:: MFB: Limited ::
Dark Knight/Ronin Discussion

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This thread is to discuss the use of Dark Knight/Ronin in the Limited metagame. I initially tested this to find Dark Knight/Ronin's attack capabilities compared to other attackers. It's really only shown promise in attack so far.

Equipment:

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BB-10 Attack Stadium(Used)
L/R Belauncher
Beypointer
Grip Rubber
Launcher Rubber

Benchmark:

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Samurai Wyvang GB145R2F VS. Earth Gasher GB145CS

Samurai: 10(All KO)
Earth: 10(All OS)
Ties: 0

Samurai Win Percentage: 50%

VS. Attack:

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Dark Knight Reviser(Crystal UP)GB145CS VS. Gravity Destroyer(Counter Mode)TR145R2F

Dark Knight: 5(All OS)
Gravity: 15(4OS, 11KO)
Ties: 0

How does an attack type OS a defense type?!

Dark Knight Win Percentage: 25%

VS. Defense:

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Dark Knight Wyvang(Crystal UP)GB145R2F VS. Earth Gasher TR145CS

Dark Knight: 9
Earth: 11
Ties: 0

I really only see this being useful in Attack IMO TBH.

Dark Knight Win Percentage: 45%

MSF-L Dark Knight Bahamoote 85R2F V. MF-H Libra 90RSF
DKB: 7(All KO)
Libruh: 3(1 KO, 2 OS)
Ties: 0

Bahamoote Win Percentage: 70%

MSF-L Dark Knight Killerken 85R2F V. MF-H Libra 90RSF
DKK: 2(1OS, 1KO)
Libruh: 8(1KO, 7 OS)
Ties: 0

Killerken Win Percentage: 20%

MSF-L Dark Knight Gryph 85R2F V. MF-H Libra 90RSF
DKG: 4(1OS, 3KO)
Libruh: 6(1 KO, 5 OS)
Ties: 0

Gryph Win Percentage: 40%

MSF-L Dark Knight Balro 85R2F V. MF-H Libra 90RSF
Balro: 5(All KO)
Libruh: 5(All OS)
Ties: 1

Balro Win Percentage: 50%

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MSF-L Dark Knight Bahamoote 85R2F V. MF-H Libra CH120RSF
DKB: 14(All KO)
Libruh: 6(1 KO, 4 OS)
Ties: 0

Bahamoote Win Percentage: 70%

MSF-L Dark Knight Bahamoote 85R2F V. MF-H Libra GB145RSF
DKB: 16(All KO)
Libruh: 4(1 KO, 3 OS)
Ties: 2

Bahamoote Win Percentage: 80%

MSF-L Dark Knight Bahamoote 85R2F V. MF-H Libra SR200RSF
DKB: 18(All KO)
Libruh: 2(All OS)
Ties: 2

Bahamoote Win Percentage: 90%

MSF-L Dark Knight Bahamoote 85R2F V. MF-H Libra 230RSF
DKB: 13(All KO)
Libruh: 7(2 KO, 5 OS)
Ties: 0

Bahamoote Win Percentage: 65%

VS. Stamina

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Dark Knight Reviser(Crystal UP) W145WD VS. Burn Gahser 230D

Dark Knight: 2(All KO)
Burn: 18(2 KO, 16OS)
Ties: 3

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Dark Knight Win Percentage: 10%

Dark Knight Wyvang(Crystal UP)GB145R2F VS. Burn Gasher 230SD

Dark Knight: 9(7KO, 2OS)
Burn: 1(All OS)
Ties: 5

Dark Knight Win Percentage: 90%

Th!nk's tests:

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too.

MSF-H Dark Knight Balro R145R2F

Detailed Results (Click to View)

1. LKO recoil
2. BKO
3. LOS
4. LKO
5. BKO
6. LOS
7. BKO
8. BKO
9. LOS
10. BKO
11. BKO
12. LKO – Recoil (balro went flying across my room)
13. BKO
14. LKO
15. LOS
16. BKO
17. LKO
18. LKO
19. BKO
20. BKO
Draws: R1DKO, R5DKO R11DKOx3, R15DKO R18DKO R19DKO
Observations:

Libra: 9/20 = 45% (6KO, 3OS)
Balro: 11/20 = 55% (All KO)
Balro has recoil trouble with Dark Knight. I assume this is because DK is quite light, as the contact points in left look better. Might play around with it as its balance isn't bad in Chrome Up as TBD said (it also did pretty well on LTAC but I didn't have a chance to formally test it today, maybe tomorrow).

MSF-H Dark Knight Killerken R145R2F

Detailed Results (Click to View)

1. LOS
2. KKO
3. KKO
4. LKO recoil
5. KKO
6. LKO
7. KKO
8. LKO
9. KKO
10. LKO recoil
11. LOS
12. LOS
13. LOS
14. KKO
15. KKO
16. LKO
17. KKO
18. KKO
19. LOS wall saves
20. KKO
Draws: R4DKO
Observations:

Libra: 10/20 = 50% (5KO, 5OS)
Killerken: 10/20 = 50% (All KO)
As long as you don't weak launch against it, Killerken isn't a major threat in left spin as its contact points aren't really made for it and it has a bit of rotational recoil. If you do weak launch against it, it will probably wreck you, so uh don't do that I guess.

MSF-H Dark Knight Dragooon R145R2F

Detailed Results (Click to View)

1. DKO
2. LKO – recoil, libra caught the stadium edge and dragooon didn't
3. LKO rebound
4. LKO
5. LKO
6. LKO
7. DKO
8. LOS
9. DKO – dragooon caught the lip, libra didn't.
10. DKO
11. LKO
12. LKO
13. DKO
14. DKO
15. LKO rebound
16. DKO
17. DKO
18. DKO
19. LOS
20. LOS wall saves
Draws: DKO R8
Observations:

Libra: 11/20 = 55% (8KO, 3OS)
Dragooon: 9/20 = 45% (All KO)
So uh Dragooon has a lot of recoil in left spin crystal up. It can also hit quite hard, and perhaps could've done slightly better than this but whatever.

MSF-H Dark Knight Wyvang R145R2F

Detailed Results (Click to View)

1. WKO
2. WKO – wyvern stayed in a split second longer
3. WKO
4. WKO
5. WKO lategame
6. WKO
7. LKO recoil
8. WKO Lategame
9. LOS managed to survive the initial hit and then cramp wyvang, leaving wyvang at low RPM for most of the match
10. LKO recoil
11. WKO
12. WKO dko, wyvang caught ridge and held on longer while libra rolled around the corner of a wall)
13. WKO
14. LKO recoil
15. WKO
16. WKO
17. WKO
18. WKO
19. LKO recoil
20. WKO
Draws: DKO R 9, 10, 13, 16
Observations:

Libra: 5/20 = 25% (KO, OS)
Wyvang: 15/20 = 75% (All KO)
Phoenic may have shown it up in right spin but now Wyvang reveals that it is in fact not right handed!
Say hello to what is IMO another of the best Zero G Wheel Setups for Limited Format Attack. Not only is Wyvang its usual threatening self, but Dark Knight wreaks havoc on taller opponents, sending them flying in ways that make me worry about my windows when I eventually test this properly.
It does have some trouble with Bakushin LTDC, R145 with sharp banking and a strong launch gives you a shot at KOing it using Wyvang's underside without exposing the recoil-prone chin as well as providing better stamina/less hopping than GB145/H145. H145 can be used, but it does expose the chin and I'm not keen on trading off more weight after already swapping 2g for left spin, basically it strikes me as a risky proposition.

MSF-H Dark Knight Phoenic R145R2F

Detailed Results (Click to View)

1. LOS
2. LKO recoil
3. PKO dko but phoenic stayed in longer
4. LKO recoil
5. PKO
6. PKO dko but phoenic stayed in longer
7. PKO
8. LKO recoil
9. PKO
10. LOS
11. LOS wall saves
12. LKO cs getting aggro
13. PKO (dko, phoenic caught lip)
14. PKO
15. PKO
16. LKO recoil
17. LKO recoil/cs aggression
18. PKO
19. PKO
20. PKO
Draws: R3, 7, 17, 20, 20 DKO
Observations:

Libra: 9/20 = 45% (6KO, 3OS)
Phoenic: 11/20 = 55% (All KO)
Phoenic is better in right, but it's not too awful in left, though it does have fairly severe recoil. I used R145 as I didn't find I was having as much trouble against bakushin as in right.

MSF-H Dark Knight Bahamdia R145R2F

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1. LKO recoil
2. BKO
3. BKO – would've been a dko but bahamdia caught the rim
4. LKO
5. BKO
6. BKO
7. LKO recoil
8. BKO
9. LKO
10. BKO
11. LOS wall saves
12. LKO recoil
13. BKO
14. LOS
15. BKO
16. LKO recoil
17. LKO recoil
18. BKO
19. LOS wall saves
20. LKO recoil
Draws: r15dko r17dkox2
Observations:

Libra: 11/20 = 55% (8KO, 3OS)
Bahamdia: 9/20 = 45% (All KO)
Bahamdia was really hurt by the increase in aggression from Libra in the second set of ten rounds, with its winrate being a mere 30% vs 60% in the first set of tests. I honestly preferred it in left from past experience with it, but maybe I was wrong. It's still a huge pain in the rear to use, and still wanders out of the stadium for no reason every so often. Very disappointing, really.

MSF-H Dark Knight Saramanda R145R2F

Detailed Results (Click to View)

1. LKO Recoil
2. SKO dko but saramanda left second
3. SKO
4. LOS
5. SKO
6. LKO
7. SKO
8. LOS
9. SKO
10. SKO
11. LOS
12. SKO
13. LOS wall saves
14. LOS wall saves
15. LKO Recoil
16. LOS
17. LOS
18. LKO
19. SKO
20. LOS
Draws: R2DKO
Observations:

Libra: 12/20 = 60% (4KO, 8OS)
Saramanda: 8/20 = 40% (All KO)
Saramanda also got wrecked in the second set of ten after having netted 60% in the first ten. I suspect this is due to its thin contact points wearing down really fast, combined with the increased aggression from Libra. In the first ten rounds its slight hopping seemed to help it KO later in the game, and perhaps a mint one might be okay for a few matches as an attack part but eh.

MSF-H Dark Knight Goreim R145R2F

Detailed Results (Click to View)

1. LKO
2. LOS
3. LKO
4. GKO
5. LKO rebound
6. LKO
7. GKO
8. LOS
9. GKO
10. LOS
Draws:
Observations:

Libra: 7/10 = 70% (4KO, 3OS)
Goreim: 3/10 = 30% (All KO)
DK Goreim is just a bit too light to budge Libra with any reliability. Can do another ten rounds on request but I don't think it's worth the time.

MSF-H Dark Knight Ifraid R145R2F

Detailed Results (Click to View)

1. LKO recoil
2. IKO
3. IKO
4. IKO
5. LKO – wallsaves and lategame ko
6. LKO
7. LOS
8. LOS Wall saves
9. LKO dko libra caught lip
10. IKO
11. LOS
12. IKO
13. IKO
14. LKO – triple tap
15. LOS
16. IKO
17. IKO
18. IKO
19. LKO
20. LOS
Draws: DKO R15
Observations:

Libra: 11/20 = 55% (6KO, 5OS)
Ifraid: 9/20 = 45% (All KO)
Ifraid isn't totally awful in left. Not amazing either, but you could use it to KO stamina and stuff. Seemed like it should've got more than 5% higher than in right but perhaps my expectations were low after everything not called

DRAGON KING's Tests

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MF Duo Cancer 230MB vs Dark Knight Bahamdia 85RF Double KO Duo KO Duo KO
Duo 9 wins
DK 1 win
DK winrate: 10


Burn Cancer 85W2D vs Dark Knight Begirados D125WSF

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double KO Burn KO Burn OS (barely) DK KO DK KO Burn KO double KO DK KO Burn KO Burn KO ( wall save) DK KO Burn OS (barely) burn OS (barely) Burn KO Draw Double KO DK KO Burn KO DK KO Burn KO DK KO DK KO Burn OS DK KO

DK win rate: %40

Ronin Girago:
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Ronin-Zirago-85-RF

Ronin Gryph:
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-LTD-MSF-...ased-LTACs

Thanks for reading.

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-MFB-Limi...pid1187502

I tested a bunch of stuff with DK here. Only Wyvang is really any good with it offensively (with Phoenic not being too bad), though DK is reallllllly good against taller opponents, sends them flying. Surprised you didn't get more out of it in your tests, maybe that's because GB145 really messes up Wyvangs balance compared to a well oriented R145 or w/e, and R145 is also heavier so there's not much of an advantage to using GB145 honestly.

Also for stamina Reviser is not really good choice, really poor balance overall.

Still, thanks for the tests

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th!nkBlargh|H-Code Product List

The only thing I've found Dark Knight good with is Wyvang. It has to much recoil really to be used for defense or stamina. I did some tests and if I can find them I will post them at some point.

I'm actually not a big fan of Dark Night Wyvang, but it wrecked Earth GB145CS if I recall correctly.

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still posi

Nice! But I advise using killerken for defence and stamina(if you don't wanna wear your Genbull.)

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dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

Nice! But I advise using killerken for defence and stamina(if you don't wanna wear your Genbull.)

I don't. It's better as an attack wheel honestly, without reviser giving it a round perimeter it is kinda recoil prone.
See here for example of attack use: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-MFB-Limi...pid1187680

Genbull would be interesting to see but really I don't think Dark Knight is a good defensive crystal wheel, it's really aggressive/recoily if it's making contact and not on RF.

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th!nkBlargh|H-Code Product List

Ohhh, sorry. Thanks for correcting me th!nk!
I agree about it not doing to well for defence or stamina. Although it would be interesting to have genbull tests.

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

I've included Th!nk's testing in the OP.


Since it's a discussion I figured I shoukd include tests in all types, for reapsns stated in the OP.

Yeah, sorry for the lack of tests, it's 11:00 P.M. where I live and I'm pretty tired. I may be able to do more tests tomorrow, any requests? I could do Dark Knight VS. HTSC/HTDC.

Edit: VS. HTSC:

Dark Knight Wyvang(Crystal UP)GB145R2F VS. Burn Gasher 230SD

Dark Knight: 9(7KO, 2OS)
Burn: 1(All OS)
Ties: 5

Dark Knight Win Percentage: 90%

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

I have a bunch of tests for this. I'll PM them to you or edit this. Yeah, pretty much Dark Knight really only has use in attack. I may be wrong, but from my testing, to much recoil, haha.

More tests added.

Last post, was nearly a year ago...

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

What needs testing?


I have DK.

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

Do you have Bahamoote/Bahamdia? Girago, Gryph, Balro?

Against Scythe 230RSF/RB if you can.

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

Do you have Bahamoote/Bahamdia? Girago, Gryph, Balro?

Against Scythe 230RSF/RB if you can.

I've got Bahamdia and Begirados ( I remember a guy winning an Illinois tourney use Dark Night Begirados ____WSF.)

No scythe. I've got 230MB (could use Duo The Wobbler?)

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

Can you do Dark Knight Bahamdia 85R2F Vs. Duo/Earth 230RSF/RB?

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

I have MB, no RSF/ RB.


I'll do it with RF. I'm not too gray with attack though. I'm also gonna see if I have time to test DK stamina and that DK Begirados combo.

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

Cool thanks.

I don't think DK Stamina is going to do very great, haha. But you can, it helps. Against Earth or Burn or soemthing similair if you want to test it. Yeah, testing with DK Begirados would help. If you have a CH120 try that against a MTDC.

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

Ronin Genbull B: D proved to be decent


MF Duo Cancer 230MB vs Dark Knight Bahamdia 85RF Double KO Duo KO Duo KO
Duo 9 wins
DK 1 win
DK winrate: %10

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Duo KO Double KO Duo KO double KO Double KO Dpuble KO Duo KO DK KO Double KO Duo KO Last minute Duo KO Duo OS Duo KO

So much recoil...everytime it made contact its either self KO or the recoil would make it go flying along with duo.

That may also be because my RF is in really good condition.

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

230 does pretty well against LTAC's thanks for the tests.

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

As far as 230 (and 230 MB) goes, Ronin Zirago 85 RF does pretty well.

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Also, true lion gale force wall and fee-hee-heenay call

Burn Cancer 85W2D vs Dark Knight Begirados D125WSF

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double KO Burn KO Burn OS (barely) DK KO DK KO Burn KO double KO DK KO Burn KO Burn KO ( wall save) DK KO Burn OS (barely) burn OS (barely) Burn KO Draw Double KO DK KO Burn KO DK KO Burn KO DK KO DK KO Burn OS DK KO

DK win rate: %40

All the Burn KOs were Begirados getting SKOs and I started to do better with it once I got used to it. I recommend redoing these tests, I suck with attack .

Note that I disregarded a few rounds where DK barely touched Burn and SKOed.

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

Well, here's a link to my MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-LTD-MSF-...ased-LTACs

In terms of the tier-list, again, I'm completely in favor of Girago, Bahamdia and Gryph being up there; not too sure about other Chrome Wheels, though. I'd say Pegasis and Killerken can be played with more.

Here are some MSF-H Ronin Wyvang 100RF tests I conducted yesterday.

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MSF-H Ronin Wyvang 100RF versus Earth Cancer B:D
Bottoms in their Prime. Earth Cancer Launched First all Matches.
Ronin Wyvang: 15/20 (ALL KO) 75% Win Rate
Earth Cancer: 5/20 (4 OS, 1 KO) 25% Win Rate

Not surprising, but really good results; it got a bunch of OHKOs.

MSF-H Ronin Wyvang 100RF versus Libra 90RSF
Bottoms in their Prime. Libra Launched First all Matches.
Ronin Wyvang: 11/20 (ALL KO) 55% Win Rate
Libra: 9/20 (3 OS, 6 KOs) 45% Win Rate

Yeah, those six KOs Libra got off of Wyvang really goes to show some how recoil-y Wyvang can be; all of them were because of it. That in mind, I really wouldn't it on the tier-list as a Ronin LTAC, but the only downside is the recoil it has. Despite that, though, it at the same time has a lot of smash.

Shido, those results aren't too bad! But maybe do comparison tests with Ronin Wyvang and Ronin Zirago? Possibly against a Stamina combo?

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Shido, those results aren't too bad! But maybe do comparison tests with Ronin Wyvang and Ronin Zirago? Possibly against a Stamina combo?

I don't see why I would against a Stamina combo, it would make more sense to test against Defense, no?

But yeah, I'll definitely do some comparisons.

Thanks for the tests, I'll try to do some with Girago and Wyvang tomorrow.

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Shido, you get respect points for that Proof of Parts pic

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear