(Jun. 18, 2019  5:18 AM)UltimateMaster Wrote: I’d say wall

(Jun. 18, 2019  5:30 AM)eigerblade Wrote:

(Jun. 18, 2019  5:18 AM)UltimateMaster Wrote: I’d say wall

I see. Is there a particular reason? Does it lower the center of gravity more than the other two?

I have been using wall as well, and I am wondering if lift (with its smoother perimeter**) and ratchet (with the free spinning ring) could do the same but with better LAD

**I dont even have Lift so I am not actually sure if its perimeter is actually better for LAD than Wall

(Jun. 18, 2019  2:10 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Ratchet outperforms wall on at least a few bearing combos. Wall can scrape and just ruin all or most of it's stamina, although very rare in opposite spin battles.

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So, maybe that's the reason why lift is used over wall.

(Jun. 18, 2019  3:01 PM)eigerblade Wrote: I see. So if I'm not getting this wrong, the relationship between Wall and Lift is that Lift performs better on same spin matches due to less scrape risk, but Wall gives better precession on opposite spin matches.

I'm currently testing Ratchet and it seems the free spinning gimmick does not add too much LAD to the combo. When the Bearing combo starts to tip over, it would have too little energy left to even budge the free spinning ring, so I'm still not sure how it sits against the other 2 choices.

(Jun. 18, 2019  5:42 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote:

(Jun. 18, 2019  3:01 PM)eigerblade Wrote: I see. So if I'm not getting this wrong, the relationship between Wall and Lift is that Lift performs better on same spin matches due to less scrape risk, but Wall gives better precession on opposite spin matches.

I'm currently testing Ratchet and it seems the free spinning gimmick does not add too much LAD to the combo. When the Bearing combo starts to tip over, it would have too little energy left to even budge the free spinning ring, so I'm still not sure how it sits against the other 2 choices.

Yeah, you got that right.
But as I said, ratchet does outperform wall on a few bearing combos if not all (talking about same AND opposite spin battles).

(Sep. 12, 2019  1:08 AM)Nate the Blader Wrote:

(Jun. 18, 2019  5:42 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Yeah, you got that right.
But as I said, ratchet does outperform wall on a few bearing combos if not all (talking about same AND opposite spin battles).

Interesting I haven't really seen ratchet used competitively in Wbo tournaments however vanguard seems to have some use.

(Sep. 12, 2019  2:36 AM)Rouzuke Wrote:

(Sep. 12, 2019  1:08 AM)Nate the Blader Wrote: Interesting I haven't really seen ratchet used competitively in Wbo tournaments however vanguard seems to have some use.

If used on the Spriggan line, Ratchet.Bearing can outspin most opposite spin Bearing combos. But for Lord Base, best to use Blitz if on Bearing for both precession and LAD (and even can outlast many combos on same spin since it'll be like a dual-spin Judgment with high attack potential); czS on Sting and Atomic is a beast too, as long as you know what you're doing (but that's a discussion for another time)

0/00Wall/Lift have been dominating the meta (prior to GT) primarily due to the weight distribution that lets Bearing spin quite smoothly and longer than usual stamina Drivers. Pairing of the Core Disk (0 or 00) and Wall/Lift depends on the tested balance of solo spin time for the rest of the given combo (ex. you use czS.0W.Br because you find that 0L or 00W/L give less solo spin time and balance to the combo)

To sum it up (from my experience):

Sr/czS/LS with Rt.Br > spin equalization Layers on opposite spin with 0/00W/L.Br

Just to add into the mix, pP.Bl.Br is also quite popular as I've noted in local tournaments, and only gets shutdown by combos with either Judgment or Zwei.

Vanguard, I really didn't like primarily because of the shape that is much worse than Wall (aka scrape fest), but it may also work.

(Sep. 13, 2019  5:50 AM)Wombat Wrote: Based on my own testing, as well as things I've heard from Kei, Shindog, and Infinite.Zero, Wall seems to be the best for Bearing in opposite spin, regardless of Layer or spin direction.

It outclasses Turn, and therefore also Lift in this aspect (though I'd imagine the reason Lift is more popular in Japan/Korea is so people can flip it upside down and have a better chance in same spin matchups, which technically is allowed here too I guess). Because of the way it's designed, Ratchet works better in left spin than it does in right, but I haven't found it to be better than Wall in opposite spin, and it's apparently so bad in same spin that B3.00W.Br can outspin hS.Rt.Br. Not quite sure how Ratchet stacks up to Lift or Turn yet.

Vanguard also appears to be on par with Wall in both same and opposite spin for Stamina/LAD, if not marginally worse, while also providing additional burst resistance.

EDIT: If you're trying to maximize your Bearing's same spin potential and just cut your losses vs opposite spin Xt+/Br combos then something like Cross/Flow/Sting or maybe Expand is your best bet.

(Sep. 13, 2019  6:03 AM)Nate the Blader Wrote: Wombat coming in clutch, so you think lift is a better option than wall?

(Jun. 18, 2019  5:30 AM)eigerblade Wrote:

(Jun. 18, 2019  5:18 AM)UltimateMaster Wrote: I’d say wall

I see. Is there a particular reason? Does it lower the center of gravity more than the other two?

I have been using wall as well, and I am wondering if lift (with its smoother perimeter**) and ratchet (with the free spinning ring) could do the same but with better LAD

**I dont even have Lift so I am not actually sure if its perimeter is actually better for LAD than Wall