(Nov. 11, 2008 11:39 PM)Grey Wrote: (Nov. 11, 2008 11:36 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: Garchomp is uber now!?
Yeah. If it holds Yache Berry (which weakens Ice Type Moves), it's main weakness is taken away, making it "overpowered" and "too strong for Standard use."
Why all Garchomps are banned from Standard Play instead of just "Yachechomps" (Garchomps holding Yache Berries) is beyond me.
After countless threads and discussion about Garchomp's status in OU, it was deemed as too overcentralizing and overpowered in the OU metagame, thus it ended up being voted as Uber. He's still available in the Suspect Ladder (Shoddy Smogon server), so they compare how both metagames (with and without) turn out and what is most beneficial for the standard metagame. This is how the tests go:
Stage 1: Analysis of a single Suspect in a suspect-free standard metagame
Stage 2: Our assessment of Uber or OU for any Suspect's impact on a suspect-free metagame, following the respective Suspect's completion of Stage 1.
Stage 3: Analysis of all the Suspects in the standard metagame with the knowledge of which are considered Uber and OU in a Suspect-free metagame.
Garchomp being Uber now, has promoted the OU metagame with more variety. Pokémon who weren't used much before because of how they were dead-weight against Garchomp, now see use more often. He was also the biggest threat every team had to be prepared for, with no real counters since there was no 1 pokémon able to counter all of his possible movesets and even those sets that got countered by X or Y pokémon, had trouble doing so and would end up having lost at least 1 member most of the time. Every team was loaded with would be Garchomp counters before. He's quite bulky, despite the awful 4x Ice weak and even lacking Yache, you'd still find yourself in trouble to counter it. Most of Shoddy's top battling teams had Garchomp in them (and so do Suspect ladder teams) and he even went to surpass Blissey in usages. Sand Veil didn't help either and since most were paired up with Tyranitar, he had that 20% evasion boost up in most matches and that one miss could cost you the whole game.
Now, Garchomp isn't the only pokémon that centralizes play, there's always more top dogs which you'd see often and have trouble with like Gengar, Lucario, Gyarados or Salamence, but none of those restricted the OU metagame as much as Garchomp did.
Early metagame after Chomp was banned:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45034
After Chomp, Deoxys-S soon followed. Right now, the current suspect pokémon is
Skymin (Shaymin's sky form, Shaymin-S).
If anyone's wondering, only the top players and common users (yes, these guys actually know what they're doing) were allowed to vote and all posted their reasons. The majority voted them as Uber.
(Nov. 13, 2008 12:11 PM)BeyUK-Espio Wrote: Simply use an special Ice move. I fought many Garchomp and taken it down with an Ice Beam.
You can't look at it this simply.... To counter him, you first have to switch in and that's usually when he's at +2, etc, etc...
A counter has to both be able to switch in with little to no harm to itself (that means not taking too much damage, like being 2HKOed =/ ) and pose an immediate threat to his opponent.
If that post is reflecting of a common scenario in your battles, I guess the people you play against can't be very good (well, this is Wi-Fi after all...).
If you really want to play and learn about competitive pokémon, visit Smogon; read around and you'll see what I mean. You can pick up a lot from just reading around the forums, plus all the analysis and articles. Also, try playing in Smogon's Shoddy server.
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