Phantom is destroyed by basalt in tournaments , even if there is no defense combos attack won't be the type that is used the most , stamina is always going to be used most if we like it or not. Hopefully 4D's isn't the last but I have a feeling it is.

Yeah, how Plastics and HMS only had 3 seasons of their anime, MFB will likely have the same, and your right stamina is still going to be most used. Either if banned No Defence makes it hard for attack to stay viable, leaving stamina the best or with more parts accustomed to it.

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Yeah, how Plastics and HMS only had 3 seasons of their anime, MFB will likely have the same, and your right stamina is still going to be most used. Either if banned No Defence makes it hard for attack to stay viable, leaving stamina the best or with more parts accustomed to it.

There has always been at least one attack combo that was viable during every era of MFB. It is just the fact that people don't want to risk using attack in a tournament so they go for the easy way out with attack.

Yeah, how Plastics and HMS only had 3 seasons of their anime, MFB will likely have the same, and your right stamina is still going to be most used. Either if banned No Defence makes it hard for attack to stay viable, leaving stamina the best or with more parts accustomed to it.

There has always been at least one attack combo that was viable during every era of MFB. It is just the fact that people don't want to risk using attack in a tournament so they go for the easy way out with attack.

That's the problem. It becomes a waiting game, 3 minutes per round .. then you have those long 5 round matches. I've used attack (or an aggressive balance type) to win all my matches. Haven't lost one yet. For me, attack is the safe choice.

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Hero- Yes sir, we wish that there were more daredevils like you! Simply no one wants to take the risk of getting attack into the stadium. The main reason I guess, is that attack types are active for just a few seconds after the start of the battle. Thanks to MWs like VariAres and Blitz, the theory has changed a bit. Their ability to get a perfect KO at a low velocity is commendable.
IMO, there are certain periods during battle when the 3 different types are at their peak.
The beginning- Attack types are at their peak.
Intermediate period- Defense types are on their guard.
Ending- Stamina types.

As all the periods are interconnected, this is how it goes-
When it begins, even the strongest of Defense or Stamina beys can be kicked out by Attack.

In the Intermediate stage, most attack types lose all their spin velocity. Hence Defense types, who are naturally capable of beating attack, are at their peak. Stamina types during this phase, are almost equal to Defense types. Just that most are incapable of taking a strong attack, as most stamina tips have low friction. On the other hand, Defense types manage to- Defend, as well as retain quite a bit of their stamina. Owing to this added effect, I believe this period is when Defense is at its peak.

Towards the end, only Stamina types are capable of retaining a lot of stamina. The other two types are all gone by now...

This theory which I used to follow when I was new here, can be proved wrong by-
Use of VariAres and Blitz.
Use of Basalt for Stamina.
Use of spin stealing combos.
Anti-Meta combos.

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No offense hero but I wouldn't say Basalt TH170WF is a risk (I assume that is what you are talking about?) I have used several MF(Bottom) combos during tournaments and have pulled out an RF occasionally. Although IMO there is no safe option anymore as when a basalt combo battles there is always a risk as every match usually end in KO.

Janstarblast Spin Stealing is OK but against aggressive basalt combos they fail.

Yes, that's true Rusty.
Considering SpinSteal combos as a sub-section of Attack, I made the statement.
Spin Steal combos can probably pull out the whole match if used against the right beyblade. Yes, anti-meta combos not included. LOL! XD
Thus, Attack types could stand till the last phase.
OK, anything else you may think of, which may prove my theory wrong? I can only think of those 3 + anti-meta combos which you reminded me of.

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MF-H Basalt Kerbecs TH170WF is not comparable to the MF variant. It's far faster, you also forget that there is the scrape shot that depletes a crazy amount of stamina but also risks self KO. It is indeed a risky combo if you are also experimenting with it. I was once at 2-0 with it, I thought I was gonna lose but changed height and adapted my launch. I won that match 3-2.

Janstarblast: Great post there buddy. I agree with the points you've made and cannot find anything to disagree with. I certainly hate waiting so I use attack types to finish the match as soon as possible.

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Haha I have used XF before and I was going to carp myself of nervousness. So yeah I guess I shouldn't say that unless I own it but it still don't think it is as risky as RF/R2F combos. Don't get my wrong though it would be pretty scary , even though every battle is scary.

Nope nothing else Janstarblast

Is anyone else finding that the meta game is more balance now although if basalt weren't here it would be near perfect as we would need something better then Libra for defense.

That's the problem. It becomes a waiting game, 3 minutes per round .. then you have those long 5 round matches. I've used attack (or an aggressive balance type) to win all my matches. Haven't lost one yet. For me, attack is the safe choice.

Exactly!
People are psychologically scared to use Attack when wheels like Basalt are used because of how it dominated the metagame once.
Like you, I myself have won 2 tournaments defeating Basalt Combos with Attack Types and I feel they are a safe choice (if you know how to use them, that is).

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Rusty: Without Basalt tournaments would get destroyed by VariAres and Blitz. Do you suggest we ban those too?

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No , because I doubt they will be used as much , I mean how many basalt defense combos do you see around tournaments anyway now'days and even if they are there they will still get beat by VariAres the on;y problem I have with basalt is it dominating stamina as well.

Seriously. Everything is interconnected, and hence if we ban something, there is always going to be another huge threat.
Hence, we can't really ban anything easily. A wise decision needs to be taken.
Better not get Ban Basalt issue here...

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Great post Jan !

Really good point there it just frustrates me that stamina cannot be used against basalt due to KO so it screws up the whole meta , but who cares anyway I am going for attack all the way next tournament

Sorry to get off the Basalt conversation here, but after looking at it, the Hasbro RS is a little harder than its TT and Sonolong counterpart.

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I think SOME people (NOT ALL) use basalt combos because they are desprite to win despite it being top tier. I on the other hand, rely on earth for a little Stamina in a defence custom, and a cs for the same reason. I also wip out a Lightning RF combo to stir things up. The metagame in percentige of parts for each type:

Defense: 10%-40% variaty of dfnse parts to choose from.
Stamina: 10%-25% are the veriaty of parts for stamina too choose from.
Attack: 10%-33% are the variaty attack parts too choose from.

Defense has a the upper hand of a variaty than either of the 2. Stamina in a close second, and attack is fine in my perspective.

This is all from the top of my head

I'm really not sure why the Basalt thing keeps being re-discussed here as if it's a new issue - you guys are just repeating(in some cases, nearly word-for-word) the exact same thing that has been said a dozen times before. There was a thread here for it, it was killed. The Advanced Forum thread, however, still contains all of the things you guys have said, along with more reading and more valuable information and, while you cannot post in it, you can essentially read everything that you would be likely to say about it(and see others say about it), instead of just filling up other topics with the exact same arguments we've seen from both sides repeatedly.

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I'm really not sure why the Basalt thing keeps being re-discussed here as if it's a new issue - you guys are just repeating(in some cases, nearly word-for-word) the exact same thing that has been said a dozen times before. There was a thread here for it, it was killed. The Advanced Forum thread, however, still contains all of the things you guys have said, along with more reading and more valuable information and, while you cannot post in it, you can essentially read everything that you would be likely to say about it(and see others say about it), instead of just filling up other topics with the exact same arguments we've seen from both sides repeatedly.

For me, it's my one way of putting out my opinions on the issue, other than texting my friend. I guess the other people who have posted here who aren't Advanced Members are using this thread as an output of their opinions as well. I can agree with you; all of the points mentioned have already been brought up in the Advanced Forum, and should probably stay there. :\

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I do understand the value of each person getting their opinion out there, of course - but, with the exact extent to which this has been discussed and re-discussed by so many members with such similar opinions(from each side of the argument), it's just nearing the point of SPAM, in my opinion.

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I do understand the value of each person getting their opinion out there, of course - but, with the exact extent to which this has been discussed and re-discussed by so many members with such similar opinions(from each side of the argument), it's just nearing the point of SPAM, in my opinion.

I agree Hazel it is not Spam Bots but spam in general that is now a problem in this thread Your an Advance member for a reason.

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Yes, that's true Rusty.
Considering SpinSteal combos as a sub-section of Attack, I made the statement.
Spin Steal combos can probably pull out the whole match if used against the right beyblade. Yes, anti-meta combos not included. LOL! XD
Thus, Attack types could stand till the last phase.
OK, anything else you may think of, which may prove my theory wrong? I can only think of those 3 + anti-meta combos which you reminded me of.

Huh? I always thought Spin-Stealers/Equalizers were a sub-section of Defence because using rubber/circumfrance of the metal wheel they defend. Unless your talking about spin-stealing attackers eg. MF- MLD CH120XF, that's different.

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Yes, that's true Rusty.
Considering SpinSteal combos as a sub-section of Attack, I made the statement.
Spin Steal combos can probably pull out the whole match if used against the right beyblade. Yes, anti-meta combos not included. LOL! XD
Thus, Attack types could stand till the last phase.
OK, anything else you may think of, which may prove my theory wrong? I can only think of those 3 + anti-meta combos which you reminded me of.

Huh? I always thought Spin-Stealers/Equalizers were a sub-section of Defence because using rubber/circumfrance of the metal wheel they defend. Unless your talking about spin-stealing attackers eg. MF- MLD CH120XF, that's different.

The point of Equalization is to reduce the opponent's spin, causing an OS.

That would fall under the technical category of Stamina/Balance.

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Hazel- Really?! I thought because most spin stealing wheels were attack wheels; they be counted as a sub-section of attackers. Hence, I thought Spin Steal is an added effect of left spin attackers. Thanks for clearing it, Hazel.

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