No I just meant each team had a takao, Kai, max, and Rei type person on their team. Case in point the majestics. Enrique would be the Rei, Robert would be the Kai, Johnny the takao, and Oliver is similar to max.

Although all the teams presented were similar to team bba they failed because of flaw in their team. For the white tigers it was narrow mindedness, for the majestics they were not a coherent team. And team Borg/demolition boys failed because they were essentially trying to take over the world through stealing the power of the spirits in the beyblade and planned on using them for profit

As for Ray in g revolution. He was essentially the catalyst for everyone leaving the team in the first place. So he didn't have problems but started all the problems.

Rewatched the BEGA arc with my partner over the last week and got this random thought with the Brooklyn battles and some hilarious in hindsight concerning Rob Tinkler who later went on to voice MFB protagonist Gingka Hagane (though I remember finding hilarious that he went from Brooklyn to the new protagonist when MFB first came round).

"What if Gingka was a reincarnation of Brooklyn having had the Beyblading Spirit anvil dropped on him during his life which is why Gingka always talks about the Blader's spirit"

I also couldn't help but notice plot inconsistencies like why was Tyson and the the others so surprised he was facing Brooklyn when Garland told them the previous night? Funny how Brooklyn's "reality warping powers" in 51 were not carried over in 52 and it was mentioned about the world facing destruction, Hiro's inner thoughts at the end of 50 and some of 51 were antagonistic when he wasn't joining BEGA for that purpose oh and how Kai worked out exactly what Hiro's true intentions were in 38.

I found the Ray vs. Tyson battle in 37 hilariously stupid, they didn't know if they could get any spare beyblade parts at the time so clearly the best idea was they battle so Ray can work out his crappier Kai-wannabe tendencies in GRev while epicly failing to empathize with Tyson "geez man what person close to this teen hasn't joined the opposing team at some point?" Granger (who at this point probably really needs a therapist/counselor)

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Adding up to Killer-Kirsty, Tyson's team literally didn't even CONSIDER choosing a fifth blader for the Justice 5 tournament from their friends. They had limited Bey parts for the metal designs and they STILL created a Dranzer with Kai having betrayed them and being missing? It would've made much more sense if they had created a sixth Bey for Rick, Lee or whomever anyways so they could start training with the metal system early enough and not one day before a fifth blader would have to battle. xD
What I'm implying is simply that it was way too obvious even for the creators that Kai would return to them in time lmao

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Adding up to Killer-Kirsty, Tyson's team literally didn't even CONSIDER choosing a fifth blader for the Justice 5 tournament from their friends. They had limited Bey parts for the metal designs and they STILL created a Dranzer with Kai having betrayed them and being missing? It would've made much more sense if they had created a sixth Bey for Rick, Lee or whomever anyways so they could start training with the metal system early enough and not one day before a fifth blader would have to battle. xD
What I'm implying is simply that it was way too obvious even for the creators that Kai would return to them in time lmao

I think at that point Kai switching teams is just another day to Tyson and co. but yes agreed especially since how well Rick and Lee held Crusher and Ming back quite well in episode 50 interestingly enough I think more characters had HMS Beyblades in the manga (it was more to do with the championships though).

Adding to that it really blows how anyone not named Tyson or Kai weren't allowed to beat a BEGA blader in the Justice 5 Tournament, I found it jarring how they nerfed Daichi in particular for plot convenience (losing to bloody Ming of all people and having his character downplayed becoming Tyson's cheerleader essentially), how contrived Ray vs Crusher was (seriously don't get me started on that one...all I am gonna say is it pre-dated talent show glurge) and how Max's match didn't really start until halfway though 45 compared with the other BEGA matches Tyson vs. Garland non withstanding (Max did get some character story which was enjoyable however they dragged out the starting the match too long).

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Yo I have no complaints at all for the whole Justice 5 arc. Everything that happened with Rei and Max was ultimately very comprehensible and predictable.

Clearly everybody in BBA Revolution would defeat Rick and any other side character though. There is no question that the team's best chance lied in Kai and by that time Kyoujyu or whoever was already used to creating upgrades for those main Beyblades anyway. It was either Kai or nothing.

Takao being shocked when he faced Brooklyn was most likely a script error of the dub. Something else must have been said in the original script that actually made sense.

I actually really love the Justice 5 arc, it is very fitting as a final arc for the original series and he battles are so epic, and the tensions are the highest it's ever been in the series apart from the World Championships. I also love that they have most of the cast from this series to group and work together.

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I also couldn't help but notice plot inconsistencies like why was Tyson and the the others so surprised he was facing Brooklyn when Garland told them the previous night? Funny how Brooklyn's "reality warping powers" in 51 were not carried over in 52 and it was mentioned about the world facing destruction, Hiro's inner thoughts at the end of 50 and some of 51 were antagonistic when he wasn't joining BEGA for that purpose oh and how Kai worked out exactly what Hiro's true intentions were in 38.

A lot of those mistakes come from the Nelvana dub. When Brooklyn walks in in the Italian version, the team expresses surprise at his appearance/demeanor.

It's never actually clear what Hitosh's intentions are, as he never confirms them. Kai guesses why Hitosh joined, but it is implied, also by Kai, that the discovery of Brooklyn's abilities may have changed what he wanted to do.

I found the Ray vs. Tyson battle in 37 hilariously stupid, they didn't know if they could get any spare beyblade parts at the time so clearly the best idea was they battle so Ray can work out his crappier Kai-wannabe tendencies in GRev while epicly failing to empathize with Tyson "geez man what person close to this teen hasn't joined the opposing team at some point?" Granger (who at this point probably really needs a therapist/counselor)

Kyoujyu expresses the same concerns, but at this point Rei doesn't care. Rei is the only one who didn't get to have a real battle with Takao during the tournament, as they only faced when the latter was riddled with self-doubts. This disheartens Rei, which leaves him unwanting to join the fight. So it's either battle Takao or not battle at all. It's also a recurring theme that bladers express themselves through their Beys. It's a bit weird, but that's something you just have to accept as part of the world.

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Yo I have no complaints at all for the whole Justice 5 arc. Everything that happened with Rei and Max was ultimately very comprehensible and predictable.

Clearly everybody in BBA Revolution would defeat Rick and any other side character though. There is no question that the team's best chance lied in Kai and by that time Kyoujyu or whoever was already used to creating upgrades for those main Beyblades anyway. It was either Kai or nothing.

I actually really love the Justice 5 arc, it is very fitting as a final arc for the original series and he battles are so epic, and the tensions are the highest it's ever been in the series apart from the World Championships. I also love that they have most of the cast from this series to group and work together.

Don't get me wrong I love the BEGA arc, it was a welcome change of pace and fab way to end a series (Jinbee you say it best there), I know what you mean Kai-V but it was kinda like you said predictable (Kai or nothing included). I was just stating some observations from watching it this time around along with my Gingka reincarnated from Brooklyn theory.

From the other side of things while Daichi was nerfed and it was jarring it was nice to have Daichi not in our faces so much (another thing I noticed bearing in mind I always knew he was voiced by a woman was how womanly he began to sound towards the end of the series usually when screaming), seeing Max actually get a bit down and angry too made a change and also how mature and empathetic Tyson during the BEGA arc was cool.

Takao being shocked when he faced Brooklyn was most likely a script error of the dub. Something else must have been said in the original script that actually made sense.

A lot of those mistakes come from the Nelvana dub. When Brooklyn walks in in the Italian version, the team expresses surprise at his appearance/demeanor.

I thought that too, considering how many different writers they had I am not surprised at all also I know it was said in an earlier post that Nelvana gave themselves too much leeway to edit but that was broadcasting standards rather than Nelvana themselves. EDIT: Nocto that would make alot of sense.

Kyoujyu expresses the same concerns, but at this point Rei doesn't care. Rei is the only one who didn't get to have a real battle with Takao during the tournament, as they only faced when the latter was riddled with self-doubts. This disheartens Rei, which leaves him unwanting to join the fight. So it's either battle Takao or not battle at all. It's also a recurring theme that bladers express themselves through their Beys. It's a bit weird, but that's something you just have to accept as part of the world.

Ray didn't help matters by sending Lee to battle Tyson when given the opportunity to have a battle with Tyson during the first round of the championships feeling it was too soon even though that was why he went back to the White Tigers team now called White Tiger X, granted Tyson was already upset but Ray's act made him considerably worse. Ray caused alot of his own character problems (and others) then fails to realize why it carps other characters off throughout the Bakuten Shoot series (could be why he's my least favourite of the main guys)

I know what you mean by that's how they express themselves through beys but it certainly clouds common sense.

...oh my god I sound like Kenny XD!

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Actually, there is one line from the dub that did bother me as I'm revisiting G-Revolution now. In episode 8, when Tyson talks about how Kai left the team and stuff, he said that he would see him in the finals, when at that time, Tyson only knows Kai quitted and didn't know he was gonna join another team. Might just be an oversight.

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Actually, there is one line from the dub that did bother me as I'm revisiting G-Revolution now. In episode 8, when Tyson talks about how Kai left the team and stuff, he said that he would see him in the finals, when at that time, Tyson only knows Kai quitted and didn't know he was gonna join another team. Might just be an oversight.

It would explain why Tyson was OK with it all then not OK when he saw Kai with the Blitzkrieg Boys in episode 10. Tyson did alot of mood swinging/suffering from pressure during the first part of G-Rev and forgetting to practice what he preached to the Barthez Battalion team even without dub script errors/inconsistencies.

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This thought occurred to me while I was making dinner a few hours ago:

In my opinion, something that would make Beyblade Burst (or just Beyblade anime in general) a lot more interesting would be if Valt, the main character, never becomes the most powerful Blader in the show. Sure, Tyson, Gingka, and Zero lost matches every once in a while, but they were generally unimportant matches and only served as a plot device and set them up for a rematch which they would always win in the end anyways, while other characters failed.

With the relatively low-stakes battles in Burst, there can always be some character that is more powerful than Valt and also stays that way. Right now Shu and Kaizer are the only people that can beat him, but without reading ahead on the episode summaries my prediction would be that Kaizer beats Kensuke in the team match, and then Valt beats Kaizer (or at least scores a point on him). With that being said, I do like how Valt has gotten 'gud' in the past few episodes, he went from just getting lucky wins during the tournament to actually analyzing Shu/Yugo's strategies and figuring out how to beat them with actual skill instead of just spamming Rush Shoot.

I'm kind of getting off track from what I originally wanted to say, but basically it would be cool if it wasn't Valt who saves the day when all is said and done. Just because he's the main character doesn't mean he has to be the very best like no one ever was.

Not really as heavily invested in the anime as some of you other folks, so if this isn't like a valid point that's my bad. Also not sure if there's a separate thread for Burst Anime discussion so I just put it here.

Side note I realized halfway through writing this: this might be why I liked Metal Masters so much; IIRC Gingka didn't really do much during the finale, and it was Masamune and some of the other supporting characters who ended up being the big players (I might be misremembering, it's been years since I watched it).

I'm kind of getting off track from what I originally wanted to say, but basically it would be cool if it wasn't Valt who saves the day when all is said and done. Just because he's the main character doesn't mean he has to be the very best like no one ever was.

Very funny reference considering the show it's from has a protagonist who is never the most powerful character in the show

I'm kind of getting off track from what I originally wanted to say, but basically it would be cool if it wasn't Valt who saves the day when all is said and done. Just because he's the main character doesn't mean he has to be the very best like no one ever was.

Very funny reference considering the show it's from has a protagonist who is never the most powerful character in the show

I thought that too Bey Brad especially considering said protagonist's track record (and the uproar it causes though to be fair I think it is ridiculous they don't let him win at all)

Which is why I do disagree with some of your pov sorry Wombat but if they never became the most powerful blader unfortunately it would be quite frustrating rather than interesting just like of course Ash from Pokemon who after nearly 20 years of screentime still hasn't become the very best like no one ever was with writers clearly making more BS excuses for Ash not to win usually through the use of Gary-Stus of the region.

I do however think that they made the previous Beyblade protagonists more Tyson than Gingka the most powerful Blader in the world too fast and maybe it should be not until the finale of the story, with build-up throughout the seasons.

Hundred per cent agree about the Metal Masters finale which unfortunately they did a 180 of in Metal Fury sadly. And the fact of how protagonists become champions at the cost of other characters.

There needs to be a balance say with Ash on one end and Tyson/Gingka on the other for extremes of winning records of a shonen protagonist.

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Well... I feel like by making Ash lose every single time, it would make viewers watch the new series as they would never be fully satisfied with the ending because they know Pokemon is ongoing and isn't going away anytime soon, that's what I think anyway. While Beyblade only lasts a few seasons. I think that if the protagonist did something heroic or protagonist like but also didn't need to be the most powerful, that should be okay, enough for me to root for him but not groan at his OP state, after all, I don't want completely useless protagonists like Tiger from that god awful show Swirl Fighters, which is the worst Beyblade knock off.

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Well... I feel like by making Ash lose every single time, it would make viewers watch the new series as they would never be fully satisfied with the ending because they know Pokemon is ongoing and isn't going away anytime soon, that's what I think anyway. While Beyblade only lasts a few seasons. I think that if the protagonist did something heroic or protagonist like but also didn't need to be the most powerful, that should be okay, enough for me to root for him but not groan at his OP state, after all, I don't want completely useless protagonists like Tiger from that god awful show Swirl Fighters, which is the worst Beyblade knock off.

Oh, like how I gave up Pokemon half way through Gen 2 because it was clear they were going to add new 'mon that didn't even fit logically (Pichu for example) faster than Ash could catch them, rendering his quest futile and making the show's tagline a complete farce.
Utter magibullkarp.

I've just finished watching G-Revolution and I actually finaly realised something, when Kai received his HMS, how did he get a launcher and winder? Only Kyoju would have those things and I doubt he gave them because he was surprised Kai returned with Dranzer MS, I checked the Japanese version to make sure I didn't miss anything out and yeah, I don't think I did.

Also it's weird how Original Series had Bit Beasts while MFB doesn't, I mean since MFB is fantasy based anyway, it might as well have Bit Beasts, while the Original should have had metaphorical beasts being more flashy tournament based.

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Man Metal Fight Beyblade was so damn cool, apparently I stopped watching the episodes regularly right at the wrong time (around when Herschel and company are introduced):

I did not remember the relationship between Ryuuga and Daidouji being so 'heavy', wow.

I always thought you did finish it, and thought I was a mediorce snoozefest like I did. Well, the Ryuga vs Rago battle is one of my favourites I guess.

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I'm kind of getting off track from what I originally wanted to say, but basically it would be cool if it wasn't Valt who saves the day when all is said and done. Just because he's the main character doesn't mean he has to be the very best like no one ever was.

Very funny reference considering the show it's from has a protagonist who is never the most powerful character in the show

I'm kind of getting off track from what I originally wanted to say, but basically it would be cool if it wasn't Valt who saves the day when all is said and done. Just because he's the main character doesn't mean he has to be the very best like no one ever was.

Very funny reference considering the show it's from has a protagonist who is never the most powerful character in the show

I thought that too Bey Brad especially considering said protagonist's track record (and the uproar it causes though to be fair I think it is ridiculous they don't let him win at all)

Which is why I do disagree with some of your pov sorry Wombat but if they never became the most powerful blader unfortunately it would be quite frustrating rather than interesting just like of course Ash from Pokemon who after nearly 20 years of screentime still hasn't become the very best like no one ever was with writers clearly making more BS excuses for Ash not to win usually through the use of Gary-Stus of the region.

I do however think that they made the previous Beyblade protagonists more Tyson than Gingka the most powerful Blader in the world too fast and maybe it should be not until the finale of the story, with build-up throughout the seasons.

Hundred per cent agree about the Metal Masters finale which unfortunately they did a 180 of in Metal Fury sadly. And the fact of how protagonists become champions at the cost of other characters.

There needs to be a balance say with Ash on one end and Tyson/Gingka on the other for extremes of winning records of a shonen protagonist.

The Ash reference was kind of the point, actually.

I'm not saying Valt has to always lose, but I don't always want him going into an ultimately boring final match of a tournament because "he's the protagonist, we know he's going to win". If they want Burst to be a more "realistic, down to earth" take on Beyblade this would be a great way to do it. Just look at WBO tournaments for example. Sure, there are groups of "top tier" people that usually do well, but it isn't always the same person (or even same top three) who wins.

That is what I'm liking about Burst so far. I've only just finished the first tournament but the unexpected outcome coupled with Burst's focus on launch techniques makes it feel a lot more real and compelling.

MFB took the fantasy elements down a notch from its predecessor by making the reality of the Bit Beasts far less clear but Burst goes as far as to throw post launch control of one's beyblade into doubt. 15 episodes in, it's still uncertain whether the kids have that power or not and, IMO atleast, that's perfect. It should stay that way forever.

I don't want Burst to fall into the same Sisyphus-esque regime of Pokemon, with the main character being thrown new challenges every season why still getting no closer to completing the old, but, for now at least, Volt not winning everything is a nice change of pace.

I would definitely not say MFB took the fantasy elements down a notch when it has a talking dog and a literal god of Beyblade that's a monkey and Beyblades are actually from space.

Regarding how they affect gameplay, it did. It also lacked lycanthropes, pinnochio ripoffs and autistic savants who could recreate the entire world in their mind.
Oh and I'm pretty sure that space origin story isn't far from the origin of bit beasts.

I'm not saying MFB wasn't ridiculous. It was. I actually watched it largely for the hillarious pseudo-science. I'm just saying it toned down one of the major fantasy aspects of the series.

Honestly, I prefered it when (barring G-Revolution's finale) the entire fight wasn't able to be written off as a childish daydream/hallucination. The Hell Kerbecs fight really screwed the pooch when it drew attention to that failing.