Standard Procedure
Equipment:
BB-10 Attack Type Stadium
3 Segment Launcher Grip w/ Grip Rubber and Metal Assist
Beylauncher w/ Launcher Rubber
R2F in prime condition
CS is mostly calm

Attack Tests (Click to View)

Gargole Gargole W145R2F vs. MF-H Duo Cancer BD145CS
Gargole Gargole: 2/20 (1 KO, 1 OS)
Duo Cancer: 18/20 (18 OS)
Gargole Win%: 10%

Unfortunately similar to Phoenic, Gargole synchromed with itself covers most of the few points on the Wheel that might have potential attack. Most of the time it just pushed Duo Cancer around the Stadium. The OS came from a surprising hit that caused Duo Cancer to scrape.

So after that test I examined Gargole again and noticed it actually has some slopes that might make for some Force Smash.


MSF Gargole Gargole TH170(220)R2F vs. MF-H Duo Cancer BD145CS
Gargole Gargole: 9/20 (2 KO, 7 OS)
Duo Cancer: 11/20 (11 OS)
Gargole Win%: 45%

Gargole definitely has some Force Smash when placed at the bottom of the Wheel. I'm not sure if this is better than MF-H Big Bang___230R2F because my Big Bang broke some time ago, but even though it wasn't that good I found this fun to play around with.

Defense Tests (Click to View)

MSF-H Gargole Gargole BD145CS vs. MF-H Flash Escolpio W145R2F
Gargole Gargole: 12/20 (2 KO, 10 OS)
Flash Escolpio: 8/20 (8 KO)
2 Ties
Gargole Gargole Win%: 60%


MSF-H Dragooon Gargole BD145CS vs. MF-H Flash Escolpio W145R2F
Dragooon Gargole: 13/20 (2 KO, 11 OS)
Flash Escolpio: 7/20 (7 KO)
3 Ties
Dragooon Gargole Win%: 65%

It's not bad by any means for Defense, but right now I don't see any reason to use it over something like Revizer.

Benchmark (Click to View)

MF-H Duo Cancer BD145CS vs. MF-H Flash Escolpio W145R2F
Duo Cancer: 6/20 (6 OS)
Flash Escolpio: 14/20 (12 KO, 2 OS)


MSF-H Revizer Revizer BD145CS vs. MF-H Flash Escolpio W145R2F
Revizer Revizer: 15/20 (15 OS)
Flash Escolpio: 5/20 (5 KO)

If anyone wants to contribute some tests or request a combo, feel free to do so!

thanks for the useful information
now i know which one to get
your test are highly appreciated

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Well can you do MSF gargoyle gryph TH170 RF also do you have phantom E230CS cause i would like to see that combo vs MSF gargoyle gryph thanks for the test

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A few of the Chrome Wheels that've been released so far seem to have pretty exceptional Force Smash at TH170's 220 height and occasionally 230, but I guess Gargole isn't one of them, ha ha.

Thanks for the tests all the same, Byser.

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This is what we all want, Brad.

I definitely would not have expected Gargole to be good for Attack anyway. It should do relatively well in Stamina and Defense though, so I look forward to your tests.

Alright, time for some Defense tests.

Standard Procedure and equipment same as in OP.

MSF-H Gargole Gargole BD145CS vs. MF-H Flash Escolpio W145R2F
Gargole Gargole: 12/20 (2 KO, 10 OS)
Flash Escolpio: 8/20 (8 KO)
2 Ties
Gargole Gargole Win%: 60%

MSF-H Dragooon Gargole BD145CS vs. MF-H Flash Escolpio W145R2F
Dragooon Gargole: 13/20 (2 KO, 11 OS)
Flash Escolpio: 7/20 (7 KO)
3 Ties
Dragooon Gargole Win%: 65%

It's not bad by any means for Defense, but right now I don't see any reason to use it over something like Revizer.

I've added these results to the OP.

Well can you do MSF gargoyle gryph TH170 RF also do you have phantom E230CS cause i would like to see that combo vs MSF gargoyle gryph thanks for the test

I do have the parts. But against E230, Gryph would probably be doing most of the work, not Gargole.

It is still much more in Revizer Revizer's "league" than other Defense combinations though ... Hm.

Do you think you can try gargole in stamina tests?

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No I don't plan on doing more yet.

I should probably go back to making fan custom Zero G beyblade concepts again

Do you think it has the potential of an anti-attack? What is its weight anyways?
If so would you mind testing MSF-H Gargole GargoleBD145 RF? Thou I don't really think it has the potential to smash attack, Well maybe BD145 will help in smashing? Plus the agressive tip might help in force smashing, together with BD145 to push.

Also would you mind testing MSF-H _______ Gargole BD145RDF? I know tests with CS have been made, But I think RDF would affect the performance and will get different results, Maybe even better results.

Well, Did I explain it well? Hehe

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Do you think it has the potential of an anti-attack? What is its weight anyways?
If so would you mind testing MSF-H Gargole GargoleBD145 RF? Thou I don't really think it has the potential to smash attack, Well maybe BD145 will help in smashing? Plus the agressive tip might help in force smashing, together with BD145 to push.

Also would you mind testing MSF-H _______ Gargole BD145RDF? I know tests with CS have been made, But I think RDF would affect the performance and will get different results, Maybe even better results.

Well, Did I explain it well? Hehe

*looks at gargole wheel*
*sees no major contact points*
*looks at gargole wheel side profile*
*sees barely any signifcant sloping of the wheel*

without major contact points and significant sloping, i don't see how gargole can even hope to smash or force smash. i don't mean to be rude but are you sure you understand the meaning of those terms? i ask this because you state that BD145 can help with smash, but BD145 is circular, meaning 0 contact points (unless you count the downward protrustions which wouldn't make any attacking contact anyway) and hence no smash attack. acute slopes would be needed to force smash (i.e. hit the wheel of the opponent's bey towards the stadium floor, see http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Force_Smash)

Do you think you can try gargole in stamina tests?

I could, but I don't think it would do well. Even in the informal testing I did MF-F Phantom Cancer W145WD was just barely wobbling once Gargole Gargole W145WD stopped spinning. Gargole just doesn't have the right shape or weight distribution to compete with stuff like Phantom or Duo for Stamina, even with a Crystal Wheel.

Do you think it has the potential of an anti-attack? What is its weight anyways?
If so would you mind testing MSF-H Gargole GargoleBD145 RF? Thou I don't really think it has the potential to smash attack, Well maybe BD145 will help in smashing? Plus the agressive tip might help in force smashing, together with BD145 to push.

Also would you mind testing MSF-H _______ Gargole BD145RDF? I know tests with CS have been made, But I think RDF would affect the performance and will get different results, Maybe even better results.

Well, Did I explain it well? Hehe

I think it might have use, but I haven't actually tried it so don't take my word for it. I'll do tests for both combos sometime later this week.

Like slyx mentioned though, BD145 doesn't give more smash attack, it just helps the combo push the opposition out more easily. Force Smash doesn't work in that situation because BD145 will block the protrusions.

What I meant is BD145 can help push the other bey to perform a KO, together with the weight of Gargole(which I actually have no idea) .My main idea was actually to push the other bey and not to outbalance it.I also mentioned anti-attack, which means its an attack type to beat an attack type and at least have a little potential to knock out Stamina types even not consistently, not an attack type to beat stamina types... That is why I wanted to know about its weight.

no major contact points
barely any signifcant sloping of the wheel

Does this mean it has less recoil, If so it should be pretty good in stamina and defense.

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Would gargoyle be a good one 2 buy?

Would gargoyle be a good one 2 buy?

Please use Purchase Consultation for these kinds of questions, rather than asking in Customizations Forum threads.

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Some manner of Octopus.

I'd like to see a test with Gargole Gargole E230RDF. It seems best with defense, and maybe we just need to find the right combo.

EDIT: Thanks Inguilt!

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I hate playing on Peaceful. Makes me feel like a wimp.

guys, it's just underwear relax

It is not any new information that Australian price setting is absolutely ridiculous and completely asinine, and that it has literally nothing to do with the exchange rate.

Back on topic, folks.

LOL

YES

I typed about four sentences but backspaced them all because I don't know what to say to your nonsense anymore. So:

Ugh.

Why do you keep picking on everyone?

Seems like I'm the one being picked on by Michael.

IT'S CUTE

It looks way cooler in person. Well, they both do.

Okay.

Just don't misspell my favourite word again

I did not misspell kengareoo.

Personally, when I hear "let it rip", I automatically think of flatulating.

Yes, the World Beyblade Organization allows real Beyblading

B2D160?

Is no gonna answer my question?

Just wondering, is the LED sight any good? Like, does it help at all? Because I have a hard time aiming...

Not really. Use it to blind your opponent, like Kei does.

im too lazy to post.

Everytime I read "Shabalabadoo", my brain processes it as "Scoobydoobeedoo".

This is a true fact btw.

lol I think everyone does. Th!nk has shortened his name to Scooby Snacks.

Shortened?

Hey guys, my beyblade recently broke and I'm having a hard time getting
over it. We won many battles and never gave up. But Midnight Striker would want
me to move on. My new Bey is Midnight Virgo. I am still using the fusion wheel, spin track and performance tip. Just the facebolt broke. If you wanna battle let me know. I love blading and hope you guys too!


R.I.P Midnight Striker

Does mybb allow a user's thread to be edited by someone else by their permission? It will be trouble, for example, we hosted a tournament, a lot of people joined, and their not online, they will miss a few registrations.

No.

You're a... cat?

Call it Steve.

That's ridiculous. Kai-V cannot be a robot, shes Canadian. Canadians ride polar bears, drink maple syrup and walk their pet beavers. Daegor42, Kei and Kai-V are all neighbors; they live in modest sized igloos.

Take out the word speculation and you get the value of that post.

Solution: Use any track but ED145, because ED145 is bad.

oh noes guyz i can type

Ryuga can eat my hearts out no me gusta Ryuga nada...

My friend's found a Flame Sagittario C145 S, with crayon all over it and a claw missing from C145.

must be Kenta's he like's crayons, and Poisen Serpent broke his claws...

You would put all of that on a placard ?

i quit beyblade screw this carp

Well it isn't going to be a small propulsion jet now is it

I have received my death

...

It's a plastic model. You really don't want me to answer that question. rofl

Hi Roan,

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Food tastes good.

Rapidity = stupidity

By the way, this is my first tournament so go easy on me.

no problem brahh

"You all want to see stealth battlers"?
Hm...

Basalt = Rock
Rock = Throw it, and it hits hard
Hammer = Throw it, and it hits hard
simple!

Everytime I read "Shabalabadoo", my brain processes it as "Scoobydoobeedoo".

This is a true fact btw.

lol I think everyone does. Th!nk has shortened his name to Scooby Snacks.

Shortened?

If I am not mistaken, it means that when one passes, each individual they pass goes "ahh".

Bey-Capult ClayAries85S vs MF-H DiabloBullGB145RDF on this see-saw stadium.

Dream come true...

I take terrible pictures of myself.
When I smile I look goofy.
When I just look at the camera, it looks like I'm about to rip your soul out.
It's a lose/lose situation.

@Shabalabadidityderpaloooooooooo
HOW
WHAT
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT PHOTO OF ME?!
NO ONE WAS EVER SUPPOSED TO SEE THAT...
>>
*runs away forever*

Clark Kent is a nerd.

I'm Batman.

Has Kai-V ever shown her face?

No, never. She tends to sleep in self-made holes. She relocates every week or so, hanging around wi-fi cafes with large hats and a mask. She lives off of tops of used ice-cream lids and rather obese street cats. Check National Geographic daily for her whereabouts.
What exactly do you mean though?

YEAHHHH BIG BANG

If you need a banner for your website, call me in.

We'll shine the batman symbol for you.

Dude, here in Australia normal starters are like 15$ and boosters for about 8$.

Australia is a fraud.

The same way we encorporate giant glowing animals coming out of our tops into real life.

Is Kei ever actually to be afraid of?

Oh yes. You should.
Be fortunate you don't live here, under that meek and gentle persona lies a horrible monster. Very horrible. I cannot even describe it, no human could. Imagine the fiery pits of Hell Kerbecs' special move, LDrago's menacing power and then that thing Haku (Inuyasha) turns into. Nothing can douse the anger and raw power which at one point, Kei's dwindling willpower will be forced to unleashed. I expect all of Canada to be engulfed in EMP when Kei's true form is finally released. That is the day the world cannot save itself. That day. The monster shall be awakened and mankind is most definitely doomed. No octopus or even a Kai-V would stop him.

Don't you ever talk about it again.










Ever.

So, the Japanese saw it too. It is 230WD. I have very good visual memory, I still remember Valentin's father's credit card number.

Yeah, guns really care if you can break a board with your pinky or whatever.

You do kung-fu at a real armed robber and you're the dead guy being pulled out of your house on the six o'clock news with the subtitle "Unfortunate Youth Does a Dumb Thing".

Torch Gil M145Q. I've never lost with it.

Personally, I prefer, "3-2-1 HEY DO YOU WANNA SEE MY NEW CHAINSAW AND HOCKEY MASK!!!!!"

RYUGA WITH A SHOTGUN

I NEVER EAT WITH UTENSILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!¡

You see, in the equation E=mc2, the main component is the E=some variant of C2, which is Lightspeed multiplied upon itself. This means that energy is equal to lightspeed. Also, you must take into account the M part, which is mass. Due to these two existing in the same equation to determine energy spent, you must assume the original Lightspeed to be infinity, due to the impossibility to reach it by c2. As a result, it forces E to equal infinity also if one were to reach lightspeed. Of course, it also means that Mass would be infinity also. This is impossible, as infinity is not a number, it is a concept. If infinite mass is reached outside of light and black holes, the matter's opposite, called anti-matter, would have no choice but to have negative mass, which would mean NEGATIVE INFINITY! This results in both ceasing to exist, as that would require a fixed position in time-space, which is impossible, due to the expansion of the Universe. This is part of the idea that all things are positioned in relative space to the observer, which is why my version of "A long way" is different than yours. Seeing as the observer would then be in a fixed position with light in this case, they would both cease to exist, leaving the anti-matter behind. This is impossible. Of course, this is a theory, so it's not proven 100% truth. Yet. Right now, it's accepted as truth by most scientific figures.

To be honest, you could take any Synchrom and put it on a rubber tip and have a good defense combo due to the sheer weight of a Synchrom alone.

If you're interested in a pure defense type, E230 is much better than TH170 in my opinion. TH170 hasn't been a competitive defense track for a long time now since LTACs are basically nonexistant (and E230 handles them better anyway).

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My Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  
• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F (collab with KainHighwind)
  

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• The Beginner's Guide to Advanced MFB Custom Construction
  
• RS vs. RDF vs. RB vs. CS vs. RSF : Rubber Tip Stamina Comparison
  
• A New, Experimental Ruleset -- Less Guessing, More Skill/Knowledge-Intensive
  

Due to my own carelessness, my BB-10 stadium is now unusable. I won't be able to do tests or requests for some time until I get another one so for for those whose requests I said I would do I'm sorry about this.

I haven't done any tests on this yet, but Gargole is a very good fit for Phoenic - and may allow the contact points of Phoenic to be used to their maximum advantage. Someone might want to give this a go...

Hmm, really? That's pretty great if it does. Would you mind posting photos or something to show us?

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How do I still have 15th most posts here...?

Byser-if you get a chance could you do defense comparison tests with Reviser Reviser, Gargoyle Reviser, and Reviser Gargoyle on BD145RDF (or CS if you don't have RDF). I have notice recently that Gargoyle soaks hit better than Reviser seems to. However,I think it still needs Reviser for the weight based on your tests with Gargoyle Gargoyle.

I am working on getting another Reviser soon so that I can do these tests as well, but it would still be nice to see your results too. That way we have more than one persons results.

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My combos (Click to View)

MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

If possible, someone test MSF-L Gargole Dragooon B:D...