Which core is better? Please rate them based on 5 perspectives (attack, stamina, defence, balance, overall performance) (and if you can please rate them from 1 to 10 points for each perspective)
Perseus vs Valkyrie I
Perseus has Metal, but the metal distribution isn’t that great, so it’s good for Attack. Valkyrie I has good stamina, but teeth isn’t good and easily wears.
(Jan. 24, 2022 2:07 PM)p0l1w4g06 Wrote: Perseus has Metal, but the metal distribution isn’t that great, so it’s good for Attack. Valkyrie I has good stamina, but teeth isn’t good and easily wears.
This isn’t quite accurate, Perseus is better for stamina. Even if it was good for attack, right attack is pretty dead.
(Jan. 24, 2022 3:01 PM)JCE_13 Wrote:But Zankye say Perseus is better for Attack, and Savior/Ultimate exist....(Jan. 24, 2022 2:07 PM)p0l1w4g06 Wrote: Perseus has Metal, but the metal distribution isn’t that great, so it’s good for Attack. Valkyrie I has good stamina, but teeth isn’t good and easily wears.
This isn’t quite accurate, Perseus is better for stamina. Even if it was good for attack, right attack is pretty dead.
Perseus is 10.5 grams and has more outward and inward weight which makes it better for attack, defense, and destabilizing sharp tipped drivers like bearing on the right setup. It also has great teeth for burst resistance.
Valkryie I is the best stamina chip next to Belial2 and it’s bound gimmick also makes it good for defense, but it only has 2 clicks so it the teeth are worn it bursts a lot. Valkryie I is also only 7 grams.
So for stamina go for Valkryie I, for attack use Perseus. Defense, it depends on what else your combo is going for. And burst resistance, Perseus.
Valkryie I is the best stamina chip next to Belial2 and it’s bound gimmick also makes it good for defense, but it only has 2 clicks so it the teeth are worn it bursts a lot. Valkryie I is also only 7 grams.
So for stamina go for Valkryie I, for attack use Perseus. Defense, it depends on what else your combo is going for. And burst resistance, Perseus.
Savior/Ultimate are not used very often for right attack. Dynamite +F Perseus is better than Dynamite +F Valkyrie. Generally, Perseus being heavier than Valkyrie adds for better stamina. Even though the weight is added to the outer part of the core, that still lies at the center of the layer, does it not? So the general weight added and higher burst resistance adds up to a better choice over Valkyrie, but at the end of the day, it comes down to preference. And to add more, you definitely want to make attack types heavier. But again, right attack is dead. The bound gimmick on Valkyrie does not make for better defense at all, as the closer it gets to bursting without clicking, the easier it will burst.
Perseus is good, yes; however, that does not mean it's the definitive best for every right spin combination. Perseus works well enough with to see use with any setup, similar to the Giga disk. Continuing the core-to-disk analogy, if Perseus is the Giga disk, Valkyrie I is the Tapered disk. I believe this to be the case because of each part's now-niche uses. Valkyrie I is terrible for attack combinations, but it still provides some of the best defense in opposite spin. It's stamina is good too, but whether or not I'd call it better than Perseus... I'm not sure on that one. Both have their pros and cons, and there's an appropriate situation to use each. Another core that was mentioned earlier is Belial II. Belial II is a great core, but it takes a close third for stamina combinations. The burst stopper helps immensely with combinations that have a high chance of bursting, but there's really no reason to use it over Perseus and/or Valkyrie I otherwise.
Right spin attack is by no means dead. Ultimate came out a month ago, and since then, only a handful of tournaments have happened. Give it more time. And Savior... Savior is solid, but it really requires Xtreme'/Metal Xtreme to truly be good enough to compete against opposite spin setups. Same spin matches though? Savior on most attack drivers has no issues with same spin opponents, so I'm honestly shocked you haven't seen anyone use it to success, JCE_13.
Right spin attack is by no means dead. Ultimate came out a month ago, and since then, only a handful of tournaments have happened. Give it more time. And Savior... Savior is solid, but it really requires Xtreme'/Metal Xtreme to truly be good enough to compete against opposite spin setups. Same spin matches though? Savior on most attack drivers has no issues with same spin opponents, so I'm honestly shocked you haven't seen anyone use it to success, JCE_13.
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(Jan. 24, 2022 4:47 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Perseus is good, yes; however, that does not mean it's the definitive best for every right spin combination. Perseus works well enough with to see use with any setup, similar to the Giga disk. Continuing the core-to-disk analogy, if Perseus is the Giga disk, Valkyrie I is the Tapered disk. I believe this to be the case because of each part's now-niche uses. Valkyrie I is terrible for attack combinations, but it still provides some of the best defense in opposite spin. It's stamina is good too, but whether or not I'd call it better than Perseus... I'm not sure on that one. Both have their pros and cons, and there's an appropriate situation to use each. Another core that was mentioned earlier is Belial II. Belial II is a great core, but it takes a close third for stamina combinations. The burst stopper helps immensely with combinations that have a high chance of bursting, but there's really no reason to use it over Perseus and/or Valkyrie I otherwise.
Right spin attack is by no means dead. Ultimate came out a month ago, and since then, only a handful of tournaments have happened. Give it more time. And Savior... Savior is solid, but it really requires Xtreme'/Metal Xtreme to truly be good enough to compete against opposite spin setups. Same spin matches though? Savior on most attack drivers has no issues with same spin opponents, so I'm honestly shocked you haven't seen anyone use it to success, JCE_13.
I’m liking the way you think, but right attack is one of the most skill based things we have right now, not dead, excuse me. Left attack, specifically guilty, is and has been dominating since rage. By far, the best right attack we have had is (I think) judgement. Savior is definitely not better than judgement was back in GT. My dad actually used Savior Belial2 Over Metal Xtreme, and won against DynamiteF on Bearing. As for Ultimate, it has not been around enough to say it revived right attack. Overall, Perseus is definitely a safer choice for stamina, such as never. And I have not seen Valkyrie used on stamina combos in a good minute.
(Jan. 24, 2022 5:06 PM)JCE_13 Wrote:(Jan. 24, 2022 4:47 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Perseus is good, yes; however, that does not mean it's the definitive best for every right spin combination. Perseus works well enough with to see use with any setup, similar to the Giga disk. Continuing the core-to-disk analogy, if Perseus is the Giga disk, Valkyrie I is the Tapered disk. I believe this to be the case because of each part's now-niche uses. Valkyrie I is terrible for attack combinations, but it still provides some of the best defense in opposite spin. It's stamina is good too, but whether or not I'd call it better than Perseus... I'm not sure on that one. Both have their pros and cons, and there's an appropriate situation to use each. Another core that was mentioned earlier is Belial II. Belial II is a great core, but it takes a close third for stamina combinations. The burst stopper helps immensely with combinations that have a high chance of bursting, but there's really no reason to use it over Perseus and/or Valkyrie I otherwise.
Right spin attack is by no means dead. Ultimate came out a month ago, and since then, only a handful of tournaments have happened. Give it more time. And Savior... Savior is solid, but it really requires Xtreme'/Metal Xtreme to truly be good enough to compete against opposite spin setups. Same spin matches though? Savior on most attack drivers has no issues with same spin opponents, so I'm honestly shocked you haven't seen anyone use it to success, JCE_13.
I’m liking the way you think, but right attack is one of the most skill based things we have right now, not dead, excuse me. Left attack, specifically guilty, is and has been dominating since rage. By far, the best right attack we have had is (I think) judgement. Savior is definitely not better than judgement was back in GT. My dad actually used Savior Belial2 Over Metal Xtreme, and won against DynamiteF on Bearing. As for Ultimate, it has not been around enough to say it revived right attack. Overall, Perseus is definitely a safer choice for stamina, such as never. And I have not seen Valkyrie used on stamina combos in a good minute.
Yeah, I would definitely say right spin attack takes more experience to use than left spin attack. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt we'll ever have another right spin attack layer that's as good as Judgement was in GT. In regards to right spin attack, definitely man, Savior would be a whole lot more common if were Judgement-level. Time will tell with Ultimate.
Back to the topic of the thread, its been awhile since I've heard of Valkyrie I seeing any use in general. It was used at my last tournament, but that was one of the last tournaments before people began receiving their Perseus cores. That's not to say it's useless, but looking at the Winning Combinations, I'd say it's outclassed for stamina purposes.
High N, I'd say the following:
Attack: Perseus
Stamina: Perseus
Defense: Depends on what you're intending to defend. Looking for burst defense? Perseus. Looking for KO defense? Valkyrie I.
Balance: Depends upon what kind of balance combination you're using, but generally I'd say Perseus is best for balance.
Overall: Perseus
This is an interesting topic as I have seen the video where Zankey mentioned Valkyrie 1 and Belial 2 being the best chips for stamina as well as Perseus being better for attack because of its weight distribution. However, I can say that with this game there are a lot more variables that need to be taken into consideration than just weight/weight distribution.
Let’s talk about the weight of the chips real fast. Perseus is without a doubt the heaviest right spin chip for the Dynamite Battle system. Now it’s weight distribution isn’t ideal for stamina, however by no means is it bad for stamina. I personally use the combo Dynamite Perseus (F-Gear) Tapered Bearing’-9 in competitive play. I use Perseus with this combo instead of using Valkyrie 1 or Belial 2 simply because I’m not using Giga or Over. Giga and Over are heavier than Tapered by an average of 3-4 grams. Perseus is heavier than Valkyrie 1 and Belial 2 by an average of 2-3 grams. This will allow me to try and make up some of the weight difference and close the gap as much as possible between my combo and an opposing combo using Giga/Over with Valkyrie 1/Belial 2. You could ask why do I use Tapered instead of Giga or Over with it and just make it super heavy. Well that comes with the synergy Tapered actually has with Bearing’ but that is a topic for another time. Anyway, some bladers might have noticed that when using a lighter bey against an opposite spinning bey you tend to gain more spin at the end of the spin equalization process and can pull out more wins. So in that aspect the Valkyrie 1 and the Belial 2 chips might have the advantage. But what about same spin? Generally when it comes to same spin the heavier the bey the more stamina it has. So in that aspect Perseus should have the advantage.
I have personally tested these parts out individually and I can say that from my own results in a same spin mirror match with just the chips being the difference and swapping the chips between the beys to make sure it wasn’t the driver or other parts doing all the heavy lifting, Perseus saw about an 85% higher win rate over Belial 2 and an 90% win rate over Valkyrie 1. Now when it came to opposite spin where I would mirror match the combos using Astral as the layer but having them in opposite spin against the Longinus core, Valkyrie 1 had a 60% win rate against the left spin mirror. Belial 2 had a 50% win rate against the left spin mirror. And Perseus had a 30% win rate against the mirror.
So what does this really tell you? It tells you that all of the chips have a use and what that use is depends on what you want your combo to do. Are you trying to win the same spin match up? Are you trying to win the opposite spin match up? Or are you trying to be as well rounded as you can be? Those are the questions you need to answer yourself when making your combos and deciding what parts you want to use.
On a side note I will add that when it comes to attack combos I saw about a 30% increase in bursts to my own blade when using Perseus on Ultimate compared to Belial 2 on Ultimate. I didn’t use Valkyrie 1 when testing Ultimate because I already had to buy 2 replacement cores after the teeth on them we’re pretty much destroyed when testing out Savior. So Valkyrie 1 I would never suggest using for attack. But Belial 2 is really good as an attack chip because of the burst stopper. It really helps out the burst resistance. Belial 2s teeth themselves are not the best for attack combos. But the burst stopper is the MVP when using it on an attacker.
Let’s talk about the weight of the chips real fast. Perseus is without a doubt the heaviest right spin chip for the Dynamite Battle system. Now it’s weight distribution isn’t ideal for stamina, however by no means is it bad for stamina. I personally use the combo Dynamite Perseus (F-Gear) Tapered Bearing’-9 in competitive play. I use Perseus with this combo instead of using Valkyrie 1 or Belial 2 simply because I’m not using Giga or Over. Giga and Over are heavier than Tapered by an average of 3-4 grams. Perseus is heavier than Valkyrie 1 and Belial 2 by an average of 2-3 grams. This will allow me to try and make up some of the weight difference and close the gap as much as possible between my combo and an opposing combo using Giga/Over with Valkyrie 1/Belial 2. You could ask why do I use Tapered instead of Giga or Over with it and just make it super heavy. Well that comes with the synergy Tapered actually has with Bearing’ but that is a topic for another time. Anyway, some bladers might have noticed that when using a lighter bey against an opposite spinning bey you tend to gain more spin at the end of the spin equalization process and can pull out more wins. So in that aspect the Valkyrie 1 and the Belial 2 chips might have the advantage. But what about same spin? Generally when it comes to same spin the heavier the bey the more stamina it has. So in that aspect Perseus should have the advantage.
I have personally tested these parts out individually and I can say that from my own results in a same spin mirror match with just the chips being the difference and swapping the chips between the beys to make sure it wasn’t the driver or other parts doing all the heavy lifting, Perseus saw about an 85% higher win rate over Belial 2 and an 90% win rate over Valkyrie 1. Now when it came to opposite spin where I would mirror match the combos using Astral as the layer but having them in opposite spin against the Longinus core, Valkyrie 1 had a 60% win rate against the left spin mirror. Belial 2 had a 50% win rate against the left spin mirror. And Perseus had a 30% win rate against the mirror.
So what does this really tell you? It tells you that all of the chips have a use and what that use is depends on what you want your combo to do. Are you trying to win the same spin match up? Are you trying to win the opposite spin match up? Or are you trying to be as well rounded as you can be? Those are the questions you need to answer yourself when making your combos and deciding what parts you want to use.
On a side note I will add that when it comes to attack combos I saw about a 30% increase in bursts to my own blade when using Perseus on Ultimate compared to Belial 2 on Ultimate. I didn’t use Valkyrie 1 when testing Ultimate because I already had to buy 2 replacement cores after the teeth on them we’re pretty much destroyed when testing out Savior. So Valkyrie 1 I would never suggest using for attack. But Belial 2 is really good as an attack chip because of the burst stopper. It really helps out the burst resistance. Belial 2s teeth themselves are not the best for attack combos. But the burst stopper is the MVP when using it on an attacker.
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I'm thinking of Perseus as just a replacement option for all top tier combos, especially for DVL1+F.Ov.Br' we can replace VL1 with PS. Or some attack combos such as SBL2 we can definitely replace it with Perseus. Perseus is good, multifunctional, BUT to create a truly strong, TOP tier combo in a specific field is not possible. Till now I can just see PS combos ranked third in Stamina type combo, no first rank. Does anyone have any PS combo that can be placed at the top? PS is like a good replacement but not as the original.