personally, the one that works best for me is the first one. thermal is unbalenced, and striker provides more smash/recoil then any destabelizer I've EVER seen.

yes striker is a bit odd but i tested it. you can angke shoot it and it can sustain that angle for a while and lifting up the other bey in the air. crazy but true.

...Use F? It is quite easy. Get a KO, then wait until the other combo starts hitting the edge of the pockets. Of course, this will not work against 230 when it drops, and yes, a Destabiliser is best against Earth____145WD, but it's not impossible. (Or you could simply use Lightning L-Drago.) Bleh, Thermal is decent, though it can easily be KOed, so it is very sucseptible to the high-recoil stamina combos that are useful these days. (Ray Virgo CH120WD)

...Use F? It is quite easy. Get a KO, then wait until the other combo starts hitting the edge of the pockets. Of course, this will not work against 230 when it drops, and yes, a Destabiliser is best against Earth____145WD, but it's not impossible. (Or you could simply use Lightning L-Drago.) Bleh, Thermal is decent, though it can easily be KOed, so it is very sucseptible to the high-recoil stamina combos that are useful these days. (Ray Virgo CH120WD)

lol I did do it. And it got a huge amount of potential. I tried it with 100SF and WD and it got even the better of Burn Cancer 145WD. I will test it later against 100 and 120 height. And yes you can ko it, but the new rules are that even if they bey is in the pocket it don't count as a ko anymore.

Ok we need to clarify something here

Hasbro rules state that landing in the pocket isnt a KO

OUR rules state that landing in the pocket IS a KO, even if it bounces out.

Perhaps I should reword it

EDIT: it has been reworded slightly. See the misc section of the OP

Ok we need to clarify something here

Hasbro rules state that landing in the pocket is a KO

OUR rules state that landing in the pocket IS a KO, even if it bounces out.

Perhaps I should reword it

EDIT: it has been reworded slightly. See the misc section of the OP

oh ok, thank god! because that rule was plane outragous. I am relieved it is now we can get back with the real stuff again. Oh and by the way I tested
Lightning Ldrago 100D vs Burn Cancer 100WD
1.LL 6.LL 11.BC 16.LL
2.LL 7.BC 12.LL 17.LL
3.BC 8.LL 13.LL 18.LL
4.LL 9.LL 14.BC 19.LL
5.LL 10.LL 15.BC 20.LL
MXS stadium
Ldragi Light Launcher
R spinning bey string Launcher with costume grip
all victory involves OS they are pretty close

Thanks for your tests but you didnt include any real
details, such as stadiums, launchers, etc

Also i accidentaly typed "is" for the hasbro rule. in your quoye could you change it to say "isnt" sorry i just dont want to confuse anyone

There will never be tournaments using Hasbro BeyStadiums outside of Hasbro's tournaments though, so why make a change ? We do some extra changes to TAKARA-TOMY's rules because the WBBA's tournaments are never going to reach us yet we will be using TAKARA-TOMY's good stadiums, but there will just never be a case where Hasbro stadiums will be used anyway ...

It seems I had to reiterate this ...

This is for testing purposes only. This is certantly better than letting the hasbro players do nothing.

Also, someone told me they may/may not attempt to organize a unofficial Hasbro based tourney...nothing more will be said, and please dont hold me and this person to that either.

Now let us get back to testing

Personally, I was letting this thread go because OK, we might want to offer some piece of advice to kids who will participate in Hasbro's few tournaments, but if you are just going to do this for purely hypothetical reasons and that unapproved events are even going to be involved here, I am not certain ...

For once, I have to disagree with the ones who say that Hasbro has "invalid" rules. The thread was originally made so people could USE THESE RULES/DIFFERENCES to their advantage. When did this change? Never. Hasbro stuck with their rulings, so we should allow people to do what they wish with tests along the lines of this specific rule. It's really no different than the situation with Tornado Balance Type S' release, just reversed, as far as I know.

Kai-V: I did say do not hold me to the whole "unofficial tourney" thing. it was just a thought someone had, and i will not mention thier name either. I extremly dought it will even be planned out, much less happen. Forget I even mentioned it.

And as for us changing the rule to pockets is a KO, that is for testing only. Official Hasbro tourneys are pockets are not a KO, and testing with the pockets as a KO makes things a hell of alot easier. Testing with the pockets not as a KO doesnt help at all, and probobly wll just alter results too greatly

If any of you are still asking what the point of this all is, think about it. For the most part we have redirected all hasbro bladers to this thread. While there are still some, not as many people post combos in Hasbro stadiums in the official WBO testing threads. By doing this we have reduced the amount of conflict between users. Also think of how many peoplemare out there that want to test but cant because they lack the necisary equipment. This thread is for them. I am not saying this is a thread that is supposed to "make you feel better by participating in something imaginary"; that would be sort of cruel; no what this thread is a chance for people who only have Hasbro stadiums to do something fun and worth while. Despite what you say, 1 small rule change does not unprepare kids for Hasbro tourneys. This thread is a great way of seeing what beys to use in LigtingForce and (non-gimmick) Max Stampede stadiums.

Despite what you say, 1 small rule change does not unprepare kids for Hasbro tourneys. This thread is a great way of seeing what beys to use in LigtingForce and (non-gimmick) Max Stampede stadiums.

No, because a "good" combination that would constantly "knock" others in the pockets would probably be bad in a real tournament situation where pockets are still in-play area.

I see no point. Using the new rules directly prepares people fro Hasbro tournaments, while this would simply fool people into using RF. While RF wins occasionally, this is STILL not a major shakeup. You yourself said that RF should not be used in the last thread, if I recall.
The only problem should be the non-use of Burn, but really, THAT hasn't even been used lately. (Well, I like to use it as a Defense wheel, but if you screw up, you'll lose.) Regardless, this actually promotes good attack types that can actually stop an opponent from spinning, and Rock has an amazing solo-spin time. As I've said so many times, work around it.

this actually promotes good attack types that can actually stop an opponent from spinning, and Rock has an amazing solo-spin time. As I've said so many times, work around it.

Rock might be able to stop a few opponents form spinning but when Horoguim and BD145 are released rock wont be enough

The way i see it, if hasbro retains this rule then the metagame has taken a huge step backward.

honestly, was hasbro smoking something when they thought of that rule? maybe we should make a petition thread like we did with "Save our Stadiums" which halted the production of the Max Stampede Stadium with craters...they just couldn't give us what we wanted because of liscense agreements with TT.

I highly doubt we had anything to do with the fact that Hasbro released some prototype and unprototype Maximum Stampede stadiums ... Plus, they are still releasing those with the craters in the end, so the effect would be nullified anyway.

I think they switched back to the craters simply to get more merchandise out on the market. This would be a petition for a rule change for official Hasbro rules. Would such a thread be allowed to be made? Of course not right away but after some preparations.

well lightning and meteo seem to equalize and win even against burn. If you want i cant test it agianst my TT basalt wheel for a preview?

Why exactly isn't HF on the tier list for Lightning LDrago? It consistently outspins and KO's the balance customization I thought of among others. HF is probably able to outlast customs which are the pocket anyway so just deal with the rules. I pity the metagame when MF Meteo LDrago CH120XF is 'legal' to use.

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Why exactly isn't HF on the tier list for Lightning LDrago? It consistently outspins and KO's the balance customization I thought of among others. HF is probably able to outlast customs which are the pocket anyway so just deal with the rules. I pity the metagame when MF Meteo LDrago CH120XF is 'legal' to use.

oh i am sorry i did not mention witch combo I used.
LL100D upper-mode it spin steals allot and mostly outlast stamina and defense types

I think they switched back to the craters simply to get more merchandise out on the market. This would be a petition for a rule change for official Hasbro rules. Would such a thread be allowed to be made? Of course not right away but after some preparations.

Considering they already officially published it, that everybody has already read the rule as it is right now and that they would have to be super full of humility to write a big announcement saying : "SORRY, ONE OF OUR RULES SUCKED, IT'S CHANGED NOW", then I do not think that is ever going to happen. It is just way too bothersome for Hasbro and it would make them look even worse to go back on something that is established, than it is to see that they have this rule right now.

Why exactly isn't HF on the tier list for Lightning LDrago? It consistently outspins and KO's the balance customization I thought of among others. HF is probably able to outlast customs which are the pocket anyway so just deal with the rules. I pity the metagame when MF Meteo LDrago CH120XF is 'legal' to use.

The tier list on the OP is temporary. A seperate tier list is currently being constructed. And yes, HF has proven itself to be top tier, as well as HF/S in HF mode. No matter the metagame, S is still S...unless we are talking CS =D

Kai-V: I suppose you are right. Still, I feel that if we do use that one rule, we might as well forget this thread and never attempt to make a Hasbro thread agian. By that i mean, let's not do that, and keep testing the way we all have been.

Also lets face it, what little kid is actualy going to read the stuff in here for use in Hasbro tourneys? They all just think anything labeled Pegasis is a God...this thread is for people that have the skills to test and battle fir the WBO but dont have the right recources to do so.

For little kids that are actualy reading this, then I applaude you. You are the superior ones.

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well lightning and meteo seem to equalize and win even against burn. If you want i cant test it agianst my TT basalt wheel for a preview?

tests would be nice please, if you have the time. If not dont feel obligated, although any an all contributions are helpful and accepted, as long as they dont say "Pegasis is the strongest bey EVER!" Ugh (eye roll) That last part is not directed at you of course.

this actually promotes good attack types that can actually stop an opponent from spinning, and Rock has an amazing solo-spin time. As I've said so many times, work around it.

Rock might be able to stop a few opponents form spinning but when Horoguim and BD145 are released rock wont be enough

By then, we'll have Gravity. And the Rip Gauge Launcher, too. Just pointing out. Really, most people will have Rev-Up Launchers by then, too.

Rev up launchers are difficult to bank with in my opinion and it wont really make much of a difference if both players are using one. Also you cant be sure which mold of gravity Hasbro is going to release and i find that when basalt is used in a combo like MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS Gravity has a hard time KOing it even in a Takara Stadium.