It just needs to list things in an order of best to worst.

This is kind of precisely why I'm not a big fan of tier lists in general, which I don't make a secret of, as you full well know. In Beyblade, parts are completely circumstantial and as a result it's impossible to write such a list.

TBH, beywiki, when/if it is complete, would serve this purpose quite well with the various "types of combos" pages (eg zombies, compacts), though some of those need an update.

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It just needs to list things in an order of best to worst.

This is kind of precisely why I'm not a big fan of tier lists in general, which I don't make a secret of, as you full well know. In Beyblade, parts are completely circumstantial and as a result it's impossible to write such a list.

Of course. But i think that the role of a Tier List is to give a guide line to people that wanna play. In Plastic generation less than MF,but i guess that is quite clear that Basalt vs Dark is 100-0 for Basalt. This is the role of Tier List in my opinion.
Then,even if in the Plastic Generation is all more uncertain due to great quality and number of components,i think that putting some combos (of high level,of course) in the respective categories will help to play all; even the Bladers that have never took a Plastic in their hands!

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TBH, beywiki, when/if it is complete, would serve this purpose quite well with the various "types of combos" pages (eg zombies, compacts), though some of those need an update.

Yeah but realistically I don't think it's ever gonna be complete. Not properly complete with ever blade written about well. I think if there was a big effort we could do all the good useful ones but we don't have enough people who actively write for the wiki to do that. Anyway I think the one we already have is something good that we can build from to create a better one.

Of course. But i think that the role of a Tier List is to give a guide line to people that wanna play.

I agree with this definition.

@ th!nk:

What you're talking about is kinda verging away from what a tier list is.

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Someone is inevitably going to say "well that's why we have the current uncustomised tier list, it's already a what to buy list"

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TBH, beywiki, when/if it is complete, would serve this purpose quite well with the various "types of combos" pages (eg zombies, compacts), though some of those need an update.

Yeah but realistically I don't think it's ever gonna be complete. Not properly complete with ever blade written about well. I think if there was a big effort we could do all the good useful ones but we don't have enough people who actively write for the wiki to do that. Anyway I think the one we already have is something good that we can build from to create a better one.

This is the beautiful of Beyblade in my opinion
If it will be complete,no one will give its own contribute on it,and players or children that want only win like war machine,will not buy any Beyblade,but only the ones in the "perfect" tier list.
A Tier List mustn't be complete,it should only give a guide line to all enthusiast of this play. The imperfections are part of the play .

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I agree we need something better than that considering if it's supposed to be a resource that helps build knowledge then like you said we need a list that explains why those specific blades/parts are good. Here's what I was thinking:

Compacts

Galeon

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This is good because blah blah blah

Driger S
Bistool

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I think if we all co-operate we can eventually get all the categories of combo's together,

That said, Smash Attack should be simple, but we have:
Eight Spiker, Triple Wing, Cross Griffon (if/when legalised), and Triple Tiger (I guess?). Grip Base, Storm Grip, and SG Metal Flat (with an HMC). WD's 10 Wide, Wide Defense and Wide Survivor.

But then there are things using Fin Tectors with Driger F's shaft, or BK's casings +Wolborg 2's shaft, or heck, I guess even Uriel 2's tip (info is scarce on that, though).

We'd also have to work out if things were only good because of the conditions they battled in. Nolands combo, for example, has been mentioned by a few people to do rather poorly as we don't use weird hasbro finals stadiums.
(Also of note, Metal Ball Base w/4 balls is 1g lighter than HMC+SG Metal Change).

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That said, talking about how hard it is is almost making me keen on taking the challenge, ahah.

Upper attack is relatively simple, but then we need more work on Driger V2's parts, and that specialised upper combo that sits in the middle of the stadium that beywiki mentions, and other stuff.

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Yes,more or less is also my thought line

I think we must start writing here our impression,then write articles and put them in BeyWiki for Plastics that haven't got an article yet,and then write a Tier list!
In this way we can compare more thought line from all parts of the world,than we will be able to write strong and good articles for Beywiki and then when our ideas will be clear clear,we'll make a Top Tier List

Who's with me xD?

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Apparantely Uriel 2's base and tip are the best ones or at least one of the best for smash attack. However they break very easily because it goes so fast. I should know, i've got a partially broken Uriel 2 because of it

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Ahah, yes. There are articles that need more info/updates too (as I said, nolands combo, wherever it's mentioned, needs to be reviewed again), and Driger V2's article (had it been less "eh" about the bey, I may have stood a chance at my tourney, as I knew I'd face it).

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Tier lists :
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Question...#pid693404

Thanks for linking to that, none of them quite cover what we're discussing though, though they'll be useful sources, I pretty much learnt all I know about plastics from beywiki and good drafts and such, other than what I've learnt form asking, so yeah

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I say we get a few people to review all the plastic articles decide which give bryblade a modern view. Driger v2 example needs updating master dragoon i think. The AR is overatted i think dont like it as much as beybwiki says. dragoon G i dont get it just that the ar is the best part and it doesnt do that people get a wrong view. We change the tier lists something like galeons AR ect

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@ Kai-V: Thanks but we already know about that one and want to make a more detailed one.

Beaten.

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I just think you should base yourself heavily on that, and not really do modifications as you all seemed to be implying ... As I posted once, people who did those tier lists and those articles on Beywiki are veterans who extensively tested those parts already, and it is weird that, years later, when there are not even any new parts released for those systems, you could find that those things the veterans established are wrong ...

We haven't, except maybe for Cross Griffon in one specific combo so far. Everything I'm writing is based on that.

Other than Driger V2 of course, but as we saw on sunday, beywiki's article on it underrates it heavily.

Jotting down ideas for various categories, from memory, right now, btw.

And I'm only focussing on plastics, don't have any HMS myself

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I just think you should base yourself heavily on that, and not really do modifications as you all seemed to be implying ... As I posted once, people who did those tier lists and those articles on Beywiki are veterans who extensively tested those parts already, and it is weird that, years later, when there are not even any new parts released for those systems, you could find that those things the veterans established are wrong ...

In fact,in my opinion there's nothing to change. Only articles to add,works with tests and Tier list made of combos and not uncustomized Beys!
However,change something in the articles (after discussions between the testers) in my opinion dosen't represent a desire to change veterans work,but an article improved!

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We will actually need to test some things, as beywiki doesn't always state "THIS IS THE BEST PART FOR X". This is especially obvious for OHKO beys. That said, basically all we are doing is collating all that information into a single document for the good of everyone

Anyway, just a few notes here:

Upper Attack

Grip Base, Storm Grip, SG Metal Flat 2.
Upper Dragoon, Triangle Wing, Triple Tiger
10 Heavy, 6 Heavy (I want McFrown's input on this, and the same for compacts, as back in the day he made some great points about 6 heavy. He'd actually be really nice to have around for this project in general).
Neo Right SG+HMC.

That's the basic ones. Upper Claw + Upper Attack SP need to be included with a suitable base, and there are specialised ones.

The zombie article covers zombies pretty fully, and the compact article does similarly for compacts (though as I said, nolands combo needs re-testing).

OHKO is a very wide category, unless someone can drag out testing, I honestly do think we will want to retest parts to be sure, as beywiki doesn't really say "best part for OHKO combo's". Though, there are obvious things like Whale Crusher. Engine Gears seem to be an option here, I guess, it's still really hard to tell.

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We haven't, except maybe for Cross Griffon in one specific combo so far. Everything I'm writing is based on that.

Other than Driger V2 of course, but as we saw on sunday, beywiki's article on it underrates it heavily.

Jotting down ideas for various categories, from memory, right now, btw.

And I'm only focussing on plastics, don't have any HMS myself

I don't think so at all; yes, I wrote that Driger V2 pretty much swept my group, but the more I think about it, it never really faced anything remotely established as top-tier and when it did, it lost. I think this is definitely what Kai-V is alluding to, and I will add that the customisations on show on Sunday weren't particularly great, at least in the UK, since a lot of people didn't have the necessary parts. The wiki article is a little off with references like "200%", but I don't think there's anything glaringly wrong.

um my combo was what I would call top tier attack and it got crushed by Driger V2. It was:

AR: Triple wing
WD: Wide defence
SG: MG core
BB: Metal Flat

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Well, it did well at my tourney, and it beat Zombies, Compacts, and various other things. Plus at the least it's SP are notable. You can check the winning combo's threads for the details, but I had an extremely good zombie and compact. I also played a single round in free play using Ultra's combo but with 10 Wide, and lost by late game KO, fwiw.

That said, I'll withhold any further argument til mine actually arrives, I could have been wrong. Still, once my various items arrive, I'll have basically every well known top-tier part, so I guess that'll be good.

Also, while we can't argue with the numerous tests from "back in the day" I would point out that we are often using BB-10 instead of Tornado Attack/Balance/Balance S now, and just because we're testing "in the future", it doesn't make our testing any less notable if we get contrary results. Sure, maybe we did something wrong, but a few of us seem willing to test things right now, so we may be able to verify.

No disrespect to the people of OtC etc, but yeah.

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um my combo was what I would call top tier attack and it got crushed by Driger V2. It was:

AR: Triple wing
WD: Wide defence
SG: MG core
BB: Metal Flat

im suprised that got beaten by driger V2. Personally thats what id use at a tourney. how exactly does driger V2 beat all these combos OS or KO. Bewiki suggests both.

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We haven't, except maybe for Cross Griffon in one specific combo so far. Everything I'm writing is based on that.

Other than Driger V2 of course, but as we saw on sunday, beywiki's article on it underrates it heavily.

Jotting down ideas for various categories, from memory, right now, btw.

And I'm only focussing on plastics, don't have any HMS myself

I don't think so at all; yes, I wrote that Driger V2 pretty much swept my group, but the more I think about it, it never really faced anything remotely established as top-tier and when it did, it lost. I think this is definitely what Kai-V is alluding to, and I will add that the customisations on show on Sunday weren't particularly great, at least in the UK, since a lot of people didn't have the necessary parts. The wiki article is a little off with references like "200%", but I don't think there's anything glaringly wrong.

In fact, at my eyes, there's nothing wrong. And personally i'm not talking about the the Driger V2's power or weakness. I'm talking about the fact that THIS is the World BeyBlade Organization,and as BeyBlade Organization it must have complete articles and list of competitives combos of each categories as guide line for this generation and the future generation.
Atm, the most of children plays with MFB,because they don't know nothing about Plastics and HMSs!
They play with MF,because spots in TV talks about them. But we,as community,have the role to say all about our hobby/play!

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Both. But that one in particular, lacks the grip to survive and KO it. High Grip Smash Attackers seem to work fine against it.

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