So here you have it.

MFB
Equipment used:
BB-10 Attack Type Beystadium
Beylauncher L/R (No handle)
R²F MINT
CS Semi Aggressive

MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario E230CS vs. Thief Phoenic (Crystal Up Mode) R145R²F
Duo launched first.

MF-H Duo Aquario E230CS
16 OS
3 KO
19 wins, 95% win rate.

Thief Phoenic R145R²F
0 OS
1 KO
1 win, 5% win rate.

Duo got one KO of its own, the other two were Thief KO'ing itself.

MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario E230CS vs. Thief Phoenic (Chrome Up Mode) R145R²F
Duo launched first.

MF-H Duo Aquario E230CS
17 OS
2 KO
19 wins, 95% win rate.

Thief Phoenic R145R²F
0 OS
1 KO
1 win, 5% win rate.

MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario BD145CS vs. Thief Phoenic (Chrome Up Mode) R145R²F
Duo launched first.

MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS
12 OS
6 KO
18 wins, 90% win rate.

Thief Phoenic R145R²F
0 OS
2 KO
2 wins, 10% win rate.
1 tie.

MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario BD145CS vs. Thief Phoenic (Crystal Up Mode) R145R²F
Duo launched first.

MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS
19 OS
1 KO
20 wins, 100% win rate.

Thief Phoenic R145R²F
0 OS
0 KO
0 wins, 0% win rate.

MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario E230CS vs. Ifraid Phoenic R145R²F
Duo launched first.

MF-H Duo Aquario E230CS
19 OS
0 KO
19 wins, 95% win rate.

Ifraid Phoenic R145R²F
0 OS
1 KO
1 win, 5% win rate.

MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario BD145CS vs. Ifraid Phoenic R145R²F
Duo launched first.

MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS
10 OS
0 KO
10 wins, 100% win rate.

Ifraid Phoenic R145R²F
0 OS
0 KO
0 wins, 0% win rate.
(I was just getting tired of seeing Phoenic not doing anything, and I knew Duo would win 90-100% in the end.)



ZERO-G
Equipment used:
BBG-03 Zero-G Attack Type Beystadium
Beylauncher L/R (No handle)
R²F MINT
CS Semi Aggressive

MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario 230CS vs. Phoenic Ifraid E230CF
Duo launched first.

MF-H Duo Aquario 230CS
5 OS
1 KO
0 SKO
6 wins, 30% win rate.

Phoenic Ifraid E230CF
0 OS
0 KO
14 SKO
14 wins, 70% win rate.

Phoenic didn't really show its colors here, it was mainly to see if E230's gimmick paired with CF worked as it was intended to - well it does, haha.



So contrary to belief of a few members, Thief Phoenic has the power to achieve some "good" KO's against top tier Defense wheels.
Welp.
I was originally just trying to disprove that, so I went ahead and did that first.
The KO's for Phoenic were usually on the last battle (dunno why) and it would be a relatively powerful KO, but it's something that most wheels could achieve much easier. I'm not going to say much though, since I only have R145R²F tests up right now. Also, sorry I couldn't get many tests done, along with benchmarks, they will come soon. A Beylauncher with no handle can start to make your fingers sting a lot after over 100 battles in a row, haha. I just wanted to at least set the thread up, so other people could test and post their results. I'll try to get some more tests up tomorrow, but I have a slew of other threads to test for as well so yeah, haha. This came first since not much is known about Phoenic other than "hey it looks good for attack." I was also trying to do some tests for E230, so bear with me. When Synchromed, Phoenic usually has it's main contact points covered up. I don't think there's a Chromium Wheel that's been released that doesn't cover them up (I have Ifraid, Orojya, and Saramanda) and they all do the same thing.
Still too early to say whether or not Phoenic is good however, as this is barely anything. I know I should have experimented with other tracks for attack, but I was just making sure that it's clear what didn't work with it, haha. Difficult to do all of this since you have 2 REALLY top tier Defense setups to test against (MF-H Duo Aquario BD145/E230CS) which are totally different heights, so I was making sure that we all know how it does against it at different heights. Didn't make much of a difference, haha.
Phoenic in general has one spot on it (much like Ifraid) that always pushes the opponent around a LOT. I'm not sure where this contact point is, but I'm sure it's where the Crystal/Chrome hole is.

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Can you test Phoenic Ifraid E230CS in BB-10 Against Duo Aquario BD145CS? Also, Phoenic Ifraid E230CS VS Flash Escolpio S130R2F in Zero-G Please...?

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Sure, I can do that. Don't really see the point of having Defense tests though, it's obviously outclassed by Duo, Death, Revizer Revizer, even Basalt, ect.

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How do I still have 17th most posts here...?

It is seem phoenic did not get some results i was hoping also can you do ifraid Phoenic S130CF VS
Flash_W145R2F(Attack mode) IN a BB-10 attack stadium and Zero G stadium

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Sure, I can do that. Don't really see the point of having Defense tests though, it's obviously outclassed by Duo, Death, Revizer Revizer, even Basalt, ect.

I just want to see them in case I need a substitute wheel...

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Sorry guys can't do the tests.

My Phoenic was stolen.

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How do I still have 17th most posts here...?

This is disappointing so far. I was really looking forward to a really good Zero-G attack wheel. I'll be getting my Phoenics soon, so maybe I can pick up on the tests.

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I literally just got my Thief in the mail, so I'll post some tests ASAP.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Thanks for all the testing, Rai! Really sorry about what happened to you. Why some people do things like that...

I'll try to get some testing in for Phoenic too.

EDIT: useless jabber removed...

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Spoiler (Click to View)

This is what we all want, Brad.

No matter what I try Pheonic ends up the one flying out of the stadium, not my defense type. This wheel absolutely needs a MSF to possibly be effective; I don't have one, so I can't say for sure. What I can say is that, by itself, Thief Pheonic is too light, and I honestly get better results with Screw. :\

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Haha, ditto. I saw nothing special in what little I tried with it in anything.
To think, it looked so well designed for attack..

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How do I still have 17th most posts here...?

I did quite a lot of playing with my Thief Phoenic when I got it, in both modes, and it absolutely just isn't effective enough to bother with, even in the BBG-03/4. No idea about Synchrom, though.

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Some manner of Octopus.

I can test it synchromed later. (I have two thief pheonic) What should I test it against? Should it be tested for defense, attack, and stamina?

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I can test it synchromed later. (I have two thief pheonic) What should I test it against? Should it be tested for defense, attack, and stamina?

Attack, preferably. Defense is covered by Reviser and Zero-G is not the place to look for Stamina. Can you post a picture to show how badly it covers its own contact points?

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

I can test it synchromed later. (I have two thief pheonic) What should I test it against? Should it be tested for defense, attack, and stamina?

Could you test 'Phoenic Phoenic R145RF'. I would like to see also Phoenic Phoenic 160/TH170 RF.

In a Zero-G stadium.

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still posi

I can test it synchromed later. (I have two thief pheonic) What should I test it against? Should it be tested for defense, attack, and stamina?

Could you test 'Phoenic Phoenic R145RF'. I would like to see also Phoenic Phoenic 160/TH170 RF.

In a Zero-G stadium.

Both in a Zero-G Stadium? Do you want 'Pheonic Pheonic R145' in an attack stadium?

Either way I can test them.

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Phoenic Phoenic R145RF in an Attack stadium and Phoenic Phoenic 160/TH170 RF in a Zero-G stadium.

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still posi

Alright,I will do it as soon as I get the time!

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http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-AABeybla...c-Graphics

dang i luv phoenic wish she...i mean it had more potentail and on a hunch could you do phoenic saramanda in bb-10

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Formally Facade

can you test duo picses Vs Duo leone

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Look at the thread name.
We do not test random, incomplete combos that are completely irrelevant to the thread.

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Since we will have easier access to Phoenic I figured I would do a few tests with out worry of wearing it down. Note that one of my Phoenics is slightly worn and the other is almost brand new. I chose W145 not only for its stamina but also because it seemed to work better for some reason than the other tracks I tried (R145,CH120, D125)

All test were in a BB-10
Standard Procedure
Beylauncher with launcher rubber
The newer Phoenic is on top of the Synchrom, the older one is on bottom


MSF-Phoenic Phoenic W145R2F(prime) vs MSF-H-Saramanda Reviser BD145CS

Details (Click to View)

1)Phoenic - KO
2)Phoenic - KO
3)Reviser - OS
4)Reviser - OS
5)Reviser - OS
6)Phoenic - KO
7)Phoenic - KO
8)Reviser - OS
9)Reviser - OS
10)Reviser - OS
11)Reviser - OS
12)Reviser - OS
13)Phoenic - KO
14)Reviser - OS
15)Phoenic - KO
16)Phoenic - KO
17)Reviser - OS
18)Reviser - OS
19)Reviser - OS
20)Phoenic - KO

Phoenic - 8 wins (all KO)
Reviser - 12 wins (all OS)
Phoenic win % = 40%


MSF-Phoenic Phoenic W145R2F(prime) vs MSF-H-Saramanda Reviser BD145RDF

Details (Click to View)

1)Phoenic - KO
2)Reviser - OS
3)Reviser - OS
4)Phoenic - OS
5)Reviser - OS
6)Phoenic - OS
7)Reviser - OS
8)Phoenic - KO
9)Phoenic - KO
10)Reviser - KO
11)Reviser - OS
12)Reviser - OS
13)Reviser - OS
14)Phoenic - OS
15)Reviser - OS
16)Phoenic - KO
17)Phoenic - OS
18)Phoenic - OS
19)Phoenic - KO
20)Reviser - OS

Phoenic - 10 wins (5 OS, 5 KO)
Reviser - 10 wins (9 OS, 1 KO)
Phoenic win % = 50%

Notes: (Click to View)

Some people might be suprised that Phoenic did better against RDF but I wasn't. The added defense of RDF was not really even noticed. If Phoenic hits with its best contact point then it is going to KO regardless what tip the opponent is using cause it hits so freakin hard. CS had the advantage here because of its stamina, and because it doesn't go quite as crazy when knocked off balance. I was suprised at the lack of KOs by Reviser and the lack of DKOs. I know Reviser doesn't have much recoil, but Phoenic seems to handle its own recoil very well.

Observations: (Click to View)

I have noticed that Phoenic is extremely picky about when and how it makes good contact. This wheel has about 4 different levels of smash, and it is very unpredictable which one will happen when. If it hits with its strongest smash then it will KO (as long as a wall isn't in the way of course) . If it hits with its second strongest smash it will knock the opponent way off balance. This affected RDF a lot more than CS and gave Phoenic the opportunity to OS Reviser a few times. It also sometimes helped Phoenic KO Reviser because RDF would get aggressive and move closer to an exit. Its third strongest smash is more of just a push. Its weakest smash will just brush off the opponent and sometimes send Phoenic into a tornado stall, which is actually how it OS Reviser once or twice. I sure the last two levels can't even be called smash, but you get the idea. Haha

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My combos (Click to View)

MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)