[BSC] Ogre O4 Discussion

I'm posting this like a month before I should, but oh well lol

I finally got around to testing Ogre O4 as well, since it looks a bit like Valkyrie and V2 I figured I should test it on Attack setups. Its slopes aren't quite strong enough to consistently handle all of the recoil it has, so you need to find a Disk/Driver that makes it fit tightly in order to overcompensate for this.

Ogre O4 Knuckle Xtreme vs Wyvern Heavy Revolve
O4.K.X: 13 wins (8 KO, 5 burst)
W.H.R: 7 wins (6 OS, 1 burst)
3 ties redone
O4.K.X win rate: 65%

Ogre O4 Knuckle Xtreme vs Dark Deathscyther Gravity Orbit
O4.K.X: 12 wins (8 KO, 4 burst)
D2.G.O: 8 wins (5 OS, 1 KO, 2 burst)
O4.K.X winrate: 60%

Ogre O4 Knuckle Xtreme vs Roktavor Heavy Cycle
O4.K.X: 9 wins (3 KO, 5 burst)
R.H.Cy: 11 wins (4 OS, 2 KO, 5 burst)
7 ties redone
O4.K.X win rate: 45%

Ogre O4 Knuckle Xtreme vs Evipero Gravity Unite
O4.K.X: 7 wins (3 KO, 4 burst)
E.G.U: 13 wins (4 OS, 2 KO, 7 burst)
2 ties redone
O4.K.X winrate: 35%

Ogre O4 Quarter Cycle vs Wyvern Heavy Revolve
O4.Q.Cy: 14 wins (3 KO, 11 burst)
W.H.R: 6 wins (5 OS, 1 burst)
4 ties redone
O4.Q.Cy win rate: 70%

Ogre O4 Quarter Cycle vs Yegdrion Y2 Gravity Orbit
O4.Q.Cy: 6 wins (2 KO, 4 burst)
Y2.G.O: 14 wins (9 OS, 2 KO, 3 burst)
1 tie redone
O4.Q.Cy win rate: 30%

Even with tight Disk/Driver combos, Ogre still tended to be a bit of a glass cannon - it hits really hard on Xtreme and is quite capable of delivering ogre finishes but if it doesn't end the fight in the first couple hits it's likely to self burst (or at best, double burst with the opponent). It's pretty powerful against anything that can't really hit back (it performed better against E.G.U than any other KO Attacker that I tried, including V2.K.X'), but as you can see by the battle against Roktavor even stationary Attackers can use its recoil against it. Check out the video here -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ct9PVeiOzg
I think you mean ogrecompensate, but seriously, nice testing. Mine self bursted a lot more than yours did. I feel like it would be fine for Classic, as even though it seems to be better than V2 and/or V, but I think this is very well balanced out by the fact it self bursts a lot, so it's kinda like a higher risk, for a higher reward.
Is it good with destroy-s?
(Jul. 14, 2019  5:09 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Is it good with destroy-s?
Idk if wombat has it, but if you have a specific combo in mind, I may be able to test it for you
(Jul. 14, 2019  6:18 AM)bladekid Wrote: Idk if wombat has it, but if you have a specific combo in mind, I may be able to test it for you
Thanks fam. I was thinking of a combo like O4.down.destroy-s.
Edit Reason: Typo -->
(Jul. 14, 2019  6:45 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote:
(Jul. 14, 2019  6:18 AM)bladekid Wrote: Idk if wombat has it, but if you have a specific combo in mind, I may be able to test it for you
Thanks fam. I was thinking of a combo like O4.down.destroy-s.
Ok, I'll try it out when I get a chance

(Jul. 14, 2019  6:45 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote:
(Jul. 14, 2019  6:18 AM)bladekid Wrote: Idk if wombat has it, but if you have a specific combo in mind, I may be able to test it for you
Thanks fam. I was thinking of a combo like O4.down.destroy-s.
Here are the tests m8:

Test 1:
O4.D.Ds-S VS G2.G.O (G2 launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 35% (OS: 1, KO: 6, BST: 0)
G2 Win rate: 65% (OS: 7, KO: 0, BST: 6)
Ties: 5 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 5)

Test 2:
O4.D.Ds-S VS O2(H).G.U (O2 launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 15% (OS: 1, KO: 1, BST: 1)
O2 Win rate: 85% (OS: 3, KO: 4, BST: 10)
Ties: 4 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 4)

Test 3:
O4.D.Ds-S VS U.G.O (U launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 5% (OS: 0, KO: 1, BST: 0)
U Win rate: 95% (OS: 12, KO: 0, BST: 7)
Ties: 1 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 1)

Test 4:
O4.D.Ds-S VS Y2.G.O (Y2 launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 40% (OS: 0, KO: 1, BST: 7)
Y2 Win rate: 60% (OS: 11, KO: 1, BST: 0)
Ties: 3 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 3)
(Jul. 14, 2019  5:46 PM)bladekid Wrote:
(Jul. 14, 2019  6:45 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Thanks fam. I was thinking of a combo like O4.down.destroy-s.
Ok, I'll try it out when I get a chance

(Jul. 14, 2019  6:45 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Thanks fam. I was thinking of a combo like O4.down.destroy-s.
Here are the tests m8:

Test 1:
O4.D.Ds-S VS G2.G.O (G2 launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 35% (OS: 1, KO: 6, BST: 0)
G2 Win rate: 65% (OS: 7, KO: 0, BST: 6)
Ties: 5 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 5)

Test 2:
O4.D.Ds-S VS O2(H).G.U (O2 launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 15% (OS: 1, KO: 1, BST: 1)
O2 Win rate: 85% (OS: 3, KO: 4, BST: 10)
Ties: 4 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 4)

Test 3:
O4.D.Ds-S VS U.G.O (U launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 5% (OS: 0, KO: 1, BST: 0)
U Win rate: 95% (OS: 12, KO: 0, BST: 7)
Ties: 1 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 1)

Test 4:
O4.D.Ds-S VS Y2.G.O (Y2 launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 40% (OS: 0, KO: 1, BST: 7)
Y2 Win rate: 60% (OS: 11, KO: 1, BST: 0)
Ties: 3 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 3)

Oh well..... guess my combo is just bad Unhappy
(Jul. 15, 2019  12:22 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote:
(Jul. 14, 2019  5:46 PM)bladekid Wrote: Ok, I'll try it out when I get a chance

Here are the tests m8:

Test 1:
O4.D.Ds-S VS G2.G.O (G2 launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 35% (OS: 1, KO: 6, BST: 0)
G2 Win rate: 65% (OS: 7, KO: 0, BST: 6)
Ties: 5 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 5)

Test 2:
O4.D.Ds-S VS O2(H).G.U (O2 launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 15% (OS: 1, KO: 1, BST: 1)
O2 Win rate: 85% (OS: 3, KO: 4, BST: 10)
Ties: 4 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 4)

Test 3:
O4.D.Ds-S VS U.G.O (U launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 5% (OS: 0, KO: 1, BST: 0)
U Win rate: 95% (OS: 12, KO: 0, BST: 7)
Ties: 1 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 1)

Test 4:
O4.D.Ds-S VS Y2.G.O (Y2 launched first, ties redone)

O4 Win rate: 40% (OS: 0, KO: 1, BST: 7)
Y2 Win rate: 60% (OS: 11, KO: 1, BST: 0)
Ties: 3 (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 3)

Oh well..... guess my combo is just bad Unhappy
Not really, while D's (and by extension, Ds-S) isn't really that good for attack, it was able to beat a ton of other things in my loose testing, it was able to burst and KO a lot of other really good combos, and it just seems that O4 couldn't not burst long enough to beat the opponent. It seemed to a lot better against U based defence types rather than O based ones. This could be because it seems to be better at burst that KO attack. Keep in mind, these are all definitely top tier defense types and O4 still did pretty with that gigantic type disadvantage.