There is obviously an issue here, one we should try to find a compromise for, but I cannot think of many options when people expect to get something worth over eight dollars when they only pay five dollars ... That is not how life works at all, anywhere in this world, hah.
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(Sep. 05, 2012 3:17 PM)pranzdiv123 Wrote:(Sep. 05, 2012 3:14 PM)dragonPhang101 Wrote: Kai-V in india $1 is enough to buy a large pack of potato chips and a 500ml coke and $5 are more than the half price of beys here , so parents expect beys in return
dude she is talking about takara tomy beys and not hasbro(funskool).
i know that but you might also know that bladers dont using wbo think hasbro the best
(Sep. 05, 2012 4:01 PM)dragonPhang101 Wrote:(Sep. 05, 2012 3:17 PM)pranzdiv123 Wrote:(Sep. 05, 2012 3:14 PM)dragonPhang101 Wrote: Kai-V in india $1 is enough to buy a large pack of potato chips and a 500ml coke and $5 are more than the half price of beys here , so parents expect beys in return
dude she is talking about takara tomy beys and not hasbro(funskool).
i know that but you might also know that bladers dont using wbo think hasbro the best
yup but thats only some of the cases majorly they dont know what are originals and what are fakes they prefer fakes because it is cheaper.
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yes i agree in that with you , they are really big fools just being greedy and not enjoying thegame
First of 5$ and 10$ are almost around 300 and 600 Rs.....and people here dont consider beyblade as sport...its just a small kids toy...after an age of 10-12 everyone around u keeps telling u to leave playing with these toys...in such a mentality if u are asking for 300Rs just to participate in a tournament then parents dont consider it worth paying
the mentality of most indians dont consider games other than cricket enjoyable:-(
Actually, they dont really expect a beyblade in return, they expect some prize for the amount they pay. As nik and others said, $5 is enough to get a day's meal here(an average diet).
When 8 people pay $5, the amount sums up to the cost of 6 Hasbro beyblades(The double-packs are $12). So, out of every 4, 3 can get a prize and still the host is left with $4 to spend for himself. But, they dont know that this amount is to be paid by the host to the organization.
Secondly, most people dont believe on the concept of non-profit organization. For them, non-profit translates as 'giving us prizes equal to the entry we pay'. Which is not the case. Again, parents almost never believe such things unless they are open-minded.
Thirdly, as nik said, one has to follow the herd in India no matter what. After a certain age, most parents force their child to drop anything like Beyblade, Pokemon, etc. The ones who are spared/find a way out have to satisfy themselves by playing with siblings secretly.
And again, $5 gets us many other thing is India so, most parents think 5 times over and usually come up with an offer better than a Beyblade Tournament.
So, all the troubles arise from the magnitude of the entry fee in INR. As I might have said before, it is equivalent to(not equal to) what $25 are for a US citizen. We face the same problem as an American would face when he asks others to pay $25 for a Beyblade Tournament's entry fee.
And just to remind the others, the people are not 'greedy' or anything, they just do not have the mindset to pay any amount(unless it is negligible) for anything which does not reimburse them with almost same amount.
When 8 people pay $5, the amount sums up to the cost of 6 Hasbro beyblades(The double-packs are $12). So, out of every 4, 3 can get a prize and still the host is left with $4 to spend for himself. But, they dont know that this amount is to be paid by the host to the organization.
Secondly, most people dont believe on the concept of non-profit organization. For them, non-profit translates as 'giving us prizes equal to the entry we pay'. Which is not the case. Again, parents almost never believe such things unless they are open-minded.
Thirdly, as nik said, one has to follow the herd in India no matter what. After a certain age, most parents force their child to drop anything like Beyblade, Pokemon, etc. The ones who are spared/find a way out have to satisfy themselves by playing with siblings secretly.
And again, $5 gets us many other thing is India so, most parents think 5 times over and usually come up with an offer better than a Beyblade Tournament.
So, all the troubles arise from the magnitude of the entry fee in INR. As I might have said before, it is equivalent to(not equal to) what $25 are for a US citizen. We face the same problem as an American would face when he asks others to pay $25 for a Beyblade Tournament's entry fee.
And just to remind the others, the people are not 'greedy' or anything, they just do not have the mindset to pay any amount(unless it is negligible) for anything which does not reimburse them with almost same amount.
(Sep. 05, 2012 3:14 PM)dragonPhang101 Wrote: Kai-V in india $1 is enough to buy a large pack of potato chips and a 500ml coke and $5 are more than the half price of beys here , so parents expect beys in return$5 come on.
I bought a Hades Kerbeks of Hasbro in Rs 349 that says only $6.27 in India
Ah, its pretty interesting to see that this thread is active again; and that too, for addressing an extremely important issue.
While these issues dogged most of our efforts (in the past) to have a tournament even in the most active areas (Mumbai, Hyderabad, Bangalore) of today, we completely forgot about the Rest of India, where people still do not get tournaments organized.
While I truly agree to whatever has been discussed till now, I also believe that this issue cannot be resolved THAT easily.
Changing the people's mindset about a Beyblade tournament fee is too much of a chore. Certain Indian bladers are too naive when it comes to such matters. When we tell them about the WBO, they expect something BIG.
First off, its hard to get them to this site. Due to this, there are various misconceptions about the World Beyblade Organization (I mention the full name here, as that holds relevance to the topic), which assumes a standard equivalent to that of a Multinational Company; thanks to its rather "professional-sounding" name.
The features of the WBO (such as being ranked internationally, offering a yearly membership in the form of a Passport, etc) make people overlook the words "non-profit". People expect something happening on an extremely large-scale; especially because its something to do about being "ranked internationally".
If people actually cared enough to read through the pages of this site, is when they'd actually understand as to what is happening.
What's more, the "abnormally high" entry fee for something as small as a platform to play a game of spinning tops isn't too appealing. This is rather contradictory, I agree. First I say that parents are overwhelmed to hear that their child is playing on an "international level"; and then I say that parents find it "too small a thing" to spend $5 for...
This erratic mindset again, is what causes problems for us when we try to convince people.
If we overdo it, then people expect too much. If we fall short, they find it a waste of money.
As N0body said, parents often tend to offer other tempting options to divert the child's mind from the tourney. Something that is more "constructive". Heck, they are actually ready to spend $2 more, and buy a Hasbro bey itself.
While the system of allowing First Time-Organizers around the world to host tournaments for free on BeyDays might be a GREAT help to get members, it usually raises the expectations of members a notch. After that, it becomes extremely difficult to make people pay for future tournaments.
Fortunately, that hasn't happened in Mumbai, Pune(OK, forget Pune! N0body has always mentioned that he has problems organizing tourneys here if they aren't for free), Bangalore, or Hyderabad.
But well, being a joint thread for the whole of India, we can't be satisfied with just this. We'd need to help members in other regions to host tourneys too!
While these issues dogged most of our efforts (in the past) to have a tournament even in the most active areas (Mumbai, Hyderabad, Bangalore) of today, we completely forgot about the Rest of India, where people still do not get tournaments organized.
While I truly agree to whatever has been discussed till now, I also believe that this issue cannot be resolved THAT easily.
Changing the people's mindset about a Beyblade tournament fee is too much of a chore. Certain Indian bladers are too naive when it comes to such matters. When we tell them about the WBO, they expect something BIG.
First off, its hard to get them to this site. Due to this, there are various misconceptions about the World Beyblade Organization (I mention the full name here, as that holds relevance to the topic), which assumes a standard equivalent to that of a Multinational Company; thanks to its rather "professional-sounding" name.
The features of the WBO (such as being ranked internationally, offering a yearly membership in the form of a Passport, etc) make people overlook the words "non-profit". People expect something happening on an extremely large-scale; especially because its something to do about being "ranked internationally".
If people actually cared enough to read through the pages of this site, is when they'd actually understand as to what is happening.
What's more, the "abnormally high" entry fee for something as small as a platform to play a game of spinning tops isn't too appealing. This is rather contradictory, I agree. First I say that parents are overwhelmed to hear that their child is playing on an "international level"; and then I say that parents find it "too small a thing" to spend $5 for...
This erratic mindset again, is what causes problems for us when we try to convince people.
If we overdo it, then people expect too much. If we fall short, they find it a waste of money.
As N0body said, parents often tend to offer other tempting options to divert the child's mind from the tourney. Something that is more "constructive". Heck, they are actually ready to spend $2 more, and buy a Hasbro bey itself.
While the system of allowing First Time-Organizers around the world to host tournaments for free on BeyDays might be a GREAT help to get members, it usually raises the expectations of members a notch. After that, it becomes extremely difficult to make people pay for future tournaments.
Fortunately, that hasn't happened in Mumbai, Pune(OK, forget Pune! N0body has always mentioned that he has problems organizing tourneys here if they aren't for free), Bangalore, or Hyderabad.
But well, being a joint thread for the whole of India, we can't be satisfied with just this. We'd need to help members in other regions to host tourneys too!
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(Sep. 06, 2012 5:52 PM)Janstarblast Wrote: Ah, its pretty interesting to see that this thread is active again; and that too, for addressing an extremely important issue.Yes,If the fees was'nt there then by now India would have hosted thousand and thousands of Tournaments.The parents also feel that why to waste money on these silly stuff,that too not on a official Tournament.And yeah,we should help other members in other regions to host Tournaments,especially in Delhi and Chennai because I've seen them a lot and they have'nt got a Tournament as of now.Finnaly,I feel that the World Beyblade Organization is not doing a good job they are doing a Great job as the mods are working really hard.So,I guess that this Organization should be a Profitible Organization.But MOST people in Indian still feel that Beyblade is a childs game.
While these issues dogged most of our efforts (in the past) to have a tournament even in the most active areas (Mumbai, Hyderabad, Bangalore) of today, we completely forgot about the Rest of India, where people still do not get tournaments organized.
While I truly agree to whatever has been discussed till now, I also believe that this issue cannot be resolved THAT easily.
Changing the people's mindset about a Beyblade tournament fee is too much of a chore. Certain Indian bladers are too naive when it comes to such matters. When we tell them about the WBO, they expect something BIG.
First off, its hard to get them to this site. Due to this, there are various misconceptions about the World Beyblade Organization (I mention the full name here, as that holds relevance to the topic), which assumes a standard equivalent to that of a Multinational Company; thanks to its rather "professional-sounding" name.
The features of the WBO (such as being ranked internationally, offering a yearly membership in the form of a Passport, etc) make people overlook the words "non-profit". People expect something happening on an extremely large-scale; especially because its something to do about being "ranked internationally".
If people actually cared enough to read through the pages of this site, is when they'd actually understand as to what is happening.
What's more, the "abnormally high" entry fee for something as small as a platform to play a game of spinning tops isn't too appealing. This is rather contradictory, I agree. First I say that parents are overwhelmed to hear that their child is playing on an "international level"; and then I say that parents find it "too small a thing" to spend $5 for...
This erratic mindset again, is what causes problems for us when we try to convince people.
If we overdo it, then people expect too much. If we fall short, they find it a waste of money.
As N0body said, parents often tend to offer other tempting options to divert the child's mind from the tourney. Something that is more "constructive". Heck, they are actually ready to spend $2 more, and buy a Hasbro bey itself.
While the system of allowing First Time-Organizers around the world to host tournaments for free on BeyDays might be a GREAT help to get members, it usually raises the expectations of members a notch. After that, it becomes extremely difficult to make people pay for future tournaments.
Fortunately, that hasn't happened in Mumbai, Pune(OK, forget Pune! N0body has always mentioned that he has problems organizing tourneys here if they aren't for free), Bangalore, or Hyderabad.
But well, being a joint thread for the whole of India, we can't be satisfied with just this. We'd need to help members in other regions to host tourneys too!
From what I can say a Great dissapointment in India for the Fees.Unfortunately,Parents dont really like there children play Beyblade.
@SBR, Try not to quote big messages.
And, yes, even if the fee was zero, there wont be a change. As I mentioned earlier most people are unwilling to take the initiative and those that are ready, do not get enough support to be able to have an event.
And, yes, even if the fee was zero, there wont be a change. As I mentioned earlier most people are unwilling to take the initiative and those that are ready, do not get enough support to be able to have an event.
5$ is not a big amount, not when people spend much more on other games; like to watch a cricket match in a stadium, for some hours and get nothing. 10$ for a whole year is awesome...., as we get so many things. Its not a waste at all.
(Sep. 07, 2012 3:56 AM)ashton pinto Wrote: 5$ is not a big amount, not when people spend much more on other games; like to watch a cricket match in a stadium, for some hours and get nothing. 10$ for a whole year is awesome...., as we get so many things. Its not a waste at all.
Yup thats Indian mentality we really need to try and change it.
Sorry to say, but nothing can change that mentality. All we can do is, be limited to the small number and enjoy the reservations of minorities XD. In short, its better to leace the situation as it is.
(Sep. 08, 2012 4:51 PM)N0body Wrote: Sorry to say, but nothing can change that mentality. All we can do is, be limited to the small number and enjoy the reservations of minorities XD. In short, its better to leace the situation as it is.
Agreed!
That is exactly what we must do, really.
The mentality here is quite weird, and we can actually do nothing to change it.
Thankfully, we do have many members who realize the true meaning of WBO tourneys. So yeah, lets be happy with what we have, seriously.
Then again, I wonder what the people from other cities would be thinking after reading this... :\
@raahul- I seriously don't get it. Why would you want WBO to be a profitable organization?! I think that as it would be deviating from topic, PM me your reply.
Just to clarify : some of you talk about parents prefering to spend on official tournaments, but there are no official events in India, no ?
Well yes there are no WBBA official events in India only WBO events.
And have there ever been any ? I remember, I think, that no Indian representative went to the world championships, so surely there was not even a national qualifier ...
Nope most of the Indian bladers dont know what the WBBA is they just know that it is in the cartoon and think that it cannot be real.
So all the parents who think that it is better to spend on official tournaments just wish not to spend anything, because there are no official tournaments ... You would think that, after a while of seeing no other way, they would adhere to our events at least, because that is all their kids have.
(Sep. 12, 2012 3:54 PM)Kai-V Wrote: So all the parents who think that it is better to spend on official tournaments just wish not to spend anything, because there are no official tournaments ... You would think that, after a while of seeing no other way, they would adhere to our events at least, because that is all their kids have.
Well actually they dont allow that to well only open minded parents do ( i am not critisizing anyone) they either tell their child to leave their madness of beyblade and concentrate on studies or make him play with his friends and siblings for free.
EDIT HERE ARE SOME OF MY EXPERIENCES:
1) Well it is when i first got into beyblading in the mfb i was really crazy about it i ended up using up all of the money i had to organize a tournament in my society where there are still 20+ bladers.What happened was that i did not know back then about fakes and originals so i used fakes and kept fakes as prizes for the tournament i had put up posters the one you get on beyblade.com and wrote the venue and prizes of the tourney with the entery fees after the tourney when i asked for the fees which was Rs.50 all of them refused i complained about it to my and their parents but no one listened to me. They still buy fakes and i enjoy breaking them as my sweet revenge with my sythe kronos.
I dont understand all of the bladers in my society waste thousands of Rs. but cant a buy an original which is Rs.350.
2) I have also noticed that people are willing to pay Rs.560 approx for the passport but as soon as you tell them that it is 10$ they start saying that this very costly 10 dollars i dont have much money but if you tell only the amount in Rs. they have enough so i think it is kind of a phobea of dollars well i dont know much about it because i have never faced it myself because i dont use Rs. i use DHS.
3) Well from grade 7 onwards you are able to create your own clubs in school (i am in grade 8) i and two of my best friend formed a beyblade club in my school around 10 bladers joined well my sister was in them it is not counting me and the 2 of my friends so well i explained them about the wbo showed them the wbo prmo card but they now say that they will join the wbo only if they get the promo cards.
So we can get more bladers but we need more promo cards i think there will be no problem in their shipping because nik1392 and ashton pinto have received their beylotto beys so we need maybe arround 50 because i my self need 20-30 cards.
Well why dont the other bladers in mumbai or in anyplace of India type the amount of cards they need so the wbo can send it in total.
(Sep. 12, 2012 3:22 PM)Kai-V Wrote: Just to clarify : some of you talk about parents prefering to spend on official tournaments, but there are no official events in India, no ?
i have heard of many funskool (its the company that sells beyblade through hasbro) tournaments all over india,, even in the early 2004, lately i found this site http://funskoolindia.com/ . its not of more use,..
(Sep. 12, 2012 4:26 PM)ashton pinto Wrote:(Sep. 12, 2012 3:22 PM)Kai-V Wrote: Just to clarify : some of you talk about parents prefering to spend on official tournaments, but there are no official events in India, no ?
i have heard of many funskool (its the company that sells beyblade through hasbro) tournaments all over india,, even in the early 2004, lately i found this site http://funskoolindia.com/ . its not of more use,..
just sent them a mail requesting to start hosting tournaments from here might help if you send to-
http://funskoolindia.com/customer-service.php
From what I experienced, the kids themselves are unwilling to spend that amount for an event.
The problem is, if we tell about the fees to anyone younger than 12, the parents think we are trying to trick and loot them. And, if the same is done for anyone older than 12(and less than 18), the person thinks we are fooling him and says that his parents said 'NO' without even asking the parents.
After all, parents always have the weapon called 'grades' for their aid. They always come up with this: 'Your grades are very less, look at (some classmate who does better), he scores an A, and you, you are stuck on C. You better concentrate on studies instead of all this beyblade nonsense'.
Or else, for the ones who are academically better than average: 'Your grades started dropping the day you started with all this beyblade stuff. Get back to studying otherwise I'll discard all your toys.'
I dont think anyone can dare to ask about participating in a tournament after asking this XD.
Heck, after every event, irrespective of my grades, I'm always threatened like that XD.
EDIT: Funskool does still hold tournaments. But, I haven't been able to attend one so far. There was one in Pune 4-5 months ago..
The problem is, if we tell about the fees to anyone younger than 12, the parents think we are trying to trick and loot them. And, if the same is done for anyone older than 12(and less than 18), the person thinks we are fooling him and says that his parents said 'NO' without even asking the parents.
After all, parents always have the weapon called 'grades' for their aid. They always come up with this: 'Your grades are very less, look at (some classmate who does better), he scores an A, and you, you are stuck on C. You better concentrate on studies instead of all this beyblade nonsense'.
Or else, for the ones who are academically better than average: 'Your grades started dropping the day you started with all this beyblade stuff. Get back to studying otherwise I'll discard all your toys.'
I dont think anyone can dare to ask about participating in a tournament after asking this XD.
Heck, after every event, irrespective of my grades, I'm always threatened like that XD.
EDIT: Funskool does still hold tournaments. But, I haven't been able to attend one so far. There was one in Pune 4-5 months ago..
Well my mom and dad try to use that weapon but it never works on me cause im the highest in my class.
EDIT: I still sent them the mail cause i have never even heard one in Mumbai.
EDIT: I still sent them the mail cause i have never even heard one in Mumbai.