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Hasbro Metagame Stadium & Combo Testing 2! Updates!!

Dec. 30, 2011  12:12 AM
 
Ill be doing some tests right now. Hit me with some untested combos. Ill also be doing some tests with Twisted on diffrent tracks and tips as well as some stuff i want to prove.



IF i dont post within the hour, ill probably be in astoria doing something my mum drsgged me into. Ill always be using LF stadium.
Got some results(out of 20 rounds)

Basalt Bull R145 R2F vs Hell Kerbecs BD145CS(boost mode)
Basalt bull win rate:20%
Hell Kerbecs win rate:80%


Hell BD145 CS had amazing defence but not as good as Basalt BD145 CS. Ill do some tests with that 2morrow
Dec. 30, 2011  1:24 AM
 
Your bull combo was a bit peculiar to say the least. there is almost no synergy between R2F and the rest of the parts used. Not to mention that its opponent is insanly powerful. how exactly did Bull win those 2 times? You need to put a bit more detail in your test posting in the future.
Dec. 30, 2011  1:36 AM
 
I just put together an anti-meta combo to see if it can be any good in Hsbro stadiums. My theory was proven right.

IN conclusion, this anti meta combo is inaffective to a hell bd145 cs combo.
Dec. 30, 2011  2:42 AM
 
Results for Dragon's Den Stadium:
Rounds out of 20.
Earth Horogium 145WD ( Stamina )
vs
Ray Unicorno 105R2F

Earth Tempo won. 16 OS.
Ray Unicorno, 4 KO's.
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Twisted Bull GB145RS vs Ray Unicorno 105R2F.

Twisted Bull won. 17 OS. 3 KO's.
Ray had no wins.

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Overall, the TR is horrible. So maintaining the sliding shoot is difficult. Also, since the 'flat zone' is so big, Defense and Stamina customs circle around it. Thus making the sliding shoot inaccurate, the chances of hitting the opponent with a sliding shoot is not big.
The Dragon's Den should NOT be used for Attack type Beys.
Dec. 30, 2011  2:45 AM
 
Try Ray Unicorno 100/105/D125F
F and HF are usually preferred in Hasbro stadiums
Dec. 30, 2011  2:47 AM
 
Against Twisted Bull or Earth Tempo? Or Both?
Dec. 30, 2011  2:47 AM
 
The same combo you originally used...?
Dec. 30, 2011  2:48 AM
 
(Dec. 30, 2011  2:47 AM)Lynxx Wrote: Against?
Same combo.
Also, try Flame Cancer 100FS against it, as well. I want to see if destabilizers troll more than MF Basalt Aquario BD145CS in Hasbro stadiums.
Dec. 30, 2011  2:54 AM
 
(Dec. 30, 2011  2:48 AM)CRUelty Wrote:
(Dec. 30, 2011  2:47 AM)Lynxx Wrote: Against?
Same combo.
Also, try Flame Cancer 100FS against it, as well. I want to see if destabilizers troll more than MF Basalt Aquario BD145CS in Hasbro stadiums.

I currently do not own Cancer or FS. I could use SF instead?
Dec. 30, 2011  2:58 AM
 
(Dec. 30, 2011  2:54 AM)Lynxx Wrote:
(Dec. 30, 2011  2:48 AM)CRUelty Wrote:
(Dec. 30, 2011  2:47 AM)Lynxx Wrote: Against?
Same combo.
Also, try Flame Cancer 100FS against it, as well. I want to see if destabilizers troll more than MF Basalt Aquario BD145CS in Hasbro stadiums.

I currently do not own Cancer or FS. I could use SF instead?
You could try, and since you don't have Cancer, see how Bull fares.

Dec. 30, 2011  3:11 AM
 
Wow. It didn't turn out as I thought it would.


Results in the Dragon's Den stadium

Flame Bull 100SF vs Earth Tempo 145WD

Earth Tempo: 15 OS.
Flame Bull: 5 Spin depletion's? Not sure what to call them. But Flame somehow just hit the track of Tempo.

Not sure how your results will end out.

Dec. 30, 2011  3:26 AM
 
Peculiar. Then again, when we tested MXS and LF it was durring season 1...

If what we assume is correct, and DD is LF, or atleast similar to it, then we should redo tests on some of our stadiums...

I will hold off on denouncing DD just yet. I would like one or 2 more tests with different beys to confirm these results. Preferably, pure tier attack beys, like MLD85LF/LRF, Ray Striker 90CS (aggressive) and maybe even Vulcan Heruseous 85R2F. If need be, use more balanced tips like SF if these types are unavaliable.

Thank you all for your tests
Dec. 30, 2011  4:13 AM
 
(Dec. 30, 2011  3:26 AM)LeonTempestXIII Wrote: Peculiar. Then again, when we tested MXS and LF it was durring season 1...

If what we assume is correct, and DD is LF, or atleast similar to it, then we should redo tests on some of our stadiums...

I will hold off on denouncing DD just yet. I would like one or 2 more tests with different beys to confirm these results. Preferably, pure tier attack beys, like MLD85LF/LRF, Ray Striker 90CS (aggressive) and maybe even Vulcan Heruseous 85R2F. If need be, use more balanced tips like SF if these types are unavaliable.

Thank you all for your tests

not to question you, but I think LLD 100/H145F/HF or Ray Striker 100F/HF would be good and Vulcan Byxis (it opens the contact points more) 85F/HF MIGHT fair better(could have to use taller track). that is from my knowladge, but those are more top tier in terms of pure HASBRO attack.
Dec. 30, 2011  4:16 AM
 
Whatever happened to F and HF being the preferred attack bottoms in Hasbro stadiums? They have an ability to KO and OS its opponents, while RF pretty much relies on KO (which is tough enough in Hasbro stadiums).
Dec. 30, 2011  4:19 AM
 
Yeah, I totaly forgot that. will edit my post now. and because I got new HF's, I could try to get that stadium and test
Dec. 30, 2011  5:43 AM
 
(Dec. 30, 2011  4:16 AM)CRUelty Wrote: Whatever happened to F and HF being the preferred attack bottoms in Hasbro stadiums? They have an ability to KO and OS its opponents, while RF pretty much relies on KO (which is tough enough in Hasbro stadiums).

what about cs? agresion and stamina shouldnt it be the oprefered bottom
Dec. 30, 2011  5:49 AM
 
(Dec. 30, 2011  5:43 AM)njrk97 Wrote:
(Dec. 30, 2011  4:16 AM)CRUelty Wrote: Whatever happened to F and HF being the preferred attack bottoms in Hasbro stadiums? They have an ability to KO and OS its opponents, while RF pretty much relies on KO (which is tough enough in Hasbro stadiums).

what about cs? agresion and stamina shouldnt it be the oprefered bottom
From old testing I did awhile back, an aggressive CS never did well from my experience.
Dec. 30, 2011  5:52 AM
 
(Dec. 30, 2011  3:11 AM)Lynxx Wrote: Results in the Dragon's Den stadium

Flame Bull 100SF vs Earth Tempo 145WD

Earth Tempo: 15 OS.
Flame Bull: 5 Spin depletion's? Not sure what to call them. But Flame somehow just hit the track of Tempo.

That doesn't make much sense.. The whole point is for Flame to hit the track: that isn't some strange malfunction. 100 vs 145, man.

Flame should be efficiently destabilizing Earth to a point that Flame should win, like, 90% of those battles.
I wonder if it is just you, or the stadium..
Dec. 30, 2011  5:58 AM
 
Things will open up for attack once we have "Spiral" Capricorn. MF has a lot of stamina for attack types, so it'll work well. BUT, seeing as it has less grip to the stadium, we'll need low-recoil attack wheels.(wow, really)
Dec. 30, 2011  6:08 AM
 
(Dec. 30, 2011  5:52 AM)Dan Wrote:
(Dec. 30, 2011  3:11 AM)Lynxx Wrote: Results in the Dragon's Den stadium

Flame Bull 100SF vs Earth Tempo 145WD

Earth Tempo: 15 OS.
Flame Bull: 5 Spin depletion's? Not sure what to call them. But Flame somehow just hit the track of Tempo.

That doesn't make much sense.. The whole point is for Flame to hit the track: that isn't some strange malfunction. 100 vs 145, man.

Flame should be efficiently destabilizing Earth to a point that Flame should win, like, 90% of those battles.
I wonder if it is just you, or the stadium..

I agree with Dan. How is it that now we are messing up the basics? Other than your lF, you have stated no specifc equipment. Are you even using sliding and banking shoot? Regarldess of what stadium, a low height attack type should almost always destabalize a 145 height type. Regardless of how bad a hasbro stadium is, flame bull shpuld theoreticly have a much higher win % in that situation.
Dec. 30, 2011  7:57 AM
 
Oh, must have been my bad launches. O.o Sorry.
Dec. 30, 2011  8:07 AM
 
(Dec. 30, 2011  3:26 AM)LeonTempestXIII Wrote: I will hold off on denouncing DD just yet. I would like one or 2 more tests with different beys to confirm these results. Preferably, pure tier attack beys, like MLD85LF/LRF, Ray Striker 90CS (aggressive) and maybe even Vulcan Heruseous 85R2F. If need be, use more balanced tips like SF if these types are unavaliable.
1. It's Vulcan Horuseus Wink
2.Meteo?
For attack?
No.
3. LF?
In a Hasbro? For attack?
lolno
4. F/HF are better Tongue_out
just saiyan
Dec. 30, 2011  4:47 PM
 
Ach! Spelling Error! Wink

You do realize that almost all Ftips in a Hasbro stadium are equally useful to some extent? (or useless depending on ones point of view) Plastic tips provide more stamina, which is required in a Hasbro stadium. We tested a while back that rubber flat style tips do preform similarly to other tips in the F series, however due to wear and unreliability of F tips in Hasbro stadiums to begin with, it is always better to go with a plastic F tip.

LF is plastic. I say its a potential tier here.

I have high hopes for Spiral Capricorn. Spiral and MF will be more than likely greatly enhance attack types in this metagame.

Lynxx: Its no problem. Just redo the tests when you get better launchers and have decent consistancy with the sooting techniques for attack types =D Banking will always be hard to do in a Hasbro stadium, but sliding is always going to work if you do it right

Meteo did show some attack potential. Besides, testing a left spin stealing attack type never hirt anyone. Well I shouldbt say that, but there is no real issue in testing it.

The problem with Hasbro stadiums are the small slopes, stamina centers, and pockets. The 2 exit design is fine, but Hasbro should have designed tight nets that could decrease momentum quickly enough to stop the bey. Pockets made from plastic just result in enough recoil to prevent KO's, which is how attack types win. Assuming that hasbro
didnt change the slopes or the center, and just changed the way the beys exit the stadium, you would see a drastic increase in attack type win percentage. I would guess and increase of maybe 30-40%

Rubber Flat style tips dont win in these stadiums because while powerful these stadiums prevent KO'ing 99% of the time, and they dont have enough stamina to deal consistant damage to thier opponents over time. Thus, SF, F, WF, XF, HF, and HF/S (HF mode) are all prefered over RF, R2F, and LRF. Still more testing needs to be done on those 3 tips, as well as LF.
Dec. 30, 2011  6:46 PM
 
Plastic tips may help in hasbro stadiums, but when my opponent uses a plastic flat tip such as F/HF/LF/WF, I use an R2F to counter it, because rubber has more grip, and I know I can knockout the other bey due to the grip on rubber tips.
Dec. 30, 2011  8:12 PM
 
Did all of our posts after kbuno's just get deleted?????

CRUelty posted about wanting to test kbuno's theory. I seconded that, and then stated that I updated the OP...

Now all my updates to the OP are gone. Wtf?
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