Midfake from ThePortal0

(Mar. 04, 2021  6:12 PM)Shindog Wrote:
(Mar. 04, 2021  5:54 PM)Iggy100 Wrote: Burst from beysandbricks are legitimate.  MFB are the only ones having a big issue with midfakes right now.


To be completely honest MFB is niche right now compared to burst.  If the same was going on with their current cash cow I'm sure they would be coming down on it.  They could be trying to end it but are running into issues.  The same as every other company that has fakes being made.  I mean rapidity has been around since near the start of MFB.
I agree with this in general, but rapidity is more like the flame brand fir burst.  They don’t blatantly use the trademark.

Yeah they don't use the trademarks but they do use the designs which are most likely copyrighted.
(Mar. 04, 2021  6:18 PM)Iggy100 Wrote:
(Mar. 04, 2021  6:12 PM)Shindog Wrote: I agree with this in general, but rapidity is more like the flame brand fir burst.  They don’t blatantly use the trademark.

Yeah they don't use the trademarks but they do use the designs which are most likely copyrighted.
Yes, you see this with even counterfeit apple products.  They will go after you harder if you put an Apple on it tho.
ThePortal0 is NOT FAKE. I order from them everytime and my beyblades always arrive.
(Mar. 05, 2021  4:45 PM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: ThePortal0 is NOT FAKE. I order from them everytime and my beyblades always arrive.

Not saying I didn't get the beyblade.  Did you read my original post?
Update

Original ship date for the non A0813 was March 2nd.

Contacted them on March 3rd after no email notifying me that it was shipped and they responded "We will let you know once we send it out".

I gave it another week and contacted them on March 9th after it still wasn't shipped. They responded with this "We’re taking out time to dig through our inventory to find all that’s not A0813. We’re currently transporting them from our secondary warehouse, we stored them away to prevent cosmetic damage. Due to lockdown, the transporting to taking longer than usual. We should be able to get it out to you tomorrow at the soonest"

I'm starting to believe that A, they're not going to send one and are just hoping I forget about it. Or B, they bought a non A0813 to send me but have yet to receive it themselves to package it in their packaging.

Very disappointed
(Mar. 17, 2021  3:03 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: is the portal0 fake or not

Well seeing as they sent me a midfake, said they were sending a non midfake but have yet to for nearly a month.  I'm leaning towards fake when it comes to MFB.
May I ask what are midfakes are they real beys with some fake parts
(Mar. 18, 2021  8:24 PM)RazzorC92 Wrote: May I ask what are midfakes are they real beys with some fake parts

They are fakes that perfectly disguise themselves as TT/Hasbro.
(Mar. 18, 2021  9:03 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:
(Mar. 18, 2021  8:24 PM)RazzorC92 Wrote: May I ask what are midfakes are they real beys with some fake parts

They are fakes that perfectly disguise themselves as TT/Hasbro.
Oh
(Mar. 18, 2021  9:03 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:
(Mar. 18, 2021  8:24 PM)RazzorC92 Wrote: May I ask what are midfakes are they real beys with some fake parts

They are fakes that perfectly disguise themselves as TT/Hasbro.
Has there been any proof of this in the last couple of weeks that surfaced?  Has TT taken action or made a statement about these midfakes being indeed fake and not commissioned by TT?  Please share the evidence if there is so we can put this to rest.
Does this look legit?

https://ever-wish.com/wholesale-takara-t...-dash-set/
(Mar. 18, 2021  9:22 PM)Shindog Wrote:
(Mar. 18, 2021  9:03 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: They are fakes that perfectly disguise themselves as TT/Hasbro.
Has there been any proof of this in the last couple of weeks that surfaced?  Has TT taken action or made a statement about these midfakes being indeed fake and not commissioned by TT?  Please share the evidence if there is so we can put this to rest.

I can’t place anything to light unfortunately, but I do have fakes that would look like the real deal if I showed them to someone. I was just telling a definition of mid fake which I saw not trying to really respond to this thread.
Does this look legit?

https://ever-wish.com/wholesale-takara-t...-dash-set/
(Mar. 18, 2021  9:53 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: Does this look legit?

https://ever-wish.com/wholesale-takara-t...-dash-set/

1. This is not from ThePortal0
2. Midfakes in this topic are in reference the Metal Fight Beyblades with questionable production codes/imperfections, not Burst
3. This is your second time posting this exact message within the last hour
4. It's a Takara Tomy Beyblade Burst Set, from Everwish, which is legitmate... and also out of stock.
Update

They are sending the non A0813. The code is L0810.
These are the pictures they sent as proof.

https://imgur.com/R3iGsXy
https://imgur.com/Wixh9DV
https://imgur.com/OJrea2J

Another user came to me a said they were sending them a Meteo with the same code.

(Mar. 20, 2021  9:08 PM)Iggy100 Wrote: Update

They are sending the non A0813.  The code is L0810.
These are the pictures they sent as proof.

https://imgur.com/R3iGsXy
https://imgur.com/Wixh9DV
https://imgur.com/OJrea2J

Another user came to me a said they were sending them a Meteo with the same code.

Waiting to see if the pictures they were sent are the same as mine.

Update on the pictures

They sent the other user and myself the same pictures as proof.

I sent them the pictures that Theportal0 sent me and this was their reply.
https://imgur.com/nhfvEIX

Here is to hoping that they just had two with the same code and didn't want to take more pictures.
(Mar. 20, 2021  9:08 PM)Iggy100 Wrote: Update

They are sending the non A0813.  The code is L0810.
These are the pictures they sent as proof.

https://imgur.com/R3iGsXy
https://imgur.com/Wixh9DV
https://imgur.com/OJrea2J

Another user came to me a said they were sending them a Meteo with the same code.

(Mar. 20, 2021  9:08 PM)Iggy100 Wrote: Update

They are sending the non A0813.  The code is L0810.
These are the pictures they sent as proof.

https://imgur.com/R3iGsXy
https://imgur.com/Wixh9DV
https://imgur.com/OJrea2J

Another user came to me a said they were sending them a Meteo with the same code.

Waiting to see if the pictures they were sent are the same as mine.

Update on the pictures

They sent the other user and myself the same pictures as proof.

I sent them the pictures that Theportal0 sent me and this was their reply.
https://imgur.com/nhfvEIX

Here is to hoping that they just had two with the same code and didn't want to take more pictures.

The arrival of my L Drago is gonna take a while since i live in a different continent. What about you? Do u know when u'll get the Bey?
Make sure to keep us updated. I will aswell.
(Mar. 20, 2021  11:18 PM)Sapmet Wrote:
(Mar. 20, 2021  9:08 PM)Iggy100 Wrote: Update

They are sending the non A0813.  The code is L0810.
These are the pictures they sent as proof.

https://imgur.com/R3iGsXy
https://imgur.com/Wixh9DV
https://imgur.com/OJrea2J

Another user came to me a said they were sending them a Meteo with the same code.


Waiting to see if the pictures they were sent are the same as mine.

Update on the pictures

They sent the other user and myself the same pictures as proof.

I sent them the pictures that Theportal0 sent me and this was their reply.
https://imgur.com/nhfvEIX

Here is to hoping that they just had two with the same code and didn't want to take more pictures.

The arrival of my L Drago is gonna take a while since i live in a different continent. What about you? Do u know when u'll get the Bey?
Make sure to keep us updated. I will aswell.
I should have it by April 3rd.  If its like the first they sent then I might have it this time next week.  I talked to John on the phone before he sent out my order a few days ago and right after the call he sent me the pictures as proof.  Really hoping we both get the right bey code.
(Mar. 20, 2021  11:22 PM)Iggy100 Wrote:
(Mar. 20, 2021  11:18 PM)Sapmet Wrote: The arrival of my L Drago is gonna take a while since i live in a different continent. What about you? Do u know when u'll get the Bey?
Make sure to keep us updated. I will aswell.
I should have it by April 3rd.  If its like the first they sent then I might have it this time next week.  I talked to John on the phone before he sent out my order a few days ago and right after the call he sent me the pictures as proof.  Really hoping we both get the right bey code.

Are there more Codes that proof that it is real? Or is the L 0810 the only real one?
(Mar. 20, 2021  11:26 PM)Sapmet Wrote:
(Mar. 20, 2021  11:22 PM)Iggy100 Wrote: I should have it by April 3rd.  If its like the first they sent then I might have it this time next week.  I talked to John on the phone before he sent out my order a few days ago and right after the call he sent me the pictures as proof.  Really hoping we both get the right bey code.

Are there more Codes that proof that it is real? Or is the L 0810 the only real one?

There are multiple real codes.  Usually if they end in something other than A0813 then they're real.
It seems really unlikely that tt doesn't care about something as dangerous as midfakes if they exist.
I just found out that depending on the composition, rubber tends to harden over time. Since A0813 Meteo L dragos were made in 2013, it might be that the rubber hardened over time. Now you might argue that beys produced before that didn't have this problem. Maybe not. As I said, it depends on the rubber composition. If tt or the company they contracted decided to slightly change the chemicals used for the rubber for the batch A0813, we wouldn't notice the difference in quanlity until a few years later. Now this is not something we can discuss with tt, since they won't be willing to discuss their material choices. But I really think it might be something as simple as this and not something as sinister as fakes disguised perfeclty as real. Sounds super far fetched. Like an idea cooked up by a person who panicked and then spread to other people on the internet. I do understand the problem though. I also have a meteo L drago that has a super hard rubber.
Now as for the other differences like the tip height and the absence of mold number on the fusion wheel, it might just be that tt decided to switch things up a little bit in that batch. The fusion wheel might have been made a little thicker which would not allow the serial number to be printed.
Though this is not the same, there is a similar difference in burst beys that are pretty old. I recently got a brand new God burst bey (Kreis Satan) from a trusted seller (though in eBay, I've bought a ton of stuff from him - authentic every single time. He sources directly from tt). The product was original tt, but the box didn't have the QR code. I noticed this even in other god beys I bought in 2020. New ones I mean. So apparently, after the fourth season, tt decided to remove the QR codes from all further productions of old burst beys. Because people wouldn't buy those beys unless they really wanted to. And tt wanted to make sure that they buy recent beys to try and collect points.
My point being that it's well known that tt constantly keeps changing the quality of producys based on need and business tactics. It might just be that the batch of A of August 2013 didn't age well becaus of its rubber composition. As I understand, apart from this, it's pretty hard to tell a real and a supposed midfake apart in the case of any other mfb bey. This might be the reason why. The difference is only the most apparent in beys that have rubber. There might be dimension changes. But I would like to point out that the metal quality is till the same. It still hits an hard, is as good and darkens over time. All signs of an original product.
(Mar. 27, 2021  6:37 AM)Saishreyas.G Wrote: It seems really unlikely that tt doesn't care about something as dangerous as midfakes if they exist.
I just found out that depending on the composition, rubber tends to harden over time. Since A0813 Meteo L dragos were made in 2013, it might be that the rubber hardened over time. Now you might argue that beys produced before that didn't have this problem. Maybe not. As I said, it depends on the rubber composition. If tt or the company they contracted decided to slightly change the chemicals used for the rubber for the batch A0813, we wouldn't notice the difference in quanlity until a few years later. Now this is not something we can discuss with tt, since they won't be willing to discuss their material choices. But I really think it might be something as simple as this and not something as sinister as fakes disguised perfeclty as real. Sounds super far fetched. Like an idea cooked up by a person who panicked and then spread to other people on the internet. I do understand the problem though. I also have a meteo L drago that has a super hard rubber.
Now as for the other differences like the tip height and the absence of mold number on the fusion wheel, it might just be that tt decided to switch things up a little bit in that batch. The fusion wheel might have been made a little thicker which would not allow the serial number to be printed.
Though this is not the same, there is a similar difference in burst beys that are pretty old. I recently got a brand new God burst bey (Kreis Satan) from a trusted seller (though in eBay, I've bought a ton of stuff from him - authentic every single time. He sources directly from tt). The product was original tt, but the box didn't have the QR code. I noticed this even in other god beys I bought in 2020. New ones I mean. So apparently, after the fourth season, tt decided to remove the QR codes from all further productions of old burst beys. Because people wouldn't buy those beys unless they really wanted to. And tt wanted to make sure that they buy recent beys to try and collect points.
My point being that it's well known that tt constantly keeps changing the quality of producys based on need and business tactics. It might just be that the batch of A of August 2013 didn't age well becaus of its rubber composition. As I understand, apart from this, it's pretty hard to tell a real and a supposed midfake apart in the case of any other mfb bey. This might be the reason why. The difference is only the most apparent in beys that have rubber. There might be dimension changes. But I would like to point out that the metal quality is till the same. It still hits an hard, is as good and darkens over time. All signs of an original product.


That A does not stand for the batch.The A stands for the month it was produced. The problem is that we only find A0813 or J1314 stamps as midfakes. If you remember the older codes, there were so many different codes. Nowadays we have batches of midfakes and no more genuine ones.
(Mar. 27, 2021  8:24 PM)GodKillgroth Wrote:
(Mar. 27, 2021  6:37 AM)Saishreyas.G Wrote: It seems really unlikely that tt doesn't care about something as dangerous as midfakes if they exist.
I just found out that depending on the composition, rubber tends to harden over time. Since A0813 Meteo L dragos were made in 2013, it might be that the rubber hardened over time. Now you might argue that beys produced before that didn't have this problem. Maybe not. As I said, it depends on the rubber composition. If tt or the company they contracted decided to slightly change the chemicals used for the rubber for the batch A0813, we wouldn't notice the difference in quanlity until a few years later. Now this is not something we can discuss with tt, since they won't be willing to discuss their material choices. But I really think it might be something as simple as this and not something as sinister as fakes disguised perfeclty as real. Sounds super far fetched. Like an idea cooked up by a person who panicked and then spread to other people on the internet. I do understand the problem though. I also have a meteo L drago that has a super hard rubber.
Now as for the other differences like the tip height and the absence of mold number on the fusion wheel, it might just be that tt decided to switch things up a little bit in that batch. The fusion wheel might have been made a little thicker which would not allow the serial number to be printed.
Though this is not the same, there is a similar difference in burst beys that are pretty old. I recently got a brand new God burst bey (Kreis Satan) from a trusted seller (though in eBay, I've bought a ton of stuff from him - authentic every single time. He sources directly from tt). The product was original tt, but the box didn't have the QR code. I noticed this even in other god beys I bought in 2020. New ones I mean. So apparently, after the fourth season, tt decided to remove the QR codes from all further productions of old burst beys. Because people wouldn't buy those beys unless they really wanted to. And tt wanted to make sure that they buy recent beys to try and collect points.
My point being that it's well known that tt constantly keeps changing the quality of producys based on need and business tactics. It might just be that the batch of A of August 2013 didn't age well becaus of its rubber composition. As I understand, apart from this, it's pretty hard to tell a real and a supposed midfake apart in the case of any other mfb bey. This might be the reason why. The difference is only the most apparent in beys that have rubber. There might be dimension changes. But I would like to point out that the metal quality is till the same. It still hits an hard, is as good and darkens over time. All signs of an original product.


That A does not stand for the batch.The A stands for the month it was produced. The problem is that we only find A0813 or J1314 stamps as midfakes. If you remember the older codes, there were so many different codes. Nowadays we have batches of midfakes and no more genuine ones.

It might simply be that the supposed midfake numbers are the only batch number that were last produced. Maybe tt stopped producing mfb after these batch numbers and that's what we are still getting now. I still think the hard rubber problem has nothing to do with midfakes but it's the rubber that hardened over time because of disuse. This is a real problem that wouldn't have become apparent back in 2013-14. Don't you think it's wierd that the only supposed midfake related changes are hard rubber and a slight change in the dimension of some parts? I recently saw a guy test 'midfakes' for lead and he didn't find anything at all. The metal is that same quality as tt and even darkens. I find it hard to believe that the people who are making fakes went through all that trouble to get the special zinc alloy recipe from tt just to make fakes. I mean, at this point they would just be the original. What was even the point of making the midfakes then? To people who make beys, it's all about money, whoever it is. It would have cost them even more effort and money than tt to make sure that the fakes looked exactly like the original. 
So then it might be tt using cheaper materials. .But that's a bad original, not a midfake.
(Mar. 27, 2021  8:45 PM)Saishreyas.G Wrote:
(Mar. 27, 2021  8:24 PM)GodKillgroth Wrote: That A does not stand for the batch.The A stands for the month it was produced. The problem is that we only find A0813 or J1314 stamps as midfakes. If you remember the older codes, there were so many different codes. Nowadays we have batches of midfakes and no more genuine ones.

It might simply be that the supposed midfake numbers are the only batch number that were last produced. Maybe tt stopped producing mfb after these batch numbers and that's what we are still getting now. I still think the hard rubber problem has nothing to do with midfakes but it's the rubber that hardened over time because of disuse. This is a real problem that wouldn't have become apparent back in 2013-14. Don't you think it's wierd that the only supposed midfake related changes are hard rubber and a slight change in the dimension of some parts? I recently saw a guy test 'midfakes' for lead and he didn't find anything at all. The metal is that same quality as tt and even darkens. I find it hard to believe that the people who are making fakes went through all that trouble to get the special zinc alloy recipe from tt just to make fakes. I mean, at this point they would just be the original. What was even the point of making the midfakes then? To people who make beys, it's all about money, whoever it is. It would have cost them even more effort and money than tt to make sure that the fakes looked exactly like the original. 
So then it might be tt using cheaper materials. .But that's a bad original, not a midfake.

I collected a lots of codes, there is not a case that I found a code for a third time. The A0813 and J1314 are very suspicious, i even think the midfakes are in production right now and they take the A0813 or J1314, but this is my assumption. The term midfake is only there to differenciate them from the older ones. Maybe a better term than midfake will give people who purchase them a better feeling. The main problem is that the sellers do not make it transparent and some seller (portal0) sell them with an overpriced price tag. Beysandbricks display the codes from the random boosters but do not display the code from the other metal ones.
(Mar. 27, 2021  11:58 PM)GodKillgroth Wrote:
(Mar. 27, 2021  8:45 PM)Saishreyas.G Wrote: It might simply be that the supposed midfake numbers are the only batch number that were last produced. Maybe tt stopped producing mfb after these batch numbers and that's what we are still getting now. I still think the hard rubber problem has nothing to do with midfakes but it's the rubber that hardened over time because of disuse. This is a real problem that wouldn't have become apparent back in 2013-14. Don't you think it's wierd that the only supposed midfake related changes are hard rubber and a slight change in the dimension of some parts? I recently saw a guy test 'midfakes' for lead and he didn't find anything at all. The metal is that same quality as tt and even darkens. I find it hard to believe that the people who are making fakes went through all that trouble to get the special zinc alloy recipe from tt just to make fakes. I mean, at this point they would just be the original. What was even the point of making the midfakes then? To people who make beys, it's all about money, whoever it is. It would have cost them even more effort and money than tt to make sure that the fakes looked exactly like the original. 
So then it might be tt using cheaper materials. .But that's a bad original, not a midfake.

I collected a lots of codes, there is not a case that I found a code for a third time. The A0813 and J1314 are very suspicious, i even think the midfakes are in production right now and they take the A0813 or J1314, but this is my assumption. The term midfake is only there to differenciate them from the older ones. Maybe a better  term than midfake will give people who purchase them a better feeling. The main problem is that the sellers do not make it transparent and some seller (portal0) sell them with an overpriced price tag. Beysandbricks display the codes from the random boosters but do not display the code from the other metal ones.

Maybe this is the case. Maybe tt has 'officially' stopped production in 2014. But they still want to make money. So maybe they are still producing the beys with the same tag and selling it directly to online seller. . Or maybe they allowed some other company to carry on production in their name. But since they aren't officially tt, they can't put different batch numbers. This so called company would pay tt for the rights just like Hasbro does, only off the books. This would explain why tt hasn't done anything about the 'midfake' problem. 
Tt moved the production out of China and into Vietnam after MFB. Maybe the Chinese company that made these beys still has the blueprints and got permission from tt to continue production (which for all records, stopped in 2014)