No threads on this so Imma start a testing thread on Attack Layers
Before anyone say "yeah we all know about this",
the point of this thread is to archive concrete proof and results of how a layer/combo is better at attack than another one since testing threads arent thing anymore :(
I'll be posting the videos of these test results as much as i can to prove that nothing was rigged. I must say that before each tests were conducted, i will spent about 10-15 minutes perfecting my launches and flower pattern to maximize the chances of the attack beys winning (because to test attack types we need to ensure the best conditions for them to win, dont we?)
I'll run more tests when im free, feel free to add on ur tests if u have any :D
disclaimer: I am not the most skilled attack blader out there for sure, but i have multiple experiences and wins of using Xtreme' in G4 WBBA tournaments so i believer my launch skills should be sufficient enough for the tests. of course the results may vary from blader to blader so take the results with a pinch of salt.
1) Testing Xiphoid, Ultimate, Zest & Savior on Giga Xtreme'
Guilty: Testing not needed. 17g of heavyweight with 2 hard-hitting contact points on each side, we already know Guilty is an S-Tier layer that is capable of demolishing any combo with at least 50% win rate, with sufficient skill and practice.
Xiphoid: Probably the best right-spin Attack layer in my opinion. It is consistent enough to KO Vanish. At other times, Xiphoid could at least push Vanish out of the stadium. Has sufficient recoil and recoil control, probably due to to its heavier weight compared to many other Attack layers (13g). It is probably the most unbalanced layer in DB/BU (not surprising). However, unlike the other Xcaliburs, Xiphoid is probably one of, if not, the tamest Xcalibur layer. It's not too hard to master and get the hang of it. The heaviness kinda negates the unbalanced nature of the layer, in my opinion.
Ultimate: A lot of outspin losses. I think Ultimate + Giga is not a good combo. Most of the time, it just does not have the recoil needed to KO Vanish. Yes, I know that Nexus + S-Gear is better on Ultimate, but for the sake of consistency I used Giga in this case. I've tried launching sliding shoot and straight shoot, but it's very hard for Ultimate + Giga to even just push Vanish out of the stadium. I will do a testing of Ultimate + Nexus + S-Gear soon for comparison before giving my concrete opinion on Ultimate.
Zest: When I first saw pictures of Zest before its release, I thought it'd be a great attack layer, due to the knobs protruding outwards. Unfortunately all I got was 9g of pure disappointment. I thought that it'd be 11g or more like the other Attack layers. The knobs are also very thin, so not much recoil is produced. I gave it Perseus instead of Valk2 just so to maximize its weight. It still performed worse than Ultimate + Giga. It just cannot give strong blows to Vanish. Every time Zest hits Vanish, it just pushes it back but not far enough to KO Vanish. I wish it had metal for the Achilles armor plate. That way, I believe Zest could do a bit better, somewhere along slightly below Xiphoid level maybe.
Savior: Savior hits hard for the first few hits when the battle starts. I definitely see larger recoil in Savior than the other layers. However, this also causes it to lose steam quite fast. In fact, the recoil is so high that this is the only layer that burst during testing at least once. If it doesn't KO Vanish in the first few hits, it is most likely gonna lose to an outspin. Even though the win rate is a bit low, I believe that with sufficient practice, one can master Savior as an Attack type layer very well.
Current ranking, in my opinion:
S-Tier:
1. Guilty
A-Tier:
1. Xiphoid (I'd say A+ tier)
2. Savior
B-Tier:
1. Zest
Needs more testing:
Ultimate
Before anyone say "yeah we all know about this",
the point of this thread is to archive concrete proof and results of how a layer/combo is better at attack than another one since testing threads arent thing anymore :(
I'll be posting the videos of these test results as much as i can to prove that nothing was rigged. I must say that before each tests were conducted, i will spent about 10-15 minutes perfecting my launches and flower pattern to maximize the chances of the attack beys winning (because to test attack types we need to ensure the best conditions for them to win, dont we?)
I'll run more tests when im free, feel free to add on ur tests if u have any :D
disclaimer: I am not the most skilled attack blader out there for sure, but i have multiple experiences and wins of using Xtreme' in G4 WBBA tournaments so i believer my launch skills should be sufficient enough for the tests. of course the results may vary from blader to blader so take the results with a pinch of salt.
1) Testing Xiphoid, Ultimate, Zest & Savior on Giga Xtreme'
- Xiphoid Valkyrie2 Giga Xtreme'-10 vs Vanish Longinus Over Bearing'-9
XpVL2.Gg.X'-10: 5 KOs
VLN.Ov.Br'-9: 2 OS, 3KOs
video here
- Ultimate Valkyrie2 Giga Xtreme'-10 vs Vanish Longinus Over Bearing'-9
UlVL2.Gg.X'-10: 3 KOs
VLN.Ov.Br'-9: 4 OS, 3KOs
video here
- Zest Perseus Giga Xtreme'-10 vs Vanish Longinus Over Bearing'-9 (using Perseus instead of Valk2 because Zest layer is under 10g, pretty lightweight. as reference, Guilty layer is about 17g.)
ZsVL2.Gg.X'-10: 2 KOs
VLN.Ov.Br'-9: 5 OS, 3KOs
video here
- Savior Valkyrie2 Giga Xtreme'-10 vs Vanish Longinus Over Bearing'-9
SVL2.Gg.X'-10: 3 KOs
VLN.Ov.Br'-9: 3 OS, 3KOs, 1 Burst
video here
Final thoughts!
Guilty: Testing not needed. 17g of heavyweight with 2 hard-hitting contact points on each side, we already know Guilty is an S-Tier layer that is capable of demolishing any combo with at least 50% win rate, with sufficient skill and practice.
Xiphoid: Probably the best right-spin Attack layer in my opinion. It is consistent enough to KO Vanish. At other times, Xiphoid could at least push Vanish out of the stadium. Has sufficient recoil and recoil control, probably due to to its heavier weight compared to many other Attack layers (13g). It is probably the most unbalanced layer in DB/BU (not surprising). However, unlike the other Xcaliburs, Xiphoid is probably one of, if not, the tamest Xcalibur layer. It's not too hard to master and get the hang of it. The heaviness kinda negates the unbalanced nature of the layer, in my opinion.
Ultimate: A lot of outspin losses. I think Ultimate + Giga is not a good combo. Most of the time, it just does not have the recoil needed to KO Vanish. Yes, I know that Nexus + S-Gear is better on Ultimate, but for the sake of consistency I used Giga in this case. I've tried launching sliding shoot and straight shoot, but it's very hard for Ultimate + Giga to even just push Vanish out of the stadium. I will do a testing of Ultimate + Nexus + S-Gear soon for comparison before giving my concrete opinion on Ultimate.
Zest: When I first saw pictures of Zest before its release, I thought it'd be a great attack layer, due to the knobs protruding outwards. Unfortunately all I got was 9g of pure disappointment. I thought that it'd be 11g or more like the other Attack layers. The knobs are also very thin, so not much recoil is produced. I gave it Perseus instead of Valk2 just so to maximize its weight. It still performed worse than Ultimate + Giga. It just cannot give strong blows to Vanish. Every time Zest hits Vanish, it just pushes it back but not far enough to KO Vanish. I wish it had metal for the Achilles armor plate. That way, I believe Zest could do a bit better, somewhere along slightly below Xiphoid level maybe.
Savior: Savior hits hard for the first few hits when the battle starts. I definitely see larger recoil in Savior than the other layers. However, this also causes it to lose steam quite fast. In fact, the recoil is so high that this is the only layer that burst during testing at least once. If it doesn't KO Vanish in the first few hits, it is most likely gonna lose to an outspin. Even though the win rate is a bit low, I believe that with sufficient practice, one can master Savior as an Attack type layer very well.
Current ranking, in my opinion:
S-Tier:
1. Guilty
A-Tier:
1. Xiphoid (I'd say A+ tier)
2. Savior
B-Tier:
1. Zest
Needs more testing:
Ultimate
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