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MF-H Nightmare Bull GB145RB

Feb. 26, 2014  11:39 PM
 
Fake tests (Click to View)
Feb. 26, 2014  11:46 PM
 
Serious that quote about nightmare was based on me Serious

Can you test against stamina?

How Agro was your RB?
Feb. 27, 2014  1:58 AM
 
i was actaully thinking about testing nightmare
Feb. 27, 2014  2:09 AM
 
Would RSF still be an okay option or does it direly need RB?
Feb. 27, 2014  2:38 AM
 
Ummm...

Benchmark? LOL. XD

I have tried Nightmare, and I have to say these results kind of surprise me. I really Wish I could help out right now, but I've got schoolwork and testing lists coming out of my ears, haha. Gotta get a thread up for *SNIP* this weekend, get some testing up for Zero-G Attack surface comparisons, and... ugh.

But yah, benchmarking is always essential for this sort of thing haha. It's a bit hard to evaluate the results when there's nothing to compare them to, haha. Tongue_out

(Feb. 27, 2014  1:58 AM)bladeryBoB66 Wrote: i was actaully thinking about testing nightmare


... And how is this relevant to discussion? Haha, try to add more content to your posts whenever you can (not trying to be a mini-mod, but discussion like this can get cluttered up pretty fast hen people post stuff like that).

Anyway, stop thinking about testing and go do it! We need results! Grin
Feb. 27, 2014  2:39 AM
 
(Feb. 27, 2014  2:09 AM)ridbladebreaker Wrote: Would RSF still be an okay option or does it direly need RB?

Well, as he said, RB has more Defense but less Stamina, so it's a tradeoff. I don't think RB is really that much better than RSF Defense wise, and I appreciate the aggressiveness a good RSF provides at times to KO Stamina.

Anyways, why not use Kerbecs for Nightmare? It's basically the go-to Clear Wheel for 3-sided Metal Wheels. I also think on average they are heavier than Bulls.
Feb. 27, 2014  3:11 AM
 
I've been working with Nightmare, myself. From personal testing, Attack certainly isn't it's best feature, which I assumed it would be.

These tests are pretty interesting- I'll try to test it with RSF later on.

It may be a good idea to try this with either Kerbecs or Aquario, too.
Feb. 27, 2014  3:14 AM
 
Kerbecs has the weight, and aligns up better with Nightmare so definitely try it out.

Also, this is probably one of the most random combos I've heard, haha! It seems pretty good though! I would love to try it, but I don't own a Nightmare unfortunately. I probably won't get one to be honest though :\.
Feb. 27, 2014  9:23 AM
 
(Feb. 27, 2014  2:39 AM)Wombat Wrote:
(Feb. 27, 2014  2:09 AM)ridbladebreaker Wrote: Would RSF still be an okay option or does it direly need RB?

Well, as he said, RB has more Defense but less Stamina, so it's a tradeoff. I don't think RB is really that much better than RSF Defense wise, and I appreciate the aggressiveness a good RSF provides at times to KO Stamina.

Anyways, why not use Kerbecs for Nightmare? It's basically the go-to Clear Wheel for 3-sided Metal Wheels. I also think on average they are heavier than Bulls.

I honestly find RB and RSF quite similar aggression wise, unless RSF is very worn - Nightmare's shape will let it KO certain taller things depending on the CW choice (generally flat things like horogium, though Cygnus and LeoneII might do okay I forget) so that aggression is pretty valuable to it.


As for the combo - yeah, Nightmare isn't bad at all defensively (it's quite good, in fact), the shape is very misleading in that regard, though I find it's not that great outside of same-height matchups as it's top/underside do actually have some large-ish protrusions that cause recoil. Generally also prefer to go all-three-sided, so like MF-H Nightmare UnicornoII/Kerbecs R145RB/RSF, or perhaps a more conservative clear wheel to let it KO some taller things. In the end I generally find Earth and Libra work better, but Nightmare is not bad and it's always nice to get more numbers on little-tested parts.

Oh and the Kerbecs/Bull weight thing depends - Hasbro Kerbecs seem to be really light from Ingulit's weights (around or even below the 3g mark IIRC), but Takara/SonoKong ones are at 3.5g the heaviest clear wheels there are. Next heaviest one I have is Unicorno II.
Feb. 27, 2014  9:27 AM
 
I was playing around with the Nightmare wheel by slapping Leone II and F230CF. Just as what I thought would topple over, it stood completely upright. Any ideas as to why? Seeing that threw me off cause I thought Nightmare would have balance issues.
Feb. 27, 2014  9:50 AM
 
I'm under attack with my wheel choice. Why, why!!

OK, I lost my Kerbecs, Aquario, Cancer and some more. I only found Bull to take it's place.

RSF would (maybe) do the same.

I couldn't benchmarke 'cause I've also been on a tight/limited time. I will however try to test. Along with my new combo today!
Feb. 27, 2014  5:19 PM
 
LOL, nobody's attacking your testing. XD

We're just asking why you did or didn't go with certain parts. Having Defense tests for Nightmare is great, definitely.

I'd have thought Kerbecs/R145 would have worked slightly better (don't know if RB gives R145 that crossover that allows it to OS Lightning LTAC, but if so IMO R145 would be a better choice by a little bit; GB145 is great, but from a pure defensive viewpoint, on a 3-sided wheel with high recoil from below that could use a little extra weight, R145 seems like the optimal choice).

It sounds like you're a little rushed, too. If you have the time, I'd work on testing/explaining what you have more thoroughly, rather than trying to crank out 1 new combination a day (it's certainly possible, but going so quick usually loses you a lot of depth). So yah, I'd try putting a little more time into each individual thread so we can get the most out of discussion, and then post the new ones you've got once we're solid on the old stuff. Maybe one new thread a week?

It is kinda hard to keep up with 5 combination threads all at once, even for the reader haha.
Tongue_out

But yah, in a nutshell: Kerbecs/R145 FTW

Wait, I just realized you said something; does GB145 work better for you against LTAC? IIRC we had a discussion a while back, which brought us to the conclusion that R145 had slightly lower recoil (unless I'm horribly misremembering). I'd assume rubber density would play a huge roll in that. If you tried this with R145, and GB145 got better results, could I maybe inquire of you what brand you R145 is?
Feb. 28, 2014  5:37 AM
 
The tests I did with R145 used a hard rubber one. I don't think density is the right term as the weight difference between the two is miniscule - better to stick with consistency or something. I've not noticed any real issues with Lightning RF outspinning GB145 or R145, but I'll give it a shot later today and check, seeing as I have two different types of rubber part as well as GB145.

As for spacing on threads, given this forum is kinda quiet at the moment I'd not cut it back to weekly (especially as that would take over a month). Every couple of days would be fine but really I don't think the delay is too necessary from what I've seen so far.

Also as for Nightmare's recoil for below, I'd stick to moderate rather than high, as it's still not particularly bad, just fwiw.
Feb. 28, 2014  6:45 AM
 
Yeah, I considered mentioning R145 because it's also 3-sided, but he said that thing about GB145 being better against LTAC, and I figured R145 would be to recoily.

My RB is actually rather passive, while my RSF is the soft version from Hasbro Ray Gil. It can do the flower pattern if launched right.

But if the underside is really that vulnerable (I don't own a Nightmare), then yeah, you might be better off putting on something like CH120/D125 or maybe even LW105 and use Leone or some other flat, 3-sided Clear Wheel to take advantage of the Upper Smash.
Feb. 28, 2014  6:49 AM
 
Perhaps in terms of rotational recoil - some tests have suggested that may be a concern, but in terms of regular recoil, the testing showed R145 did better (reflecting what I'd seen of it not actually having much regular recoil).
Feb. 28, 2014  1:50 PM
 
The R145 I used was hard rubber (Sonokong, IIRC), and yah, it takes hits really well. Haven't really got experience with a softer one.

Do you mean you don't have trouble with out-spinning Lightning, or out-spinning with Lightning? LOL I kinda missed that. XD My R145 usually just stops immediately when it touches the ground, so it really can't OS much of anything on RSF. Haven't tried Rubber Ball yet.
Feb. 28, 2014  2:04 PM
 
My R145 is soft. So when I was using it, it really didn't stand well for me when testing. I then moved to GB145 and it worked better for me. I'm guesing if I had the hard Sonokong one, it would work better then GB145.

After some recent testing, I found there really isn't a diffrents with RSF and RB.
Feb. 28, 2014  2:46 PM
 
Didn't get a chance to try them all out today, but FWIW my SonoKong one is soft, my Takara one is hard, so I'd assume it's not brand based or w/e.
Oct. 19, 2014  9:14 PM
 
It was recently brought to our attention that all tests by Crescent in this topic are fabricated. We urge you to forget their results and that someone trustworthy conduct the actual tests for the sake of this metagame.