This thread is not your normal type of custom thread. I'm not trying to convince you this is a good combo, as that should be fairly obvious; instead, I need help trying to find something that can actually beat this custom.
Why is this custom so hard to beat? What's so special about it? You might be thinking it sounds basically the exact same as the well-known MF-H Flash _____ AD145MF, and you'd be right. There is only one difference--W145 instead of AD145--but it makes all the difference in the world. W145 appears to be the premier 145-height stamina track (check out the W145 Testing thread), and its stamina advantage over AD145 enables this custom to OS things that AD145 couldn't dream of.
For reference, here are some solo spin times of the custom with both AD145 and W145. Both customs were launched into a perfect tornado stall.
MF-H Flash Orion AD145MF
1) 2:46
2) 2:51
3) 2:39
4) 2:49
5) 2:52
Average ~2:45
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
1) 3:22
2) 3:27
3) 3:26
4) 3:38
5) 3:20
Average ~3:25
The important thing to note is that Flash on W145MF spins a solid 40 seconds longer on average than AD145MF when tornado stalling, which is a massive improvement. It is so much better, in fact, that for everything I've tested, the following is true:
This combo can KO anything it can't OS and can OS anything it can't KO.
In order to have enough defense to survive a direct hit from Flash, your custom needs to use a rubber tip of some sort or must include a Synchrom. In both cases, the defense Beyblade's stamina is low due to the friction caused by the rubber and/or by the imbalance caused by the Synchrom, respectively. Thus, if this custom can't outright KO the other Bey, it can tornado stall and OS it consistently.
If you want your Bey to have enough stamina to OS this custom while it is tornado stalling, you'll have to give up enough defense that this custom will be able to KO it instead.
What I'm asking for is some standard procedure testing of customs you think can consistently both survive direct attacks from this bey AND OS it if it tornado stalls perfectly. Don't recommend Attack types as attack dittos are not consistent at all (who wins is basically a coin toss). I also have reservations about Anti-Attack customs (heavy stuff that uses RF) because they can't OS Flash on MF if neither custom gets KOed.
Test Results
BB-10 Attack Stadium
Beylauncher LR with Suspension
Standard Procedure
Flash is always in Attack Mode
Duo is always in Stamina Mode
Death is always in Defense Mode
_______________________________
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Duo Gasher E230(Boost)RS
Tornado Stall, go for the OS
Duo always launched first
Duo: 0
Flash: 20 (20 OS)
Flash Win %: 100%
I'd like to point out that this is the custom that I thought could beat every Flash custom imaginable. This Duo custom beats AD145 when it tornado stalls, but W145's extra stamina make this a no-brainer for Flash.
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Duo Gasher E230(Boost)RDF
Tornado Stall, go for the OS
Duo always launched first
Duo: 0
Flash: 20 (20 OS)
Flash Win %: 100%
No better than RS. I'm not sure, but I think Flash might be able to KO this too, but I didn't try.
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Duo Gasher E230(Boost)CS
Flower Pattern, go for the KO
Duo always launched first
Duo: 2 (2 OS)
Flash: 18 (18 KO)
Flash Win %: 90%
This custom has the stamina to OS a tornado stall, but it doesn't have enough defense to survive direct attacks.
**NOTE**
I used "Boost Mode" on E230 in these tests, and other users are pointing out that Normal Mode works better (and it certainly does).
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Wing Kerbecs R145RDF
Tornado Stall, go for the OS
Wing always launched first
Wing: 0
Flash: 20 (20 OS)
Flash Win %: 100%
This was my first Flash killer. It actually almost had enough stamina, but it still wasn't enough. The matches were closer at any rate.
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
Tornado Stall, go for the OS
Scythe always launched first
Scythe: 0
Flash: 20 (20 OS)
Flash Win %: 100%
This was my second Flash killer. It will never get KOed by Flash on a 145 height, but that doesn't matter if it can't OS Flash on W145.
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Death Pegasus II BD145RB
Tornado Stall; you'll either KO him if he launches hard or OS him if he launches weak
Death always launched first
Death: 2 (1 KO, 1 OS)
Flash: 18 (10 KO, 8 OS)
Flash Win %: 90%
This matchup was interesting. In order to have enough stamina to OS a tornado stalling Flash you have to launch this custom hard. When you do that, though, it starts roaming the stadium and it gets right in the path of the tornado stalling Flash for an easy KO. To avoid this, you can launch Death weak so it stays centered, but then it won't have enough stamina to OS Flash.
Why is this custom so hard to beat? What's so special about it? You might be thinking it sounds basically the exact same as the well-known MF-H Flash _____ AD145MF, and you'd be right. There is only one difference--W145 instead of AD145--but it makes all the difference in the world. W145 appears to be the premier 145-height stamina track (check out the W145 Testing thread), and its stamina advantage over AD145 enables this custom to OS things that AD145 couldn't dream of.
For reference, here are some solo spin times of the custom with both AD145 and W145. Both customs were launched into a perfect tornado stall.
MF-H Flash Orion AD145MF
1) 2:46
2) 2:51
3) 2:39
4) 2:49
5) 2:52
Average ~2:45
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
1) 3:22
2) 3:27
3) 3:26
4) 3:38
5) 3:20
Average ~3:25
The important thing to note is that Flash on W145MF spins a solid 40 seconds longer on average than AD145MF when tornado stalling, which is a massive improvement. It is so much better, in fact, that for everything I've tested, the following is true:
This combo can KO anything it can't OS and can OS anything it can't KO.
In order to have enough defense to survive a direct hit from Flash, your custom needs to use a rubber tip of some sort or must include a Synchrom. In both cases, the defense Beyblade's stamina is low due to the friction caused by the rubber and/or by the imbalance caused by the Synchrom, respectively. Thus, if this custom can't outright KO the other Bey, it can tornado stall and OS it consistently.
If you want your Bey to have enough stamina to OS this custom while it is tornado stalling, you'll have to give up enough defense that this custom will be able to KO it instead.
What I'm asking for is some standard procedure testing of customs you think can consistently both survive direct attacks from this bey AND OS it if it tornado stalls perfectly. Don't recommend Attack types as attack dittos are not consistent at all (who wins is basically a coin toss). I also have reservations about Anti-Attack customs (heavy stuff that uses RF) because they can't OS Flash on MF if neither custom gets KOed.
Test Results
BB-10 Attack Stadium
Beylauncher LR with Suspension
Standard Procedure
Flash is always in Attack Mode
Duo is always in Stamina Mode
Death is always in Defense Mode
_______________________________
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Duo Gasher E230(Boost)RS
Tornado Stall, go for the OS
Duo always launched first
Spoiler (Click to View)
Flash: 20 (20 OS)
Flash Win %: 100%
I'd like to point out that this is the custom that I thought could beat every Flash custom imaginable. This Duo custom beats AD145 when it tornado stalls, but W145's extra stamina make this a no-brainer for Flash.
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Duo Gasher E230(Boost)RDF
Tornado Stall, go for the OS
Duo always launched first
Spoiler (Click to View)
Flash: 20 (20 OS)
Flash Win %: 100%
No better than RS. I'm not sure, but I think Flash might be able to KO this too, but I didn't try.
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Duo Gasher E230(Boost)CS
Flower Pattern, go for the KO
Duo always launched first
Spoiler (Click to View)
Flash: 18 (18 KO)
Flash Win %: 90%
This custom has the stamina to OS a tornado stall, but it doesn't have enough defense to survive direct attacks.
**NOTE**
I used "Boost Mode" on E230 in these tests, and other users are pointing out that Normal Mode works better (and it certainly does).
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Wing Kerbecs R145RDF
Tornado Stall, go for the OS
Wing always launched first
Spoiler (Click to View)
Flash: 20 (20 OS)
Flash Win %: 100%
This was my first Flash killer. It actually almost had enough stamina, but it still wasn't enough. The matches were closer at any rate.
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
Tornado Stall, go for the OS
Scythe always launched first
Spoiler (Click to View)
Flash: 20 (20 OS)
Flash Win %: 100%
This was my second Flash killer. It will never get KOed by Flash on a 145 height, but that doesn't matter if it can't OS Flash on W145.
MF-H Flash Orion W145MF vs. MF-H Death Pegasus II BD145RB
Tornado Stall; you'll either KO him if he launches hard or OS him if he launches weak
Death always launched first
Spoiler (Click to View)
Flash: 18 (10 KO, 8 OS)
Flash Win %: 90%
This matchup was interesting. In order to have enough stamina to OS a tornado stalling Flash you have to launch this custom hard. When you do that, though, it starts roaming the stadium and it gets right in the path of the tornado stalling Flash for an easy KO. To avoid this, you can launch Death weak so it stays centered, but then it won't have enough stamina to OS Flash.
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