If that is true then why don't peole specify which CS they use for testing?

It just part of the 'Standard Procedures'. Generally assume that if the person is using it for defense, it's been worn down, or is perfect or as good as they can get/have available for defense. They won't use a CS that has RF movement if they're testing,unless they're dumb, and the results would show a significant difference from what they generally should be if this was the case.

Are these TT CSs the same as these 2 Hasbro CSs?

not sure.

Glad to see Rock Bull/Aquario 125SF does well for others as well. That was one of the first customs I made for Hasbro stadiums but I prefer it with T125.

I will try to contribute once I find a Hasbro stadium in stores that meets the specifications.

Rock Aquario 125SF isnt a custom. It comes with the Pegasis Tornado Wing Faceoff set, which is one of the better faceoffs. (cheaper than buying 2 beys and it comes with RF) The Aquario clear wheel is colored a solid green, with 125 being solid tan, and SF being solid black. Do be aware that with all rock customs, the clear wheel can sometimes take a serious beating if the bey is knocked off balance and the clear wheel makes contact with the opposing bey. While that does provide good defense, and the damage is minimal, it is aesthetically displeasing after a while.

Oh wow, I completely forgot it came in a 2 pack, i had actually purchased that one.

Yeah...I know how it performs obviously, I have used it for a while now. Like I said, mine is a little different though:

Rock Bull T125 SF

Thats the version of it I use.

It seems that people have reverted back to thinking that Ray Virgo Ch120WD was intended as a Defense combo. It is recoil-based Stamina, purely used for Hasbro (No KO) rules and against R2F-based attack. Also, thank you for Twisted testing. I do plan on getting one soon.

I don't really use Ray in any combos so it felt good to see it being used in such a great combo

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It seems that people have reverted back to thinking that Ray Virgo Ch120WD was intended as a Defense combo. It is recoil-based Stamina, purely used for Hasbro (No KO) rules and against R2F-based attack. Also, thank you for Twisted testing. I do plan on getting one soon.

Why Virgo? Other than it looking aestheticly pleasing why use Virgo over a wheel like Aquario or Bull?

And in (general) isnt Ray an attack wheel? Why would you use it as a Stamina wheel when parts like Burn are avaliable? Especialy not in a defense custom, that much is certain.

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Also, i was just Bsing around when something very peculiar happened...LF stadium, string launchers, Earth Eagle launched first

Earth Eagle 145WD vs Evil Gemios DF145FS

EG: 3 wins (All by KO)
EA: 7 wins (all by OS)

While I understand these are uncustomized, and FS has proven itself to be a great PT choice in hasbro battles, FS should certaintly not KO an Earth based custom 3 times, especialy with Evil and Gemios involved...after the 1st KO i got curious and preformed the other 9 tests...even if it was only 3 wins, it should still not be possible...the F side of it is only slightly more aggresive than SF...

That's the point. In a Hasbro Rules tournament, you NEED to get KOed. That way, it is insanely easy to OS F, HF, RF, R2F, Q, and pretty much any F bottom outside of MF. Virgo has been tested to do slightly better with Stamina and Defense, so being a balance of sorts, I used that. Striker works too, I guess. An MF would make it harder to KO, and should make things slightly easier, but will reduce stamina slightly, so pick your use of a MF wisely.

When I say KO, I mean Knock Out or a Stadium Out. OS would mean Outspin. It gets very confusing as everyone uses a different method for naming this. I am merley stating this because either you are confused by my post, or I am just confused by yours, or both, haha.

Eiher way, that doesnt help me understand how FS KOd Earth 3 times. It isnt aggresive enough...

On a random note, I have been thing about what kind of damage Evil could do on a 230 track...

I know that Ray virgo was meant to be a stamina type, and the recoil was to put it in a pocket, and then OS the other bey. LeonTempest, LOL I've kind of been thinking the same thing, but with meteo and evil XD not having 230, I would just use 145 and hf/s for the height... but yeah, it might do some downward smash, with the edges on the bottom...

Meh, Killer is WAY too light. Anything could knock it over.

I think you're misunderstanding. I'm saying that unless you're going up against R2F, Ray Virgo CH120WD shouldn't be used against attack types while KOs are possible. Being knocked into a pocket, THEN OSing the opponent is the point. This is a very effective way to win against major attack types, and the average Defense Type shouldn't be able to OS Ray Virgo CH120WD easily. Of course, Stamina is an issue, though Burn should be easily knocked into a pocket, but Earth may be an issue.

That's the point. In a Hasbro Rules tournament, you NEED to get KOed. That way, it is insanely easy to OS F, HF, RF, R2F, Q, and pretty much any F bottom outside of MF. Virgo has been tested to do slightly better with Stamina and Defense, so being a balance of sorts, I used that. Striker works too, I guess. An MF would make it harder to KO, and should make things slightly easier, but will reduce stamina slightly, so pick your use of a MF wisely.

I am still a bit confsed by this post. The 1st bit of it doesnt really answer the post I made before it. I want to know how an FS KO'd and Eath based custom when FS isn't that aggresive

I was referring to your post on Ray Virgo. I'm kinda skeptic on LLD on FS. If it was CS, sure, but not FS.

I found out Meteo L Drago LW105F is a good combo.

Earth Bull 145WD vs Meteo L Drago LW105F

Spoiler (Click to View)

1. Meteo L Drago KO

2. Draw

3. Meteo L Drago KO

4. Earth Bull OS

5. Meteo L Drago OS

6. Earth Bull OS

7. Meteo L Drago KO

8. Meteo L Drago OS

9. Earth Bull OS

10. Meteo L Drago KO

11. Meteo L Drago OS

12. Earth Bull OS

13. Earth Bull OS

14. Meteo L Drago Os

15. Meteo L Drago KO

16. Earth Bull OS

17. DRAW

18. Earth Bull OS

19. Meteo L Drago OS

20. Draw

Meteo L Drago 50% win rate

Its quite good. I wouldn't mind if someone else was to try it.

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eh, a gimmick 145 like GB145 would have been better than just 145. LW105 has a negligable effect, and F has already been proven to be tier. However, the testing with MLD is greatly appreciated. Thanks for this.

By the way, what stadium did you use?

I used the Max Stampede Stadium.

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Why did you not redo the draws?
Sadly, I only have a TT MLD, so I can't test this.

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Hey, is FS a good sub for SF?

In a Hasbro stadium, both are tier, with SF being superior to FS. FS i still have doughts, IMO

Can 125 be a sub for CH120 in Ray Virgo CH120WD if it's unavailable?

I have a question: By metagame, you mean the online Beyblade game?

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"It is written among the limitless constellations of the celestial heavens, and in the depths of the emerald seas, and upon every grain of sand in the vast deserts, that the world which we see is an outed and visible dream of an inward and invisible reality." - Opening narration, The Thief and the Cobbler (original workprint)

I have a question: By metagame, you mean the online Beyblade game?

No, it means the real life metagame.

Oh, I see!

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"It is written among the limitless constellations of the celestial heavens, and in the depths of the emerald seas, and upon every grain of sand in the vast deserts, that the world which we see is an outed and visible dream of an inward and invisible reality." - Opening narration, The Thief and the Cobbler (original workprint)

Could someone possibly add pictures of the required stadiums for testing? I know there are descriptions of them, but pictures would really help me out.