post it?
The more worn WD gave AD145 more Stamina, for those wanting a tl:dr, haha.

I'd definitely recommend W145 for any Stamina customization.

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How do I still have 17th most posts here...?

Woot woot let's start the W145 party up in hereee.
QUICK. Everybody use W145 at your next tournament so it's forced onto the Top Tier list!

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Woot woot let's start the W145 party up in hereee.
QUICK. Everybody use W145 at your next tournament so it's forced onto the Top Tier list!

You completely read my mind, haha! It'll be featured in my standard Stamina custom for sure

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

I'll be seeing it then xD
W145 has earned so much more respect from me in these last two days
TBH, I thought, just like most people, it was just another worthless gimmick track :C

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I could tell when I first saw it, it would be good for Stamina, but I didn't think it would outclass AD145!

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How do I still have 17th most posts here...?

I am doing some tests and W145 Looks good to me very actually.

Stadium: BB-10 But as I said above the dent No legal XD
Launcher: BB-115 But I broke the handle and out it back on (3 Times XD) So the string is short No Solo Spins and the gears are getting bad it will be fully dead in a little While.
Parts Wornity (?): Both a little worn one slightly Agro but the agro one is less worn oddly...
Agro=Hasbro Worn=TT

WDs Switched every 5 rounds, Earth MW switched at 10.
W145 launched first then alternate each round.
All Wins are as expected OSs Sometimes the Launch Power wasn't perfectly near Equal unfortunatly... (Semed the 2nd Bey launched would have slightly more Spin at first.) but I can't do legal testing just add support anyway.

Earth Bull AD145WD vs Earth Bull W145WD (Hasbro Bulls Hasbro Earth's AD is Hasbro 1 WD is Hasbro)

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1. W145
2. W145
3. W145
4. W145
5. W145
6. W145 (WDs Switched before Round)
7. W145
8. W145
9. W145
10. W145
11. AD145 (Earth MW and WDs Switched before Round)
12. AD145
13. AD145
14. W145 (Slide war )
15. AD145
16. AD145 (WDs Switched before Round)
17. AD145
18. AD145 (Slide War)
19. AD145
20. AD145
W145 Win Rate 55%
Look like 1 of the Earths is damaged. So I went to dark and prayed that it wasn't the WDs actually and CWs so I changed my TT face to a hasbro to make sure.

When there was an OS for W145 it seemed about to slide with some spins. When AD145 got an OS it was nearly spin at the about to slide with less RPM than W145 had when it won.

Same Conditions as testing above
Dark Bull AD145WD vs Dark Bull W145WD

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(Will be Updated Wanted to post the Earth's first)
1. AD145
2. W145
3. W145
4. W145
5. AD145 (W145 got a Unlucky slide)
6. W145 (WDs Switched before Round)
7. W145
8. W145
9. W145
10. W145 (Look lucky for it IMO)
11. W145 (WDs Switched before Round)
12. W145
13. W145
14. W145
15. W145
16. W145 (WDs switched before Round)
17. AD145
18. W145 (Barely)
19. W145
20. W145
W145 Win Rate 85%

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1st Place Beyblade Colosseum 1 2013
1st Place Five Fists Beyday (Maryland Beyday 2012)

25 Tournaments Attended: 9 Placed In

Tournament List

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Total 25 Tournaments, 2 HMS, 2 Plastics, 14 BB-10 MFB 7 Zero-G MFB 1 Limited

3/19/11 Spring Cherry Blossom ARISE
5/14/11 Blademore
5/29/11 Beydays come on
6/12/11 Fill my eyes double beyblade tournament
8/12/11 Summer Spin Showdown
9/18/11 Better Than School
10/16/11 The Dual Duel
11/19/11 Novembrr-Brawl
2/25/12 Leap Year Lashing
3/25/12 Cherry Blossom Combat 3rd Place
4/29/12 Spring Sortie 1st Place
5/26/12 Five Fist BeyDay 1st Place
7/22/12 The Triple Threat
8/12/12 The Lazy Hazy Swayz Beys of Summer
9/23/12 Autumn Assault 3rd Place
10/21/12 October Achtung 4th Place
11/17/12 Thrills, Spills, and Chills! 1st Place
2/2/13 Beyblade Colossuem 1st Place
3/24/13 Merry 2nd Anniversary 1st Place
4/21/13 Beyblade Revolution Qualifier
7/14/13 Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness!
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! 1st Place
3/30/14 GBT2: Maryland Qualifier

So how are non-legal tests, with Worn and Aggressive WDs, suppose to prove anything here...?

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They aren't very worn WDs just not Mint or NIB and I just wanted to support it a little. And the Dent in the Stadium never got in the way. And the Agro one just goes in a semi circle when first launched sometimes

EDIT: Lets take this to PM so we don't spam the thread up Zancrown. I should have stated where the dent was located sorry. Thanks Dan.
EDIT2ND: I will do 230 tests later.

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1st Place Beyblade Colosseum 1 2013
1st Place Five Fists Beyday (Maryland Beyday 2012)

25 Tournaments Attended: 9 Placed In

Tournament List

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Total 25 Tournaments, 2 HMS, 2 Plastics, 14 BB-10 MFB 7 Zero-G MFB 1 Limited

3/19/11 Spring Cherry Blossom ARISE
5/14/11 Blademore
5/29/11 Beydays come on
6/12/11 Fill my eyes double beyblade tournament
8/12/11 Summer Spin Showdown
9/18/11 Better Than School
10/16/11 The Dual Duel
11/19/11 Novembrr-Brawl
2/25/12 Leap Year Lashing
3/25/12 Cherry Blossom Combat 3rd Place
4/29/12 Spring Sortie 1st Place
5/26/12 Five Fist BeyDay 1st Place
7/22/12 The Triple Threat
8/12/12 The Lazy Hazy Swayz Beys of Summer
9/23/12 Autumn Assault 3rd Place
10/21/12 October Achtung 4th Place
11/17/12 Thrills, Spills, and Chills! 1st Place
2/2/13 Beyblade Colossuem 1st Place
3/24/13 Merry 2nd Anniversary 1st Place
4/21/13 Beyblade Revolution Qualifier
7/14/13 Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness!
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! 1st Place
3/30/14 GBT2: Maryland Qualifier

You said the dent was in the play area...how could it not get in the way?

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Can you test W145 vs 230?
I don't have W145, and so, i can't do this test.
But i think this test is useful for all
Thanks

It doesn't go anywhere near it, that's how.

It isn't rocket science...

terzinaccio
I'll be more than happy to.
You do mean in Stamina, correct?

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How do I still have 17th most posts here...?

terzinaccio
I'll be more than happy to.
You do mean in Stamina, correct?

Yes, in Stamina
Thank you

I would guess that W145 would kill 230 cause of the height but I will do more of my supporting and unhelping tests

So yeah
Everything besides battles

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Stadium: BB-10 Dent near tornado ridge makes illegal
Launcher: BB-115 Shorter String getting dead.
Beys: Darks NEW used less than 100 times. WD is not prime D is not prime. Bulls are Hasbro.
Launches: 100%

Dark Bull 230D vs Dark Bull W145WD

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Dark Bull 230D vs Dark Bull W145WD
CW switched every 5 rounds Dark switched 10.
230 Launched first alternate after.
Will be Updated
1. W145 (Barely Suprising)
2. 230
3. 230 (Slide War)
4. 230
5. W145
6. 230 (CW switched before round)
7. 230 (Battle of the Sliders)
8. W145 (Still close 230 Spiral Slide)
9. W145
10. 230
11. W145 (MW and CW switched before round)
12. 230
13. 230
14. 230
15. W145 (Early Distabilize)
16. 230 (CW Switched before round)
17. W145 (Ultiamate Distabilize)
18. 230 ( I stoped saying Slide war way to common)
19. W145
20. W145
W145 Win Rate 9/20 45%

Is Dark a Grinding wheel? I didn't assume it was...

Decided to to an AD145 Benchmark. (I know Benchmarks are more for attacks and skill but I just wanted a compairson)
Benchmark AD145 vs 230

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Dark Bull AD145WD vs Dark Bull 230D
Conditions in the above test.
AD145 Launched first then alternate.
CWs switched every 5 MWs Every 10
1. 230
2. AD145
3. 230
4. 230
5. 230
6. AD145 (CWs switched before round)
7. 230
8. AD145
9. 230
10. 230
11. 230 (MWs and CWs switched before round)
12. AD145
13. 230 (SCAPE DODGE)
14. 230
15. 230
16. 230 (2 second Victory) (CWs Switched before round)
17. AD145
18. AD145
19. 230
20. 230
AD145 Win rate 6/20 30%

I did 85 match ups a little later and compaired to AD145

W145 vs 85

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W145 Launched first alternate

1. 85
2. W145
3. 85
4. W145
5. 85
6. W145 (CWs Switched before Round)
7. 85
8. W145
9. 85
10. W145
11. W145 (MWs and CWs switched before round)
12. W145
13. 85
14. W145
15. 85
16. 85 (CWs and WDs switched before round)
17. W145
18. W145
19. 85 (KO)
20. W145
W145 Win Rate 11/20 55%

AD145 vs 85

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AD145 launched first then alternate

1. 85 (1 Spin)
2. AD145 (Still narrow win)
3. 85 ( 6 Spins)
4. AD145 (Larger Margin)
5. 85
6. AD145(CWs switched before Round)
7. 85
8. 85
9. 85
10. AD145
11. 85 (MWs and CWs Switched before Round)
12. 85
13. AD145
14. AD145
15. 85
16. AD145 (CWs switched before round)
17. 85
18. AD145
19. 85
20. AD145
AD145 Win Rare 45%

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1st Place Beyblade Colosseum 1 2013
1st Place Five Fists Beyday (Maryland Beyday 2012)

25 Tournaments Attended: 9 Placed In

Tournament List

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Total 25 Tournaments, 2 HMS, 2 Plastics, 14 BB-10 MFB 7 Zero-G MFB 1 Limited

3/19/11 Spring Cherry Blossom ARISE
5/14/11 Blademore
5/29/11 Beydays come on
6/12/11 Fill my eyes double beyblade tournament
8/12/11 Summer Spin Showdown
9/18/11 Better Than School
10/16/11 The Dual Duel
11/19/11 Novembrr-Brawl
2/25/12 Leap Year Lashing
3/25/12 Cherry Blossom Combat 3rd Place
4/29/12 Spring Sortie 1st Place
5/26/12 Five Fist BeyDay 1st Place
7/22/12 The Triple Threat
8/12/12 The Lazy Hazy Swayz Beys of Summer
9/23/12 Autumn Assault 3rd Place
10/21/12 October Achtung 4th Place
11/17/12 Thrills, Spills, and Chills! 1st Place
2/2/13 Beyblade Colossuem 1st Place
3/24/13 Merry 2nd Anniversary 1st Place
4/21/13 Beyblade Revolution Qualifier
7/14/13 Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness!
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! 1st Place
3/30/14 GBT2: Maryland Qualifier

I would guess that W145 would kill 230 cause of the height but I will do more of my supporting and unhelping tests

So yeah
Everything besides battles

Spoiler (Click to View)

Stadium: BB-10 Dent near tornado ridge makes illegal
Launcher: BB-115 Shorter String getting dead.
Beys: Darks NEW used less than 100 times. WD is not prime D is not prime. Bulls are Hasbro.
Launches: 100%

Dark Bull 230D vs Dark Bull W145WD

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Dark Bull 230D vs Dark Bull W145WD
CW switched every 5 rounds Dark switched 10.
230 Launched first alternate after.
Will be Updated
1. W145 (Barely Suprising)
2. 230
3. 230 (Slide War)
4. 230
5. W145
6. 230 (CW switched before round)
7. 230 (Battle of the Sliders)
8. W145 (Still close 230 Spiral Slide)
9. W145
10. 230
11. W145 (MW and CW switched before round)
12. 230
13. 230
14. 230
15. W145 (Early Distabilize)
16. 230 (CW Switched before round)
17. W145 (Ultiamate Distabilize)
18. 230 ( I stoped saying Slide war way to common)
19. W145
20. W145
W145 Win Rate 9/20 45%

Is Dark a Grinding wheel? I didn't assume it was...

Decided to to an AD145 Benchmark. (I know Benchmarks are more for attacks and skill but I just wanted a compairson)
Benchmark AD145 vs 230

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Dark Bull AD145WD vs Dark Bull 230D
Conditions in the above test.
AD145 Launched first then alternate.
CWs switched every 5 MWs Every 10
1. 230
2. AD145
3. 230
4. 230
5. 230
6. AD145 (CWs switched before round)
7. 230
8. AD145
9. 230
10. 230
11. 230 (MWs and CWs switched before round)
12. AD145
13. 230 (SCAPE DODGE)
14. 230
15. 230
16. 230 (2 second Victory) (CWs Switched before round)
17. AD145
18. AD145
19. 230
20. 230
AD145 Win rate 6/20 30%

I did 85 match ups a little later and compaired to AD145

W145 vs 85

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W145 Launched first alternate

1. 85
2. W145
3. 85
4. W145
5. 85
6. W145 (CWs Switched before Round)
7. 85
8. W145
9. 85
10. W145
11. W145 (MWs and CWs switched before round)
12. W145
13. 85
14. W145
15. 85
16. 85 (CWs and WDs switched before round)
17. W145
18. W145
19. 85 (KO)
20. W145
W145 Win Rate 11/20 55%

AD145 vs 85

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AD145 launched first then alternate

1. 85 (1 Spin)
2. AD145 (Still narrow win)
3. 85 ( 6 Spins)
4. AD145 (Larger Margin)
5. 85
6. AD145(CWs switched before Round)
7. 85
8. 85
9. 85
10. AD145
11. 85 (MWs and CWs Switched before Round)
12. 85
13. AD145
14. AD145
15. 85
16. AD145 (CWs switched before round)
17. 85
18. AD145
19. 85
20. AD145
AD145 Win Rare 45%

Hmmm, and so the W145 is better than AD145 ...
But I don't know if the Dark is good for this kind of test :\
Anyway, thank you very much

Tbh it doesn't matter what wheel you use for mirror testing as long as they're the same so Dark is fine.

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So Zancrow, you'll definitely be seeing me use W145 in the tournament, but maybe not in the way you're expecting.

On a completely, totally unrelated note, I think I found a new favorite Flash setup.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Well, I think I'm expecting it in the right way now
Sadly, I have no place in my combos to fit in a W145 combo

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I've added mirror tests against 90 and TH170 to the OP, and slightly reorganized previous testings.
I'll conduct 230 comparatives tomorrow.

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This is what we all want, Brad.

So, it's beating LTSC too? Whatttttttttt

Could you do AD145 vs 90 for comparison? I'd greatly appreciate it.

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I'll try to get that done tomorrow alongside the 230 tests.

EDIT:
AD145 v. 90 Comparatives:
Alternating launches
Bottoms switched fifteen matches in

Earth Pegasus II AD145WD v. Earth Pegasis II 90WD
US: 1 OS
IS: 29 (1 KO, 28 OS)
Ties: 0

AD145 Average Win Rate: 3%

(accidentally sniped AD145 once, so that's where the KO came from)


I didn't have the time to test 230 today because I was busy retesting 90. Originally with the AD145 v. 90 tests, my 90's Track alignment was slightly off, so the combo was a little off-kilter, resulting in AD145 winning. I straightened it out and 90 started winning again, so I retested W145 v. 90 and got similar results. I guess my 90 wasn't aligned well yesterday, so I've updated the OP with the today's tests and will work to get 230 tomorrow.

EDIT: Finally got through with the 230 tests and added them to the OP.

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This is what we all want, Brad.

Yesterday, I used Duo Cancer W145MB vs Duo Bull 230MB, and I lost 3-1.
So, i think that W145 is an excellent track vs other 145, 85, and the other track lowest, but vs 230, is similar to the other track 145...

But for me, this track, is very strong.

I myself really enjoy using my W145. It seems pretty awesome. I'll try doing some tests when I look up good competitive testing combos xD

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