Welcome to this testing thread. I am comparing Genbull Dragooon SA165GF and Genbull Dragooon BD145GF. Please tell me which one you think is better.

Genbull Dragooon SA165GF (Click to View)

Concept (Click to View)

This is meant to be a left-spin staller similar to Genbull Dragooon T125GCF but with a taller height and a faster speed. This Beyblade has high stability too.

Launch (Click to View)

Avoid Self KOs by weak lauching and then read the below.
Stamina: Bank with 80-85% power or stall with 65% power. Any is fine.
Defence: Stall with 65% power. Avoid ALL contact at the beginning of the battle.
Attack or anything fast moving: Just stall with 70% power.

Tests (Click to View)

Stamina (Click to View)

GD vs. Duo Gasher W145WD
Duo launched first. Dragooon banked 5 times, stalled 5 times.
Duo: 8 wins all OS
GD: 2 wins, 1 OS, 1 KO
Win Rate: 20%
Not so great.

Defense (Click to View)

GD vs. Revizer Killerken E230CS
RK launched first.
RK: 0 wins
GD: 10 wins all OS
Win Rate: 100%
Not surpised. Spin Stealer vs. Defense.You know what happens.

Attack (Click to View)

GD vs. Bahamida Ifraid SA165 (normal) RF
GD launched first, Barely not prime RF.
BI: 0 wins
GD: 5 wins, 2 OS, 3 KO
Win rate: 100%
GD stopped all attacks then spin stole.
GD vs. Girago Wyvang S130RF
GD launched first, same RF
GW: 1 win all KO
GD: 19 wins, 3 KO, 16 OS
Win rate: 95%

Balance (Click to View)

GD vs. Gryph^2 E230BSF
GD launched first.
GG (lol): 1 win, all OS
GD: 9 wins, all OS
Win Rate: 90%
Gryph actually put up a good fight and is a dangerous opponent if you cannot control this bey.
Genbull Dragooon SA165GF vs. Killerken Girago BD145RF
KG: 4 wins, all KO
GD: 6 wins, all OS
Win rate: 60%
vs. Wyvang Girago BD145RSF
WG: 1 win, KO
GD: 9 wins, 8 OS, 1 KO
Win rate: 90%
Big difference between GD BD145 and GD.

Counters (Click to View)

Duo W145/SA165BWD/EWD/WD.

Genbull Dragooon BD145GF (Click to View)

Concept (Click to View)

This is basically Genbull Dragooon SA165GF except it has more raw power. In other words it has better defense and attack as well as higher stability however it lacks LAD, stamina, and controllability.

Launch (Click to View)

You launch the same as Genbull Dragooon SA165GF except try to hit defense types and always bank against stamina.

Tests (Click to View)

Attack (Click to View)

Girago Wyvang S130RF vs. Genbull Dragooon BD145GF
GD BD145 launched first, GW stalled.
GW: 2 wins, all KO
GD BD145: 8 wins, 2 KO, 6 OS
Win rate: 80%
Yay

Defense (Click to View)

Revizer Killerken E230CS vs. Genbull Dragooon BD145GF
RK launched first.
RK: 3 wins, all OS
GD BD145: 7 wins, all OS
Win rate: 70%
I thought GD BD145 would hit at least 80%. :\

Stamina (Click to View)

Duo Gasher W145WD vs. Genbull Dragooon BD145GF
Duo: 10 Wins, all OS
GD BD145: 10 wins, 6 KO, 4 OS
Win rate: 50%
Wow! I had no idea of GD BD145’s power. It must have been the BD145 that helped make the KO’s

Balance (Click to View)

Genbull Dragooon BD145GF vs. Killerken Girago SA165RF (I don’t have 2 Giragos or 2 BD145s)
KG banked.
KG: 4 wins, 2 OS, 2 KO
GD: 6 wins, all OS
Win rate: 60%
This is so awesome!
vs. Wyvang Girago SA165RSF
1 double KO.
WG: 4 wins, 3 KO, 1 OS
GD BD145: 6 wins, 2 KO, 4 OS
Win Rate: 60%
Not surprised.

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I am an odd person sometimes, here's why (Click to View)

What's the point of comparing them exactly? I don't see how Genbull Dragooon SA165GF could do good in standard format. I've never heard of it being used in the BB10.

Also remember this, 20 rounds.

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still posi

What's the point of comparing them exactly? I don't see how Genbull Dragooon SA165GF could do good in standard format. I've never heard of it being used in the BB10.

Also remember this, 20 rounds.

I do have 20 rounds for a few tests. I'm comparing them to see which is best for The List.

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I am an odd person sometimes, here's why (Click to View)

Can't you just do it like this on the list: Genbull Dragooon SA165/BD145GF. So people can have two options...

What's the point of comparing them exactly? I don't see how Genbull Dragooon SA165GF could do good in standard format. I've never heard of it being used in the BB10.

Also remember this, 20 rounds.

I do have 20 rounds for a few tests. I'm comparing them to see which is best for The List.

Are you serious? You always do 20 tests unless it is blatantly clear that the results will always be consistent in favor of one Beyblade over the other. And even then, people will hold you in a significantly higher regard as a tester if you do 20 rounds for all of your tests.

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Tournaments I've Attended (Click to View)

4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

My Testing Threads (All Zero-G) (Click to View)

Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

HMS Resources (Click to View)

HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
HMS General Discussion

I can understand if you do only 10 and its 10/0, but 4/6 you need to do 20.

Are these combos suppose to do something other combos can't?

Please specify which mode SA165 is in.

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

Uh... :\

20 every time, unless it's literally 10/0.

Does this actually need a thread? LOL just post it in the discussion. XD But anywho, if we were to add GF balance (which I don't really think is gonna happen without some kind of miracle), I'd vote BD145. It's far safer and more reliable.

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^^
SA165 can be used in 0G though.

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Veteran, just getting back into the sway of things

I can understand if you do only 10 and its 10/0, but 4/6 you need to do 20.

Are these combos suppose to do something other combos can't?

Please specify which mode SA165 is in.

It's in normal mode. I didn't have time to do 20 tests. I've already done at least 60 battles in all.

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I am an odd person sometimes, here's why (Click to View)

Oh my gosh... if SA165 is in normal mode, there is literally zero reason to use SA165 over BD145.

You do know the sole purpose of using GF on Dragooon is to spin-equalize, right?

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Oh my gosh... if SA165 is in normal mode, there is literally zero reason to use SA165 over BD145.

You do know the sole purpose of using GF on Dragooon is to spin-equalize, right?

SA165 adds LAD.
Check the tests.

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I am an odd person sometimes, here's why (Click to View)

Sorry, but if you're trading stability for LAD, then you will lose. GF is a stability tip, and if you are aiming to fall over just use F230CF.
And seeing the tests, I don't think there is much reason to use over F230CF. F230CF pretty much hits the same win rates, (except for the part where it wins Stamina and attack may be slightly better) and is more reliable and contollable (stalling is harder in tournaments, which GF has to acheive perfectly)
Just my 2 cents

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Just a blader out  of interest.

I wouldn't say that. F230CF adds more recoil from tournament experience. BD145GF paired up with Dragooon is a total monster.

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I am your dog.
Thanks for the sig, Rock kyoya!

I wouldn't say that. F230CF adds more recoil from tournament experience. BD145GF paired up with Dragooon is a total monster.

BD145GF is great if you don't bank too deep.

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I am an odd person sometimes, here's why (Click to View)

I can understand if you do only 10 and its 10/0, but 4/6 you need to do 20.

Are these combos suppose to do something other combos can't?

Please specify which mode SA165 is in.

It's in normal mode. I didn't have time to do 20 tests. I've already done at least 60 battles in all.

I'd hate to sound rude, but if you don't have time to do 20 rounds, you shouldn't make the thread...

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SA165 can be used in 0G though.

Is this in the Zero G forum. Plus I agree with TBD.

@KingRagerBlade!: Hence "though."
Thanks.

Anyways, on the topic of the combo and not just agreeing with people who know what they're talking about, let me give a quick synopsis:

Okay so BD145 and SA165
SA165, in lower mode, will add more LAD once this combo tips over. However, it is ABSOLUTELY USELESS when paired with GF (Unless in 0G of course). With this combo, all SA165 does is give more room to right spin attack customs for knocking it out.

BD145 Adds more weight, that of which is needed for the excessive and often uncontrollable speed of Giga Flat. It also puts this custom lower so it can steamroll the hell out of right spin attack customs and other combos alike. Now, it does not have quite the same effect as R2F, keeping friction in order to stay in the stadium. GF smacks into the other, or it out spins the opponent.

BD145. Better for this combo.
Put SA165 in attack mode with GF and put it in a 0G stadium, you'll be fine for the most part.

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Veteran, just getting back into the sway of things

I did 10 more rounds for Duo W145WD. be expecting more tests today.

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I am an odd person sometimes, here's why (Click to View)

Honestly, you are launching these combos wrong. You don't bank at all. You just have to normal launch. I'll have tests soon.

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I am your dog.
Thanks for the sig, Rock kyoya!

Weak launching would probably be the best way, actually. GF at even a normal launch is far to hard to control, especially if you were in a competitive situation.

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still posi

Slight banking helps get KOs. That's why I bank.

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I am an odd person sometimes, here's why (Click to View)

Sorry if this may sound stupid, but can't the comparison between the two be conducted in their respected threads since each already has one?

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Time. *gets up and leaves*

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i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

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Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




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Extremely useless. 
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I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

I thought of that but I didn't like that idea.

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