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Sep. 06, 2011  4:49 AM
 
(Sep. 05, 2011  12:45 PM)Dan Wrote: Well if you're using a new RF it should be fine.

You are right of course. In fact, with any of the bottoms mentioned, it should be fine when launched properly. I was just worried that if it was listed, a player who's not proficient at launching attack will scrape occasionally, and wonder why 85 is on the list.

So yeah, if it's not a concern, 85 then perhaps should be listed too.

Also Kei has been wondering whether Sycthe is better than Basalt in term of stamina. I would say wholeheartedly, yes it is.

I have seen MF-H Sycthe 230 CS vs MF-H Basalt 230 CS used numerously on recent tournaments, and with a few exception (1 or 2 matches), Sycthe had a high win percentage.

In the recent Singapore tournament, MF-H Sycthe BD145 CS made appearances vs MF-H Basalt BD145 CS. During which, Sycthe also had considerably higher winning rate than Basalt.

I would say Sycthe does have better stamina than Basalt overall. But Basalt has the added advantage of being heavy (bonus for defense) and it can occasionally KO the opposing bey too. Sycthe on the other hand, has higher stamina, and the added bonus of having less recoil than Basalt (also a slight bonus for defense).

Sycthe is not definitely a better mw than Basalt overall, perhaps on the same level or slightly worse, but it does have greater stamina than Basalt, and also a stable mw to have in tournaments.
Sep. 06, 2011  8:51 AM
 
Yeah, just reinforcing that Scythe was pretty successful in Defense and Stamina departments in the recent Singapore tournament, despite a large number of Basalt customisations.
Sep. 11, 2011  9:34 PM
 
Is earth anywhere near as good as basalt for defense? Or even near as good as libra?
I don't think it is up to par with those two.

I personally am not a fan of GB145 for defense either. BD145 and TH170/230 are miles ahead.
Vulcan can even beat the GB145 defense combos.
Sep. 11, 2011  10:07 PM
 
I brought it up a while ago, and back then Kai-V was opposed to it and she had some argument for Earth to stay up so I'd like read them again (lost the PM so maybe if she is okay with it she could just write her thoughts again.)
But yeah GB145, Earth are of a different age and should honestly no longer be there anymore.
I feel Earth should have stayed up in stamina, especially longer than in defense, honestly.
VariAres not on the list is still really haunting guys.

Do you think it would be possible for advanced members to update the OP? I mean it is seriously impractical to wait for Kei to get online and add it when we have already come to a consensus. :V
Sep. 12, 2011  3:35 AM
 
I do not even remember having that conversation, hah. However, surely Earth is not suddenly that bad, no ? When tests were done to formalise the reintroduction of Libra in the game, surely it had to be somewhere close to Earth. This is based on what Shabalabadoo wrote that implied that Libra and Basalt (?) would remain, and that we are questioning Earth's presence.


But no, only moderators and administrators can edit others' posts, and I am not too certain I should make you all moderators of this section anyway, even if I do relatively trust you.
Sep. 12, 2011  1:30 PM
 
Earth still remains the number one Wheel in terms of how little it suffers from Recoil. I think it should stay. If anything, Libra is the Wheel which has been significantly superseded by Basalt since its only real draw was its weight.
Sep. 12, 2011  3:49 PM
 
I think it'd be good to have earth and libra tested against VariAres.

What I don't like about earth is how light it is. VariAres would destroy it, it destroys basalt. I'll play around with my earth this week though. I've never found earth too hard to beat with attack, but libra BD145 has always been better, for me at least. I should try earth BD145 more though.

BD145 on libra reduces a ton of it's recoil. The sides of it don't produce that much recoil, it's the top and bottom that do. It has a ton of recoil with GB145. And I think that 145 height attackers even struggle to hit the most recoil producing points of libra BD145.

About the libra retesting, iirc, didn't the tests use GB145? Well, what I would say would end up being my last two paragraphs.
Sep. 12, 2011  11:12 PM
 
Someone mentioned after Earth was removed that it probably should be added back, so I've added it back. The point ♥ made about the lack of recoil produced by Earth is a good one; especially in the game now, that is an extremely positive quality.

I've also added Metal Face VariAres CH120/R145 RF/R2F/LRF to Attack (BD145 is still good, but it doesn't seem have great synergy with Vari Ares and how it works. I'd be interested to hear any counter-arguments to this, if there are any) and MB to the Basalt Defense combo(s). Should MB be added for Libra and Earth?

Additionally, while this is mostly inconsequential now with 230 and TH170 running rampant; I've removed DF145 and 145 from the Stamina combos. AD145 is on par with both of them, and the slightly higher weight of AD145 along with the shape seems to provide no reason for the use of DF145 and 145.
Sep. 12, 2011  11:29 PM
 
I just noticed, is there any particular reason why there's 100 and not 85 on scythe?

It's not like that for any other beyblade in the stamina section.
Sep. 13, 2011  12:09 AM
 
(Sep. 12, 2011  11:29 PM)Shabalabadoo Wrote: I just noticed, is there any particular reason why there's 100 and not 85 on scythe?

It's not like that for any other beyblade in the stamina section.

Scythe scrapes more easily on 85 than it does with Basalt or Earth.
Sep. 13, 2011  12:39 AM
 
(Sep. 12, 2011  11:12 PM)Kei Wrote: Someone mentioned after Earth was removed that it probably should be added back, so I've added it back. The point ♥ made about the lack of recoil produced by Earth is a good one; especially in the game now, that is an extremely positive quality.
me. lol thanks, it really deserves to stay.

Quote:I've also added Metal Face VariAres CH120/R145 RF/R2F/LRF to Attack (BD145 is still good, but it doesn't seem have great synergy with Vari Ares and how it works.
Thank you for saying this!!! Dear lord I despise how people blindly put BD145 on anything without actually thinking about how the two work together. Seriously, you have no idea how happy I am that you see this as well!


As for Earth in defense, IIRC I did some tests and PM'd it to Kai-V going along the lines of Earth at 20%, Libra at 20% and Basalt at 40% (I forget the exact combination but it was definitely a Lightning LDrago.) I'm sure VariAres will just pummel them all though.
Sep. 18, 2011  6:36 PM
 
Wait.. Why isn't 85 on the defense list? It is well known that Low Track Defense Combinations are good. Hell, we already have a short-form for it. :V
Sep. 24, 2011  10:29 PM
 
k so I'll list all my problems/wanted updates to the list..

BD145 on Scythe,
85, again, on top-tier Defense
and putting Gravity BD145MF somewhere on the list.

Edit: Oh yeah, and H145 is completely ridiculous (awesome) on Lightning LDrago.
Oct. 05, 2011  7:36 PM
 
I think that the Tier List in the OP have a lot of components\combos that lose automatically against the real Top Tier.
Why you guys put all that components in the Tier list, when real results are different :\ ?
Oct. 05, 2011  9:21 PM
 
You want a raw skeleton of purely the best, which I would have originally agreed with when participating in this forum, but a variation of good combinations isn't bad. I'd think it would give more lee-way for customizations and not have like 3 competitive combinations and any other combination being considered 'average' or less which would basically narrow anyones thoughts about good, different combinations.
Get what I mean, lol?
or "wat is this i dont even"
Oct. 05, 2011  9:58 PM
 
(Oct. 05, 2011  7:36 PM)Galaxy Wrote: I think that the Tier List in the OP have a lot of components\combos that lose automatically against the real Top Tier.
Why you guys put all that components in the Tier list, when real results are different :\ ?

What would you consider the real top tier?
Oct. 06, 2011  12:02 PM
 
(Oct. 05, 2011  9:58 PM)Cye Kinomiya Wrote:
(Oct. 05, 2011  7:36 PM)Galaxy Wrote: I think that the Tier List in the OP have a lot of components\combos that lose automatically against the real Top Tier.
Why you guys put all that components in the Tier list, when real results are different :\ ?

What would you consider the real top tier?
Can
Metal Face Lightning L-Drago 90/100 RF/LRF/R2F
Metal Face Gravity Perseus 90/100/CH120/D125 RF/R2F/LRF
defeat :
Metal Face VariAres CH120/R145 RF/R2F/LRF
Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Basalt Bull/Kerbecs/Aquario 230/TH170/BD145 RS/CS
Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Libra 230/TH170/BD145 RS/CS
Basalt Bull 230/TH170 WD/SD/D/EDS
Scythe Kronos 230/TH170 WD/SD/D/EDS
Metal Face Hell Kerbecs BD145CS
?

Can
Metal Face Lightning L-Drago BD145 RF/LRF/R2F
defeat:
Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Basalt Bull/Kerbecs/Aquario BD145/GB145 RS/RSF/CS/MB
Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Libra BD145/GB145 RS/RSF/CS
Basalt Bull AD145/85 WD/SD/D/EDS
Scythe Kronos AD145/100 WD/SD/D/EDS
Hell Bull/Kerbecs BD145 (Boost Mode) WD/SD/D/EDS
Metal Face Hell Kerbecs BD145CS
?


Can
Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Earth Bull/Kerbecs/Aquario 230/TH170/BD145/GB145 RS/RSF/CS
defeat
Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Basalt Bull/Kerbecs/Aquario 230/TH170/BD145/GB145 RS/RSF/CS/MB
Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Libra 230/TH170/BD145/GB145 RS/RSF/CS
Basalt Bull 230/TH170/AD145/85 WD/SD/D/EDS
Scythe Kronos 230/TH170/AD145/100 WD/SD/D/EDS
Hell Bull/Kerbecs BD145 (Boost Mode) WD/SD/D/EDS
Metal Face Hell Kerbecs BD145CS
?

Basalt Bull 85 WD/SD/D/EDS ?

Earth? GB145?
Oct. 06, 2011  9:23 PM
 
.. MF Lightning LDrago BD145LRF can beat most of those combinations listed, yeah.. The only real downfall is BD145 vs. BD145 (and only having left-spin).
As for the other 2 combinations listed, that would need concrete tests.
Oct. 06, 2011  9:40 PM
 
I've listed 3 groups..
If you say this,it means that you're saying i'm right for the second group.
Also, if you think that in the firts group LLD 90\100 RF can defeat Basalt 230 xx,mmh...no xD
Idem for Gravity.
But please analyze each combo,because or you guys are in a different world from me,or there's something wrong in that list.
Oct. 06, 2011  9:49 PM
 
When I said 'the other two' I meant Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Earth Bull/Kerbecs/Aquario 230/TH170/BD145/GB145 RS/RSF/CS and Metal Face Gravity Perseus 90/100/CH120/D125 RF/R2F/LRF. I just clumped them together.

I don't think Lightning LDrago 90RF can defeat Basalt 230CS. I wrote MF Lightning LDrago BD145LRF can. That specific combination. I said nothing about 90RF.. and to be honest, Lightning on anything = or > 120 can defeat Basalt 230CS with ease.
Oct. 06, 2011  9:57 PM
 
(Oct. 06, 2011  9:49 PM)Dan Wrote: When I said 'the other two' I meant Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Earth Bull/Kerbecs/Aquario 230/TH170/BD145/GB145 RS/RSF/CS and Metal Face Gravity Perseus 90/100/CH120/D125 RF/R2F/LRF. I just clumped them together.

I don't think Lightning LDrago 90RF can defeat Basalt 230CS. I wrote MF Lightning LDrago BD145LRF can. That specific combination. I said nothing about 90RF.. and to be honest, Lightning on anything = or > 120 can defeat Basalt 230CS with ease.
And this is ok,but what about others?
Also,LLD with something over 120 can,ok..but also LDD can.
So the point i wanna put in evidence is: why you use LLD that is a Wheel that can only handle Basalt 230 for example,but nothing else (more or less) ?
For sure the size and the weight of LDD makes this Wheel better due to the fact that can do the same of LLD,but it has "new proprieties"!
I don't think that LLD can do something against Basalt BD145 or Fang or Vari,but for sure LDD yes,it has for sure more smash attack than LLD.
No one can say the contrary Eee Tongue_out
Also, if you don't think that LLD 90 can defeat Basalt 230 (and i hope as you,also others XD),why is in the Top tier List?
In this way,you guys,are advising others to lose automatically against a great number of combo in that list,that are REAL Top Tier..
Oct. 07, 2011  1:19 AM
 
I don't really agree with low track attackers to be on here anymore either.
You bring up a valid point with Lightning vs. Destroy, perhaps you could put up comparative tests of the two in the customizations forum? Would be good indicator.
Oct. 07, 2011  4:07 AM
 
(Oct. 06, 2011  9:57 PM)Galaxy Wrote:
(Oct. 06, 2011  9:49 PM)Dan Wrote: When I said 'the other two' I meant Metal Face/Metal Face-Heavy Earth Bull/Kerbecs/Aquario 230/TH170/BD145/GB145 RS/RSF/CS and Metal Face Gravity Perseus 90/100/CH120/D125 RF/R2F/LRF. I just clumped them together.

I don't think Lightning LDrago 90RF can defeat Basalt 230CS. I wrote MF Lightning LDrago BD145LRF can. That specific combination. I said nothing about 90RF.. and to be honest, Lightning on anything = or > 120 can defeat Basalt 230CS with ease.
And this is ok,but what about others?
Also,LLD with something over 120 can,ok..but also LDD can.
So the point i wanna put in evidence is: why you use LLD that is a Wheel that can only handle Basalt 230 for example,but nothing else (more or less) ?
For sure the size and the weight of LDD makes this Wheel better due to the fact that can do the same of LLD,but it has "new proprieties"!
I don't think that LLD can do something against Basalt BD145 or Fang or Vari,but for sure LDD yes,it has for sure more smash attack than LLD.
No one can say the contrary Eee Tongue_out
Also, if you don't think that LLD 90 can defeat Basalt 230 (and i hope as you,also others XD),why is in the Top tier List?
In this way,you guys,are advising others to lose automatically against a great number of combo in that list,that are REAL Top Tier..

Oh hey, I seem to recognize this...

Oh yeah, see, contrary to what i thought, my topic is important.

Hah, I knew I wasn't an idot.

I agree with what galaxy says in that quote by the way
Oct. 07, 2011  4:17 AM
 
Well it is really a question of how well a certain customization does against the rest of the tier list, which is what many people assume would be the defining component of something being top-tier or not. Some different views (Cye seems to have a contrary one?) would be cool. I do sort of agree with that definition, because if you look at any topic in the customization forum, it is all about a part and how it fares against current top-tier customizations.
.. :V
Oct. 07, 2011  8:25 AM
 
Nah, I just wanted him to elaborate on the tier list he'd like to see, to help put things into perspective for people who are reading this.
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