Griffolyon draft - Kei can you have a look ?

Okay, here you go.

I reworked it extensively. Should be ready to go now, other than the name of the black version and pictures, and probably some spelling consistencies and such.

There are some pretty big changes from my last draft, but this is written with a much fresher memory of it, having spent the last couple of days working with it and triple wing and so on. More details in the spoiler, but yeah.

Just to make things clear before going into this, in case anyone enters a state of shock from the mind-breaking information contained in this article: Cross Griffon is as good as Triple Wing

Just thought I'd get that out of the way so we're all on the same level here. I have tests on SG Metal Flat 2 AND Grip Base to back that up, and Poseidon got similar results when he tested on SG MF2. Those results are in one of the plastics threads, mine are at the bottom of this post. I won't go so far as to say it's better, though I get better results, but it is at least as good as Triple Wing.

All good now? All ready? Right, let's get into it then:

Quote:{{Beybox
| image = Griffolyon.jpg
| full item name = Griffolyon
| item number = A-28
| beyblade system = [[4-Layer]]/[[Hidden Spirit]]
| beyblade type = [[Attack]]
| starter or booster = Booster
}}
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== Attack Ring (AR): Cross Griffon ==

The Attack Ring of Griffolyon, Cross Griffon, takes the form of four sets of griffon heads and wings, and is somewhat thick compared to other commonly used attack rings.

While it was long overlooked, largely due to the ban on competitive use of [[Hidden Spirit]] Parts, recent testing has shown it to have [[Smash Attack]] to be on par with that of the famed Triple Wing ([[Trygle]]), and the legalisation of the Hidden Spirit Attack Rings for competitive play has resulted in Cross Griffon finally seeing tournament usage.

The main contact points, the four wing tips, are sharp and well spaced, producing an incredible amount of [[Smash Attack]] in right spin. The shape of these contact points helps focus the pressure from their attacks, dealing more damage to the opponent, and the overall size of the attack ring means it has excellent attack range. Lastly, while it lacks the slopes that a number of [[Smash Attack]] ARs are able to use to destabilise opponents and score outspins, it compensates for this with some of the most effective stopping power of any Attack Ring; Cross Griffon is able to deliver powerful hits that interrupt the rotation of opposing beyblades, severely reducing their stamina, if not bringing them to a halt entirely.

While Cross Griffon has slightly more [[recoil]] than Triple Wing, this is naturally controlled by most standard [[Smash Attack]] setups; [[Wide Defense]] alone is enough to control recoil on rubber tipped bases, including the extremely fast, extremely light [[Dragoon Grip Attacker|Grip Base]], and either [[Wide Defense]] and an [[Spin_Gear#V_and_V2_Series_Spin_Gears|MG Core]], or a [[Spin_Gear#V_and_V2_Series_Spin_Gears|Heavy Metal Core]] and [[Wide Weight Disks|10 Wide]] are enough to negate any recoil on [[Gaia Dragoon V|SG Metal Flat 2]].

A further advantage Cross Griffon has over Triple Wing is its thickness. Along with the greater availability and lower price of Griffolyon compared to Trygle, the thickness of Cross Griffon means that despite the incredibly forceful impacts it produces, it is very unlikely to break, even on extremely fast bases such as [[Dragoon Grip Attacker|Grip Base]], making it a more economical choice. That said, the sharp wing tips can cause damage to Stadium walls and more fragile opponents, and this may counteract any savings from the lower price.

While the additional [[recoil]] should be accounted for, Cross Griffon may be used in any standard [[Smash Attack]] customization with outstanding results.

=== Use in [[Smash Attack]] Customization ===

Arguably the best use of Cross Griffon’s properties is:

* '''AR:''' Cross Griffon
* '''WD:''' [[Wide Defense]]
* '''SG:''' [[Spin_Gear#V_and_V2_Series_Spin_Gears|Neo Right SG]] (MG Core)
* '''BB:''' SG Metal Flat 2 ([[Gaia Dragoon V]])

This combination is designed to capitalize on Cross Griffon’s most notable advantages. [[Wide Defense]] bolsters the already excellent stopping power of Cross Griffon, the externalised weight distribution making its movement and hits harder to interrupt, and also increasing speed and [[Survival]]. An MG Core is used to reduce the recoil to a point of irrelevancy, while having a small enough impact on stamina to allow the combination to effectively outspin a wide range of opponents, even without its signature stamina-destroying ability.

As always, SG Metal Flat 2 provides excellent speed and power for knock-outs, but its solid survival ability is what really makes this customisation so deadly. Cross Griffon’s powerful [[Smash Attack]] produces excellent stopping power; even if it fails to knock the opponent out of the stadium, the extremely heavy hits it delivers often disrupt opponents’ spin, heavily reducing their survival ability, sometimes even stopping them outright. The[[Survival]] ability of SG Metal Flat 2 capitalises on this, resulting in a combination that can defeat an opponent through both knock out and outspin.

A [[Spin_Gear#V_and_V2_Series_Spin_Gears|Heavy Metal Core]] may be used for extra controllability, but due to the negative impact it has on Survival ability, it is generally a better idea to practice launching until you can control the combination.

=== Mold Difference ===
[[Hasbro]] versions of this AR have attachment points for the figurine located on the top of the AR rather than the base. These only add recoil, especially against taller opponents, and as such a [[Takara]] Cross Griffon is greatly preferred.


== Weight Disk (WD): 8 Balance ==
See [[Balance Weight Disks|8 Balance]]

== Base: Griffolyon Base ==
=== Ruling Clarification ===
Griffolyon Base is not legal for use in World Beyblade Organization-sanctioned tournaments. The following is included for informational purposes only.


'''Griffolyon Base''' has an integrated SG, similar to first generation beyblades. The main gimmick of this base is that the tip is not attached directly to the base, but instead is attached to a cylindrical body, which sits inside the shaft of the base, allowing a small amount of free-spin, albeit limited by the friction produced by plastic-on-plastic contact.

The tip itself is a tall, narrow, rounded tip, providing little movement, no [[Defense]], and very poor balance, which also results in poor [[Survival]].

These balance and [[Defense]] issues are compounded by the poles used to attach the included figurine (the main gimmick of the hidden spirit beys), which extend downward from the base, and scrape easily when the base loses balance, or is hit hard enough to move away from the centre of the stadium, both of which are extremely common events. This is further worsened by the fact the bases of these poles protrude from the otherwise round perimeter of the base, creating massive amounts of [[recoil]], allowing even the most passive opponents to violently knock it out of the stadium.

These issues come together to give it some of the poorest stamina ability of the entire plastic generation: even Defense Grip Base ([[Seaborg]]), a base that has such poor stamina that it sees almost no use despite having almost peerless [[Defense|Defensive]] ability, is able to consistently outspin it. Its [[Defense]] is so bad that it is easily knocked out by even the most passive opponents, and as mentioned before, it lacks any [[Attack]] ability. Furthermore, unlike other similarly terrible bases, such as [[Trygle]]’s SG Jumping Base, it lacks an interesting gimmick. All of these factors mean it is able to make a very strong claim for the title of “Worst Base in the Entire Plastics Generation.”

Obviously, even if it were legal, there would be absolutely no reason to use this base under any circumstance.


=== Mold Difference ===
[[Hasbro]] releases of Griffolyon Base have the poles removed (though the bases of them are still present). This provides slightly better [[Survival]]. However, it still uses the same tip, and the bases of where the poles are on the Takara version are still present, interrupting the circular shape of the base, and allowing easy purchase for opposing [[Attack]] types, and as such it still has poor [[Survival]]. Furthermore, the shape of the base makes is an easy target for [[Upper Attack]], although whether it is more or less vulnerable to low attackers than its [[Takara]] counterpart is questionable. While it is generally slightly better than its [[Takara]] counterpart, it is still just as useless competitively, and as such, best avoided, especially as it comes with a less useful mold of the Cross Griffon, the only useful part of this beyblade. The [[Hasbro]] mold of Griffolyon Base, just like the [[Takara]] Version, is not legal for competitive use.

== Other Versions ==
* Griffolyon 2 (Hasbro) (Dark Purple, [[Hasbro]] Mold)
* A-128 - Bakutenryu Etanzel Dragon (Red)
* '''Griffolyon''' - Black Ver. ([[Takara]])

== Overall ==
With its powerful [[Smash Attack|Smash]]-Focused Attack Ring and atrocious blade base, comparisons between Griffolyon and [[Trygle]] are inevitable. This, however, is not necessarily bad for Griffolyon, as it has a number of advantages over its more popular counterpart, most notably its increased aggression.

On the whole, Griffolyon should not be seen as a mere substitute for [[Trygle]], but a very viable alternative. '''All serious competitive bladers should own one of the two, if not both.'''

[[CategoryTongue_outlastic Beyblade]]
[[Category:Beyblade]]


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If anyone has the name of the Black Recolour, it would be helpful :3


Okay, here’s the testing I mentioned. Enjoy!


EDIT: UPDATED WITH A LITTLE GRIP BASE TESTING! No idea why but I got better results on SG MF 2. Had a rough day with rubber tips as a whole today, but even with that, Cross Griffon is still outperforming Triple Wing. :l
Triple Wing works better on Grip Base if you don't have wide defense, but Cross Griffon+10 Wide+HMC is better than the same with Triple Wing, soo...
"these contact points helps focus the"
I think it should be "help", rather than "helps".

"focused around making maximising Cross Griffon’s "
You'll have to pick just one of the two, maximizing or making. If you choose making, you need to edit the sentence a bit.

‘’Ruling Clarification’’
Either the first quotation is an error, or a punctutation I have never seen before.

"very poor surviival."
Double "i".

"the base makes is an easy target"
Either "makes it" or "is"

"counterpart, it is still just as competitively useless"
It sounds better "useless competitively".
Will fix those tomorrow, thanks again for looking it over Smile

The punctuation is to make it bold on the wiki, but MS Word's "smart quotations" are dumb.

Edit: Corrections done.
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Griffoly...#pid885449

Formatting is complete, along with a few tweaks here and there (most notably to the overall section).

It'd be cool if someone could give us some info on the black recolor, too. The site with all the weights which I forget the name of has pictures of the black version's parts.
Another great article. It was cool reading about Cross Griffon; I literally cannot remember anyone ever talking about it. Just a few issues:

Make sure you capitalize terms like "Attack Ring" and "Recoil".

Quote:=== Mold Difference ===
[[Hasbro]] releases of Griffolyon Base have the poles removed (though the bases of them are still present). This provides slightly better [[Survival]]. However, it still uses the same tip, and the bases of where the poles are on the Takara version are still present, interrupting the circular shape of the base, and allowing easy purchase for opposing [[Attack]] types, and as such it still has poor [[Survival]].

Am I missing something here? "easy purchase"? LOL.

Quote:The [[Hasbro]] mold of Griffolyon Base, just like the [[Takara]] Version, is not legal for competitive use.

This sentence at the end of the Mold Differences section is not necessary.
No one did as far as I can tell, a real diamond in the rough that was the hidden spirit line. I had a fake one as a kid (it's still around somewhere, the only fake AR I have that survived because of how sturdy it is), I loved it, and a (Fake, Again) Cross Griffon combination (on a plain Flat Base, I think?) dominated at my primary school, and was famed for destroying other beyblades. It was really odd hearing nothing about it here until Poseidon bought it up.

Perhaps it was because most people had the Hasbro Version, which has the silly poles, or something Confused

But yeah, it is undeniably a fantastic AR, I've been playing with it and triple wing in every attack combination I can put together, still hoping I've missed something about triple wing, but Cross Griffon always works at least as well.

Purchase is used there as a synonym for grasp, basically, they're easy for attackers to hook into. Couldn't think of a better word but maybe it's one of those things that isn't that common outside of certain localities. Give me a few minutes and I'll have something better.

As for the base part, I wasn't really sure whether I needed to re-state that, so I played it safe. Will lop it off.

Admittedly, the base section was the one I was most worried about. It's a struggle to sound objective when you're dealing with a part that is just so utterly terrible at everything, but it really is just that bad.


EDIT: Here's an updated version:


Quote:{{Beybox
| image = Griffolyon.jpg
| full item name = Griffolyon
| item number = A-28
| beyblade system = [[4-Layer]]/[[Hidden Spirit]]
| beyblade type = [[Attack]]
| starter or booster = Booster
}}
__TOC__

== Attack Ring (AR): Cross Griffon ==

The Attack Ring of Griffolyon, Cross Griffon, takes the form of four sets of griffon heads and wings, and is somewhat thick compared to other commonly used Attack Rings.

While it was long overlooked, largely due to the ban on competitive use of [[Hidden Spirit]] Parts, recent testing has shown it to have [[Smash Attack]] to be on par with that of the famed Triple Wing ([[Trygle]]), and the legalisation of the Hidden Spirit Attack Rings for competitive play has resulted in Cross Griffon finally seeing tournament usage.

The main contact points, the four wing tips, are sharp and well spaced, producing an incredible amount of [[Smash Attack]] in right spin. The shape of these contact points helps focus the pressure from their attacks, dealing more damage to the opponent, and the overall size of the Attack Ring means it has excellent attack range. Lastly, while it lacks the slopes that a number of [[Smash Attack]] ARs are able to use to destabilise opponents and score outspins, it compensates for this with some of the most effective stopping power of any Attack Ring; Cross Griffon is able to deliver powerful hits that interrupt the rotation of opposing beyblades, severely reducing their stamina, if not bringing them to a halt entirely.

While Cross Griffon has slightly more [[Recoil]] than Triple Wing, this is naturally controlled by most standard [[Smash Attack]] setups; [[Wide Defense]] alone is enough to control Recoil on rubber tipped bases, including the extremely fast, extremely light [[Dragoon Grip Attacker|Grip Base]], and either [[Wide Defense]] and an [[Spin_Gear#V_and_V2_Series_Spin_Gears|MG Core]], or a [[Spin_Gear#V_and_V2_Series_Spin_Gears|Heavy Metal Core]] and [[Wide Weight Disks|10 Wide]] are enough to negate any Recoil on [[Gaia Dragoon V|SG Metal Flat 2]].

A further advantage Cross Griffon has over Triple Wing is its thickness. Along with the greater availability and lower price of Griffolyon compared to Trygle, the thickness of Cross Griffon means that despite the incredibly forceful impacts it produces, it is very unlikely to break, even on extremely fast bases such as [[Dragoon Grip Attacker|Grip Base]], making it a more economical choice. That said, the sharp wing tips can cause damage to Stadium walls and more fragile opponents, and this may counteract savings from the lower price.

While the additional [[Recoil]] should be accounted for, Cross Griffon may be used in any standard [[Smash Attack]] customization with outstanding results.

=== Use in [[Smash Attack]] Customization ===

Arguably the best use of Cross Griffon’s properties is:

* '''AR:''' Cross Griffon
* '''WD:''' [[Wide Defense]]
* '''SG:''' [[Spin_Gear#V_and_V2_Series_Spin_Gears|Neo Right SG]] (MG Core)
* '''BB:''' SG Metal Flat 2 ([[Gaia Dragoon V]])

This combination is designed to capitalize on Cross Griffon’s most notable advantages. [[Wide Defense]] bolsters the already excellent stopping power of Cross Griffon, the externalised weight distribution making its movement and hits harder to interrupt, and also increasing speed and [[Survival]]. An MG Core is used to reduce the Recoil to a point of irrelevancy, while having a small enough impact on stamina to allow the combination to effectively outspin a wide range of opponents, even without its signature stamina-destroying ability.

As always, SG Metal Flat 2 provides excellent speed and power for knock-outs, but its solid survival ability is what really makes this customisation so deadly. Cross Griffon’s powerful [[Smash Attack]] produces excellent stopping power; even if it fails to knock the opponent out of the stadium, the extremely heavy hits it delivers often disrupt opponents’ spin, heavily reducing their survival ability, sometimes even stopping them outright. The[[Survival]] ability of SG Metal Flat 2 capitalises on this, resulting in a combination that can defeat an opponent through both knock out and outspin.

A [[Spin_Gear#V_and_V2_Series_Spin_Gears|Heavy Metal Core]] may be used for extra controllability, but due to the negative impact it has on Survival ability, it is generally a better idea to practice launching until you can control the combination.

=== Mold Difference ===
[[Hasbro]] versions of this AR have attachment points for the figurine located on the top of the AR rather than the base. These only add Recoil, especially against taller opponents, and as such a [[Takara]] Cross Griffon is greatly preferred.


== Weight Disk (WD): 8 Balance ==
See [[Balance Weight Disks|8 Balance]]

== Base: Griffolyon Base ==
=== Ruling Clarification ===
Griffolyon Base is not legal for use in World Beyblade Organization-sanctioned tournaments. The following is included for informational purposes only.


'''Griffolyon Base''' has an integrated SG, similar to first generation beyblades. The main gimmick of this base is that the tip is not attached directly to the base, but instead is attached to a cylindrical body, which sits inside the shaft of the base, allowing a small amount of free-spin, albeit limited by the friction produced by plastic-on-plastic contact.

The tip itself is a tall, narrow, rounded tip, providing little movement, no [[Defense]], and very poor balance, which also results in poor [[Survival]].

These balance and [[Defense]] issues are compounded by the poles used to attach the included figurine (the main gimmick of the Hidden Spirit Beyblades), which extend downward from the base, and scrape easily when the base loses balance, or is hit hard enough to move away from the centre of the stadium, both of which are extremely common events. This is further worsened by the fact the bases of these poles protrude from the otherwise round perimeter of the base, creating massive amounts of [[Recoil]], allowing even the most passive opponents to violently knock it out of the stadium.

These issues come together to give it some of the poorest stamina ability of the entire plastic generation: even Defense Grip Base ([[Seaborg]]), a base that has such poor stamina that it sees almost no use despite having almost peerless [[Defense|Defensive]] ability, is able to consistently outspin it. Its [[Defense]] is so bad that it is easily knocked out by even the most passive opponents, and as mentioned before, it lacks any [[Attack]] ability. Furthermore, unlike other similarly terrible bases, such as [[Trygle]]’s SG Jumping Base, it lacks an interesting gimmick. All of these factors mean it is able to make a very strong claim for the title of “Worst Base in the Entire Plastics Generation.”

Obviously, even if it were legal, there would be absolutely no reason to use this base under any circumstance.


=== Mold Difference ===
[[Hasbro]] releases of Griffolyon Base have the poles removed (though the bases of them are still present). This provides slightly better [[Survival]]. However, it still uses the same tip, and the bases of where the poles are on the Takara version are still present, interrupting the circular shape of the base, and making an easy target for opposing [[Attack]] types. As such it still has poor [[Survival]].

Furthermore, the shape of the base makes it an easy target for [[Upper Attack]], although whether it is more or less vulnerable to low attackers than its [[Takara]] counterpart is questionable.
While it is generally slightly better than its [[Takara]] counterpart, it is still just as useless competitively, and as such, best avoided, especially as it comes with a less useful mold of the Cross Griffon, the only useful part of this beyblade.

== Other Versions ==
* Griffolyon 2 (Hasbro) (Dark Purple, [[Hasbro]] Mold)
* A-128 - Bakutenryu Etanzel Dragon (Red)
* '''Griffolyon''' - Black Ver. ([[Takara]])

== Overall ==
With its powerful [[Smash Attack|Smash]]-Focused Attack Ring and atrocious blade base, comparisons between Griffolyon and [[Trygle]] are inevitable. This, however, is not necessarily bad for Griffolyon, as it has a number of advantages over its more popular counterpart, most notably its increased aggression.

On the whole, Griffolyon should not be seen as a mere substitute for [[Trygle]], but a very viable alternative. '''All serious competitive bladers should own one of the two, if not both.'''

[[CategoryTongue_outlastic Beyblade]]
[[Category:Beyblade]]
(Feb. 06, 2012  7:55 AM)th!nk Wrote: Purchase is used there as a synonym for grasp, basically, they're easy for attackers to hook into. Couldn't think of a better word but maybe it's one of those things that isn't that common outside of certain localities. Give me a few minutes and I'll have something better.

As for the base part, I wasn't really sure whether I needed to re-state that, so I played it safe. Will lop it off.

Admittedly, the base section was the one I was most worried about. It's a struggle to sound objective when you're dealing with a part that is just so utterly terrible at everything, but it really is just that bad.

Yeah, I'm sure I would not have been the only one to do a double-take when I read that haha.

The section was already long enough and you had already stated at the beginning that the part was illegal, soo

It's fine. There are some parts that simply are undeniably horrible. You did a good job of describing the part and why it is horrible, which is as important as describing why something is good.

Feel free to post this now. Smile
Yay! So glad to get the go ahead Smile

Gonna go grab a milo, and then yeah, up it shall go!

Thankyou Smile
Article is Up!: http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Griffolyon