(Apr. 01, 2021 8:56 PM)Admiral W Wrote:(Apr. 01, 2021 8:46 PM)MasterChef Wrote: Rnataro made Lane caught off-gaurd, when Lane did LTE, he coudn't recover in time because of Rantaro. So Valt swooped in and took him out, it wasn't raw power, it was Lucifer not recovering in time and Rantaro sacirficing him self, you could baisically say Valt won by fluke, Valt used a special move when Lane didn't use one. AIga and Lane didn't use special moves. ANd also Rangiro is trash and can't do anything. I know you don't want to talk about Cho-Z but in GT, all Valt did was have 3 unoffical battles facing bladers who were very weak at the time(Drum and Amane), at least Aiga beat Drum when he had a very good amount of skill/strength.
Lane used LTE and bursted Rantaro. There was nothing for Lane to recover from. Valt then knocked him out with Brave Sword. It was Valt's power that knocked him out the stadium. It certainly wasn't Rantaro seeing as he was bursted already. And Ranjiro isn't trash, at least not by the time of the tag tournament. That hyper tornado was extremely powerful as was clear from the episode, that tornado was the sole reason Aiger bursted Rantaro and knocked out Valt. On the point of GT, yes they were further along in their development when Aiger faced them, but given how severally Valt outclassed them when they battled there's nothing to suggest he wouldn't have done the same at a later juncture. So in GT they were about equal and by sparking Valt is the stronger blader.
(Apr. 01, 2021 8:49 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: All Achilles did was go higher there was no additional power being given to Achilles.There certainly was, lifting Achilles that high gave it a boost in speed in power as it descended, that's the whole point of the hyper tornado.
To be fair, Valt did have 3 win conditions that allowed him to knock out Lean in the first place.
1. Rantaro sacrificed himself to waste Limit Break The End, which could take out Valkyrie easily.
2. Lucifer was knocked off balance from Valkyrie and Ragnurak's combo. Definitely lost some stamina after those consecutive attacks.
3. Lean was surprised that Valt was coming after him immediately after he thrashed Rantaro.
Now, I'm not saying that Valt doesn't have any raw power, but he definitely would not have come anywhere close without all of those 3 things, before you could even SPEAK about power.
I'm also not saying that Aiga's stronger either. He also had multiple win conditions allowing him to take out Rantaro and Valt is an easy fashion. Point I'm getting at here, is that Valt and Aiga are already even enough as it is. Imo, Aiga's just lagging behind by a hair, just like Shu. Rankings don't always mean everything, especially when they come from the manga continuity, and not the anime's. Still, I think the anime rolls with it for the most part, and Valt has outperformed Aiga in Sparking, mainly with the Lean battle.
Long story short, I believe that at MOST Valt is slightly above Aiga, if not at LEAST even with him.