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CH120 Should Be Reinstated for Defense.

Apr. 23, 2011  5:12 PM
 
CH120 should be notified a LOT more for it's Defense properties. CH120 has a pretty heavy weight, and its height-changing ability can allow the Defense Bey to block the opponent. Here are tests:

CH120 on Basalt (Click to View)
CH120 on Libra (Click to View)


I will test CH120 on Libra and Earth, and soon I will test CH120 against Gravity Perseus.

CH120 seems to be really good with Defense. If you have any constructive critisicm, test results, or praise, please say!

Thank you, -Ink.
Apr. 23, 2011  5:15 PM
 
I posted the combo before less the metal face. Rationale being it would make the Basalt wheel be more off centre which actually rides on the edge of the CS...

Due to the nature of it, I wouldnt really classify it as defence. Its way more offensive in my opinion... (for the basalt combo that is..)
Apr. 23, 2011  5:15 PM
 
How is burn cancer 85 RF an anti-meta?
Apr. 23, 2011  5:17 PM
 
We knew that CH120 could be used for defense, it used to be on the tier list IIRC. So, what's new? I like using CH120 for defense, personally.
Apr. 23, 2011  5:18 PM
 
(Apr. 23, 2011  5:15 PM)ErasmusG Wrote: How is burn cancer 85 RF an anti-meta?

An anti-meta combo is a combo that uses wheels not good for attack to take down attack. I mainly did those combos for fun and extra results...
Apr. 23, 2011  5:18 PM
 
Well i just tried it, I really didn't get the same results as you?

Can you post like how they lost so i can see how you got those results (Just Incase).
And also Dark Cancer CH120SF has alot of attack than defence, But he did win to my Burn Fire Blits!
Apr. 23, 2011  5:20 PM
 
hmmm interesting results I shall compare my results with yours soon lets see how it does.... thankyou BTW
Apr. 23, 2011  5:22 PM
 
Can you post comparative results with known top-tier Defense Tracks ?
Apr. 23, 2011  5:23 PM
 
(Apr. 23, 2011  5:22 PM)Kai-V Wrote: Can you post comparative results with known top-tier Defense Tracks ?

My understanding is that you can't, Well it is a top-tier Defence Tracks.
Apr. 23, 2011  5:24 PM
 
(Apr. 23, 2011  5:23 PM)Sasukia Wrote: My understanding is that you can't, Well it is a top-tier Defence Tracks.

What are you saying ?
Apr. 23, 2011  5:29 PM
 
(Apr. 23, 2011  5:24 PM)Kai-V Wrote:
(Apr. 23, 2011  5:23 PM)Sasukia Wrote: My understanding is that you can't, Well it is a top-tier Defence Tracks.

What are you saying ?

I am trying to answer your question, "Can you compare results"
No they can not i just tried it.
Apr. 23, 2011  5:32 PM
 
(Apr. 23, 2011  5:17 PM)Dan Wrote: We knew that CH120 could be used for defense, it used to be on the tier list IIRC. So, what's new? I like using CH120 for defense, personally.

Oh, sorry. I didn't know that. (I'm a very recent member, I only joined December.)
(Apr. 23, 2011  5:22 PM)Kai-V Wrote: Can you post comparative results with known top-tier Defense Tracks ?

On it. I can only do GB145 right now though. If anyone can do 230 tests for me, it would be greatly appreciated.
Apr. 23, 2011  5:34 PM
 
(Apr. 23, 2011  5:18 PM)Ink. Wrote:
(Apr. 23, 2011  5:15 PM)ErasmusG Wrote: How is burn cancer 85 RF an anti-meta?

An anti-meta combo is a combo that uses wheels not good for attack to take down attack. I mainly did those combos for fun and extra results...

Burn has use in attack types though. Maybe not great use but still some ability.
Apr. 23, 2011  6:09 PM
 
For some reason, i think Basalt is doing all the work here. Maybe, you should do CH120 on Libra or Earth.
Apr. 23, 2011  6:15 PM
 
Nice, but see it is known that Basalt mostly is the Defense part here. GB145/230 to CH120 doesn't make the BIGGEST difference. But these results are good, just expected. I agree with Azlan. You should change to Earth seeing it would give a much better appeal to CH120, rather than to Earth. Since at the moment Basalt is Defense King.
Apr. 23, 2011  6:33 PM
 
Yeah, I stated in the OP that I would be doing extensive Earth/Libra on CH120 testing. I'll go ahead and start working on the GB145 testing.
Apr. 23, 2011  6:52 PM
 
Earth Kerbecs CH120CS:

MF Earth Kerbecs CH120CS vs. MF Gravity Perseus 100RF
MF Earth Kerbecs CH120CS win rate : 2/10
MF Gravity Perseus 100RF win rate: 8/10

MF Earth Kerbecs CH120CS vs. MF Lightning LDrago 100RF
MF Earth Kerbecs CH120CS win rate : 4/10
MF Lightning LDrago 100RF win rate: 6/10

Kryptonite to Lightning LDrago?

I am doing comparative tests.. I just put my first set up so here is some more:

MF Earth Kerbecs BD145CS vs. MF Gravity Perseus 100RF
MF Earth Kerbecs BD145CS win rate : 6/10
MF Gravity Perseus 100RF win rate: 4/10

MF Earth Kerbecs BD145CS vs. MF Lightning LDrago 100RF
MF Earth Kerbecs BD145CS win rate : 8/10
MF Lightning LDrago 100RF win rate: 2/10

Again, weird for LDrago. I will put up 230 tests soon.

MF Earth Kerbecs CH120CS vs. MF Lightning LDrago CH145RF
MF Earth Kerbecs CH120CS win rate : 5/10
MF Lightning LDrago CH145RF win rate: 5/10

MF Earth Kerbecs 230CS vs. MF Lightning LDrago CH145RF
MF Earth Kerbecs 230CS win rate : 3/10
MF Lightning LDrago CH145RF win rate: 7/10

More?
Apr. 23, 2011  6:55 PM
 
I keep insisting on posting comparative results ... How does MF Lightning L Drago 100RF do against MF Earth Kerbecs GB145/230 to you, for instance.
Apr. 23, 2011  7:17 PM
 
In case you wouldn't look back here until someone else posted, I'll do so now you can see all the tests I did in the previous post. (BD145 vs. CH120, 230 vs. CH120) I don't have GB145 unfortunately.
Apr. 23, 2011  7:24 PM
 
Can you just correct the second set of results, and perhaps the third too ? There are some mistakes, and I do not know if the fifth test was therefore really supposed to be with CH120CS.
Apr. 23, 2011  7:29 PM
 
The 5th test was indeed supposed to be CH120CS (vs. Lightning 145) compared to 230 vs. Lightning 145. I did another CH120CS test because of the height change and that 100 would lose badly to 230. The only mistake was me copy-pasting and not editing it fully/properly (BD145 tests). I do believe I fixed everything.
Apr. 23, 2011  8:52 PM
 
MFB Attack Stadium
Beylauncher
Light Launcher L (TT Winder)
3 Sg. Launcher Grip
Defense Bey Shot First
Attack Bey Shot With Sliding Shoot

MF-H Basalt Bull GB145CS VS MF Vulcan Horuseus 85RF
Basalt: 9 wins
Vulcan: 1 wins

MF-H Basalt Bull GB145CS VS MF Hell Kerbecs 85RF
Basalt: 8 wins
Hell: 2 wins

MF-H Basalt Bull GB145CS VS MF Lightning L Drago D125RF
Basalt: 9 wins
Lightning: 1 wins

MF-H Basalt Bull GB145CS VS MF Vulcan Horuseus T125RF
Basalt: 9 wins
Vulcan: 1 wins

MF-H Basalt Bull GB145CS VS MF Pegasis 145RF
Basalt: 9 wins
Pegasis: 1 wins

MF-H Basalt Bull GB145CS VS MF Lightning L Drago BD145RF
Basalt: 7 wins
Lightning: 3 wins

Just a little comparison of GB145 to CH120. I'll do Libra testing later today.
Apr. 23, 2011  9:37 PM
 
So, basically the same as GB145 ... However, CH120 was removed from the competitive combinations list for a reason. I wonder if it is just Earth which performs better with GB145, and Basalt does just as good with CH120 or GB145. If I have time, I will test that.

By the way, not all of those Attack types are top-tier.



(Apr. 23, 2011  8:52 PM)Ink. Wrote: MF-H Basalt Bull GB145CS VS MF Lightning L Drago BD145RF
Basalt: 7 wins
Lightning: 3 wins

Just a little comparison of GB145 to CH120. I'll do Libra testing later today.

Also, if this is true, then that ruins Bluezee's customization completely ... LRF will not bring it so many more victories.
Apr. 23, 2011  9:44 PM
 
(Apr. 23, 2011  9:37 PM)Kai-V Wrote: So, basically the same as GB145 ... However, CH120 was removed from the competitive combinations list for a reason. I wonder if it is just Earth which performs better with GB145, and Basalt does just as good with CH120 or GB145. If I have time, I will test that.

By the way, not all of those Attack types are top-tier.



(Apr. 23, 2011  8:52 PM)Ink. Wrote: MF-H Basalt Bull GB145CS VS MF Lightning L Drago BD145RF
Basalt: 7 wins
Lightning: 3 wins

Just a little comparison of GB145 to CH120. I'll do Libra testing later today.

Also, if this is true, then that ruins Bluezee's customization completely ... LRF will not bring it so many more victories.

How are you launching LLD BD145? Which beyblade is being launched first? This needs to be noted because Basalt BD145 is WAY better than the GB145 version and it gets obliterated. Using the Light Launcher L is very bad considering it is no good at all.
(Apr. 23, 2011  9:51 PM)Kai-V Wrote:
(Apr. 23, 2011  9:44 PM)Bluezee Wrote: How are you launching LLD BD145? Which beyblade is being launched first? This needs to be noted because Basalt BD145 is WAY better than the GB145 version and it gets obliterated. Using the Light Launcher L is very bad considering it is no good at all.

Ah, who between you and Ink. is using a Light Launcher L ? I looked at both topics and I could not really find this information. For certain the Beylauncher L is extremely better.

I use the BeyLauncher L. He is using Light Launcher L.
Apr. 23, 2011  10:42 PM
 
Bluezee i am thinking the same, also Ink are you getting a consistant flower pattern? and how worn is your RFs, and maybe CS?
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