Well physics at least in real life can be used to improve a beys performance; so it is entirely possible that gwyn designed a bey that was strong from the physics perspective

I don't particularly mind that. He still shouldn't have been as strong as he was.

Well all antagonists are potrayed like that even phi was potrayed like that. Just that in Gt's case it was completely rushed

I don't particularly mind that. He still shouldn't have been as strong as he was.

Well all antagonists are potrayed like that even phi was potrayed like that. Just that in Gt's case it was completely rushed

But the difference is, Gwyn was a newbie Blader. It was unreasonable that he became so powerful in a matter of days. Neither Phi, Hyde, Lui, or Arthur were newbies.

It's ok, you are good man .

Thanks for saying that

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If you could make your ideal season of Beyblade, what would it include? What would the story be?

If you could make your ideal season of Beyblade, what would it include? What would the story be?

I would do something like the metal fight bladers get revived in burst gen and the vilians of burst all come togather and put there beys and a ultimate nemesis like the name probaly nemesis requim and the then burst legends + mfb legends

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If you could make your ideal season of Beyblade, what would it include? What would the story be?

I would do something like the metal fight bladers get revived in burst gen and the vilians of burst all come togather and put there beys and a ultimate nemesis like the name probaly nemesis requim and the then burst legends + mfb legends

The crossover we need but don’t deserve.

If you could make your ideal season of Beyblade, what would it include? What would the story be?

It would be a thing more like GT or Burst where the stakes are low but it can directly go into another season with a big tournament or something (like god).

Here's a very low quality story Im making up as Im writing this

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So a boy, lets call him MC (main character). MC is a local in Spain and is taking a trip to different towns around his area and finds the one where BC Sol is. He finds BC Sol and sees various people battling there like Delta,Valt,Kit,Free, etc. He gets excited to make a bey and goes around asking how to make one. He finds Raul and Raul agrees to make him a bey. So he makes his bey and goes to battle Kit, and loses. Anyways after that he returns to his area where there are a ton of bladers to challenge. He hears about a tournament and MC's interested, but getting in is hard. You have to register and beat other registered bladers. Once you've beat five, you can enter the tournament. So over the course of 5 episodes or whatever MC beats a 5 bladers.

The last blader he beats is apart of a beyclub, and the blader takes MC to join it since he's looking for one. He meets some more bladers and training equipment, so he trains the night away and grows his bond with his bey to the next level. Its the day of the tournament and rumors are spreading around that Kit is nearby from BC Sol and MC is hyped so he can rematch him. To do so, he has to face Kit in the finals at the tournament. He faces  3 main strong beys at the tournament, those being: A Spin Stealing Bey, A bey with metal, And a bey with some crazy gimmick. So he comes to the finals and faces Kit, and as a result of all the training and trials MC has been through, he wins. Kit is surprised but he sorta expected this as over time obviously MC is gonna get stronger. Anyways after the tournament MC is pretty bored but Kit stops by the Beyclub and informs everyone that Valt told him that Free was planning to host a training camp. MC is hyped up for it wants to begin to train. He rematch blader that introduced him to the club however blader wins this time.

MC sees what went wrong and takes this as a chance to improve further. Now the club heads out to the mountains where Free is holding his camp, along with the guy with the spin stealing bey, and the kid with the metal bey. They go through some trials and have a mini tournament to see what everybody's learned. The ones to make it to the finals are the guy with the spin stealing bey nd Free. Since Free cant Spin Steal his shows off his power and wins, as expected. At the night before everyone leaves MC challenges Free to a battle. During the final battle at the tournament MC was nowhere to be seen, as he was actually making an improved layer for his bey. This layer helps MC win the match. Free is impressed and the 2 sleep with everyone else, and in the morning everyone heads home to their locations.

The kid with the spin stealing bey goes home on the same route as MC's beyclub and tells MC a rumor that a mysterious blader has been sighted wrecking bey stadiums and destroying beys, but no one can get a glimpse of his face as the battles he has are done within the blink of an eye.

Its not a full story and I might expand on it later, but yeah. As a closing note I would also want each bey to be more simple but have a lot of customization.

I mean, surely math had to be one of the causes of his sudden power boost, why else would he gain strength so fast? Yes, plot armour is one reason but I wouldn’t say math doesn’t equal skill in the fictional beyblade universe? The writers/Morita obviously involved the concept of math for a reason. Gwynn’s whole goal was to effectively prove his calculations were perfect and superior to friendship, emotion and real bonding and while his use of math definitely made him strong, it was proven that his calculations didn’t truly make his blading perfect as he predicted and at the end of the day friendship prevailed. As for superior turbo, surely it has some meaning/cause since gold turbo and dark turbo do.

Gold turbo: occurs when the blader and bey have a super strong bond and want to battle as one.

Dark Turbo: The same as gold turbo but it instead is fuelled by an evil bond made up of negative emotions/desires.

Superior turbo (my interpretation) an artificial bond 
created by (seemingly) math and a bey/blader who work towards a common goal but are not particularly friends/close partners (implied from Gwynns interactions with genesis).
 
Apart from math we also have to consider the fact that Gwynn based his beys design on both Prime apocalypse and Imperial Dragon, two beys that were extremely powerful at that time.

My gripe is that his level of power is unreasonable to me. After only a couple of days he's destroying bladers left and right all due to math?  I can't subscribe to that. It's too ridiculous.

While I admit that him being overpowered may be ridiculous, I would still think that math would make sense since it’s explanation instead of nothing.

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Well all antagonists are potrayed like that even phi was potrayed like that. Just that in Gt's case it was completely rushed

But the difference is, Gwyn was a newbie Blader. It was unreasonable that he became so powerful in a matter of days. Neither Phi, Hyde, Lui, or Arthur were newbies.

Not really. He had already spent time making various strategies and an ultimate bey, all he had to do was apply hose to actually blading. After he made his first launch he got the hang of it, then actually applied all the various strategies and calculations and stuff.

But the difference is, Gwyn was a newbie Blader. It was unreasonable that he became so powerful in a matter of days. Neither Phi, Hyde, Lui, or Arthur were newbies.

Gwynn is a quick learner and a problem solver who has figured out every single problems, equations and questions thrown at him so it made sense that he was able to figure out Beyblading quickly.

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But the difference is, Gwyn was a newbie Blader. It was unreasonable that he became so powerful in a matter of days. Neither Phi, Hyde, Lui, or Arthur were newbies.

Not really. He had already spent time making various strategies and an ultimate bey, all he had to do was apply hose to actually blading. After he made his first launch he got the hang of it, then actually applied all the various strategies and calculations and stuff.

He had just gotten into blading. Blading experience plays a huge part in a bladers ability. What your basically saying that he use of math was all he needed to be on the level of these other powerful bladers.

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But the difference is, Gwyn was a newbie Blader. It was unreasonable that he became so powerful in a matter of days. Neither Phi, Hyde, Lui, or Arthur were newbies.

Gwynn is a quick learner and a problem solver who has figured out every single problems, equations and questions thrown at him so it made sense that he was able to figure out Beyblading quickly.

There have been many Bladers who were quick learners but it took them much more than a few days to stand alongside extremely powerful bladers.

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My gripe is that his level of power is unreasonable to me. After only a couple of days he's destroying bladers left and right all due to math?  I can't subscribe to that. It's too ridiculous.

While I admit that him being overpowered may be ridiculous, I would still think that math would make sense since it’s explanation instead of nothing.

I'm not saying that math can't assist in some way when it comes to blading. But for him to be that powerful based off math and only a few days worth of blading experience is the part that I find ridiculous.

Not really. He had already spent time making various strategies and an ultimate bey, all he had to do was apply hose to actually blading. After he made his first launch he got the hang of it, then actually applied all the various strategies and calculations and stuff.

He had just gotten into blading. Blading experience plays a huge part in a bladers ability. What your basically saying that he use of math was all he needed to be on the level of these other powerful bladers.

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Gwynn is a quick learner and a problem solver who has figured out every single problems, equations and questions thrown at him so it made sense that he was able to figure out Beyblading quickly.

There have been many Bladers who were quick learners but it took them much more than a few days to stand alongside extremely powerful bladers.

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While I admit that him being overpowered may be ridiculous, I would still think that math would make sense since it’s explanation instead of nothing.

I'm not saying that math can't assist in some way when it comes to blading. But for him to be that powerful based off math and only a few days worth of blading experience is the part that I find ridiculous.

Well I could say this is just an anime shenanigans unlike the manga where Gywnn is already a blader From the start

If he had been already been blading for a bit then that would be more reasonable.

Not really. He had already spent time making various strategies and an ultimate bey, all he had to do was apply hose to actually blading. After he made his first launch he got the hang of it, then actually applied all the various strategies and calculations and stuff.

He had just gotten into blading. Blading experience plays a huge part in a bladers ability. What your basically saying that he use of math was all he needed to be on the level of these other powerful bladers.

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Gwynn is a quick learner and a problem solver who has figured out every single problems, equations and questions thrown at him so it made sense that he was able to figure out Beyblading quickly.

There have been many Bladers who were quick learners but it took them much more than a few days to stand alongside extremely powerful bladers.

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While I admit that him being overpowered may be ridiculous, I would still think that math would make sense since it’s explanation instead of nothing.

I'm not saying that math can't assist in some way when it comes to blading. But for him to be that powerful based off math and only a few days worth of blading experience is the part that I find ridiculous.

Yeah, but everyone else went into blading clueless. he had already had an almost perfect strategy and calculations, so after the first match where he learned how to launch he was able to put those strategies to use. And he still does get strong over time as his bond grows with Genesis as well. Its a combination of insane skill and strong bond with your bey, and Gwyn just happened to get the skill more early on since instead of having to do a lot of trial and error he had already made a near perfect strategy on his own. And either way Even if he didn't have a strong bond or smarts, the genesis beys are just powerful in general.

I really want to see a xcalius upgrade so then it’s not weird.

He had just gotten into blading. Blading experience plays a huge part in a bladers ability. What your basically saying that he use of math was all he needed to be on the level of these other powerful bladers.

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There have been many Bladers who were quick learners but it took them much more than a few days to stand alongside extremely powerful bladers.

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I'm not saying that math can't assist in some way when it comes to blading. But for him to be that powerful based off math and only a few days worth of blading experience is the part that I find ridiculous.

Yeah, but everyone else went into blading clueless. he had already had an almost perfect strategy and calculations, so after the first match where he learned how to launch he was able to put those strategies to use. And he still does get strong over time as his bond grows with Genesis as well. Its a combination of insane skill and strong bond with your bey, and Gwyn just happened to get the skill more early on since instead of having to do a lot of trial and error he had already made a near perfect strategy on his own. And either way Even if he didn't have a strong bond or smarts, the genesis beys are just powerful in general.

But it was only a few days. That's the part that makes it unreasonable. There's no amount of math and foreknowledge that will make that make sense. And he observed beys and thought about how to make them, there's no evidence that he had balding strategies as well. And it wasn't till he met Drum that we saw him making predictions. It took years for many of these bladers to get where they are, so you're telling me that all you need is knowledge of math and a strong bey and you can already outstrip them in power in a matter of days?

Yeah, but everyone else went into blading clueless. he had already had an almost perfect strategy and calculations, so after the first match where he learned how to launch he was able to put those strategies to use. And he still does get strong over time as his bond grows with Genesis as well. Its a combination of insane skill and strong bond with your bey, and Gwyn just happened to get the skill more early on since instead of having to do a lot of trial and error he had already made a near perfect strategy on his own. And either way Even if he didn't have a strong bond or smarts, the genesis beys are just powerful in general.

But it was only a few days. That's the part that makes it unreasonable. There's no amount of math and foreknowledge that will make that make sense. It took years for many of these bladers to get where they are, so you're telling me that all you need is knowledge of math and a strong bey and you can already outstrip them in power in a matter of days?

You're completely missing a point I made. He didn't just randomly get into blading with no knowledge of it and quickly calculated everything to become strong. He had spent who knows how long studying and making various strategies as well as creating a strong bey. After getting his launch down all he had to do is put those strategies into action, and keep battling over time to unlock genesis, so then he can make a bond. And you know that Gwyn isn't on the power level of the people who trained for years like Valt......right?

But it was only a few days. That's the part that makes it unreasonable. There's no amount of math and foreknowledge that will make that make sense. It took years for many of these bladers to get where they are, so you're telling me that all you need is knowledge of math and a strong bey and you can already outstrip them in power in a matter of days?

You're completely missing a point I made. He didn't just randomly get into blading with no knowledge of it and quickly calculated everything to become strong. He had spent who knows how long studying and making various strategies as well as creating a strong bey. After getting his launch down all he had to do is put those strategies into action, and keep battling over time to unlock genesis, so then he can make a bond. And you know that Gwyn isn't on the power level of the people who trained for years like Valt......right?

We have no evidence that he was doing that. We saw him observing Arthur and Aiger's battle, that was the first battle he saw and there was no indication he was thinking up strategies based off that match. And again we never heard him even talk about launching techniques or launching trajectories. In fact it was Drum who had to teach him how to launch properly. I know he's not on the level of Valt, but he surpassed Delta (a blading prodigy) and Drum in days. Both those bladers had been blading for quite some time not to mention that Delta was a risen 3 member. The amount of power he gained in a couple of days was ridiculous.

Uve got to understand that even though it seems that gywn became strong very fast, it is possible in real life using physics to make a beyblade that can beat the top combo. While he had to master the launch it is easily possible to win in a battle with less experience, we have seen so many times that younger and less experienced bladers defeat the older ones in tournaments in real life

Uve got to understand that even though it seems that gywn became strong very fast, it is possible in real life using physics to make a beyblade that can beat the top combo. While he had to master the launch it is easily possible to win in a battle with less experience, we have seen so many times that younger and less experienced bladers defeat the older ones in tournaments in real life

We're talking strictly about the anime.

You're completely missing a point I made. He didn't just randomly get into blading with no knowledge of it and quickly calculated everything to become strong. He had spent who knows how long studying and making various strategies as well as creating a strong bey. After getting his launch down all he had to do is put those strategies into action, and keep battling over time to unlock genesis, so then he can make a bond. And you know that Gwyn isn't on the power level of the people who trained for years like Valt......right?

We have no evidence that he was doing that. We saw him observing Arthur and Aiger's battle, that was the first battle he saw and there was no indication he was thinking up strategies based off that match. And again we never heard him even talk about launching techniques or launching trajectories. In fact it was Drum who had to teach him how to launch properly. I know he's not on the level of Valt, but he surpassed Delta (a blading prodigy) and Drum in days. Both those bladers had been blading for quite some time not to mention that Delta was a risen 3 member. The amount of power he gained in a couple of days was ridiculous.

It literally showed him watching the Arthur battle and said he had studied other battles,beys, among variou other math related formulas to make the powercore system as the ultimate system. And yes, I know he had to learn how to launch properly. You still continue to miss the point. Once he learned how to launch, all he had to do was put his strategies into action and battle more and more to unlock Genesis, then he can also create a bond. The amount of power he gained wasn't "ridiculous". Delta was a blading prodigy, but he was still not very strong compared to the later beys in the season. he had power, but still is able to lose. To keep it short he lost to arthur, why would he win against Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum had a very gradually rise up and they made it very clear Drum had just risen to about Gwyn's level. 

tl;dr: you keep missing the point. After learning to lunch Gwyn just put everything into the actual battle and then unlocked genesis, getting even stronger. he also made better and better strategies over time and even improved his infinite lock system. He started strong, ended strong. Delta lost to Arthur, so why would he win again Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum was just barely at Gwyn's level either way. The amount of power he gained was not ridiculous.

We have no evidence that he was doing that. We saw him observing Arthur and Aiger's battle, that was the first battle he saw and there was no indication he was thinking up strategies based off that match. And again we never heard him even talk about launching techniques or launching trajectories. In fact it was Drum who had to teach him how to launch properly. I know he's not on the level of Valt, but he surpassed Delta (a blading prodigy) and Drum in days. Both those bladers had been blading for quite some time not to mention that Delta was a risen 3 member. The amount of power he gained in a couple of days was ridiculous.

It literally showed him watching the Arthur battle and said he had studied other battles,beys, among variou other math related formulas to make the powercore system as the ultimate system. And yes, I know he had to learn how to launch properly. You still continue to miss the point. Once he learned how to launch, all he had to do was put his strategies into action and battle more and more to unlock Genesis, then he can also create a bond. The amount of power he gained wasn't "ridiculous". Delta was a blading prodigy, but he was still not very strong compared to the later beys in the season. he had power, but still is able to lose. To keep it short he lost to arthur, why would he win against Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum had a very gradually rise up and they made it very clear Drum had just risen to about Gwyn's level. 

tl;dr: you keep missing the point. After learning to lunch Gwyn just put everything into the actual battle and then unlocked genesis, getting even stronger. he also made better and better strategies over time and even improved his infinite lock system. He started strong, ended strong. Delta lost to Arthur, so why would he win again Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum was just barely at Gwyn's level either way. The amount of power he gained was not ridiculous.

I don't know what strategies your talking about. Do you have an example of one and when he started developing it? I don't have a gripe with Gwyn getting stronger, it's the degree of strength he achieved in a few short days is what I have a problem with.

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In addition, he studied the structure of beys in order to build one, not battle strategies. Which is why he had to be taught how to launch. He didn't have any strategies. Unless there was a battle strategy we saw him develop that I missed. If so, what episode?

It literally showed him watching the Arthur battle and said he had studied other battles,beys, among variou other math related formulas to make the powercore system as the ultimate system. And yes, I know he had to learn how to launch properly. You still continue to miss the point. Once he learned how to launch, all he had to do was put his strategies into action and battle more and more to unlock Genesis, then he can also create a bond. The amount of power he gained wasn't "ridiculous". Delta was a blading prodigy, but he was still not very strong compared to the later beys in the season. he had power, but still is able to lose. To keep it short he lost to arthur, why would he win against Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum had a very gradually rise up and they made it very clear Drum had just risen to about Gwyn's level. 

tl;dr: you keep missing the point. After learning to lunch Gwyn just put everything into the actual battle and then unlocked genesis, getting even stronger. he also made better and better strategies over time and even improved his infinite lock system. He started strong, ended strong. Delta lost to Arthur, so why would he win again Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum was just barely at Gwyn's level either way. The amount of power he gained was not ridiculous.

I don't know what strategies your talking about. Do you have an example of one? I don't have a gripe with Gwyn getting stronger, it's the degree of strength he achieved in a few short days is what I have a problem with.

As an example, the infinite shield thing. As time went on Gwyn and genes were able to perfect trajectories and spin, and made Hybrid go into a perfect spin. This is one of the goals gwyn would have to achieve to make it a perfect bey. And obviously he was always making more and more upgrades very consistently so he had the stuff in mind and was developing it already, just didn't finish it yet. And there was still lots of days during the whole Hell arc for Gwyn, from the time before just studying stuff and making formulas on hyper physics not related to beyblade, to seeing different beys and changing and upgrading to apply those formulas to beyblade, making the powercore system and a bey,unlocking genesis and finishing even more theories he was previously working on (like the big bang armor), and training at Hell. then showing his full strength during the final battle (something he wasn't expecting he needed).