(Feb. 21, 2022  1:05 AM)SunBlader98 Wrote: th!nk Can You try it against  Storm Spriggan Heavy Metal Destroy It has unseen potential and could be a counter to this

(Feb. 21, 2022  12:57 AM)MagikHorse Wrote: I'm glad I could throw out the suggestion. Deep Chaos is my single favorite layer, and I've always wished the original Chaos could perform better than it did with its insanely high risk play. I wasn't originally thinking it would be a particularly easy to cause bursts, but I guess its "fangs" are pretty tough striking points. Combine that with high Stamina, and I can see how it'd be a beast.

(Feb. 21, 2022  1:07 AM)th!nk Wrote:

(Feb. 21, 2022  1:05 AM)SunBlader98 Wrote: th!nk Can You try it against  Storm Spriggan Heavy Metal Destroy It has unseen potential and could be a counter to this

Broyeeto beat a Destroy combo with it today so I wouldn't expect much change. Will try. I'm actually taking a 2 day sabbatical haha, so I won't be able to test or post much til it's over.

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(Feb. 21, 2022  1:54 AM)bladekid Wrote: Glad I could help by loosing. But for real, this is a great thing for the meta, as I was told that there were no dash stamina options for something like this to be abused on. I would have said something like D1 on high Xt+' would be really OP, but fwih, it was too tall to be useful so I just kinda left it. Glad that it's being looked at now.

(Feb. 21, 2022  3:12 PM)Broyeeto Wrote: Also, figure it’s worth mentioning the combos I fought (a semi tournament write up if you will). First round was unicrest heavy orbit, this was a 3-0 shut out by os. Nothing unicrest could do to have a chance. Second round was good ol dead spryzen (S2 knuckle zephyr hasbro). Slopes may have been worn on the spryzen or I just overestimated it but it was a 3-0 win by burst. Would’ve been able to os as well but chaos chose violence. Third round was a… weird combo. A2 yell gyro hasbro. This was a 3-0 shut out with 2 bursts and one out spin. Next up was J2 gravity defense. Also a 3-0 shut out for spin outs. Next up was friedpasta. He assumed I was just going easy for the first couple rounds to have some fun and figured I would use balar on knuckle hunter-s. He chose miniboros knuckle quick’ as stated earlier in this post while I went chaos. I started being 2-0 up and friedpasta made a comeback for a narrow victory of 2-3 with all of chaos’ points being os and miniboros getting 2 koes and one burst. There was also one double burst in this matchup. Next was unicrest yell destroy. Again, a 3-0 shut out for chaos. Last battle in the first round was vs bladekid with Yegdrion heavy yard-s. Bladekid won 3-0 with outspins although I feel I could’ve won this matchup if I launched harder (as I will prove in the next battle).
Now for top 4 bladekid, redninja, and friedpasta and myself. Very stacked top 4 so I knew it would be a little tough. First round I was vs bladekid again. He started out with dranzer flame knuckle (I think it was knuckle??? Maybe it was gravity but I forget) assault+kick vs chaos. This was a clear victory for chaos by outspin. He then swapped to his Yegdrion heavy yard-s again like the last match. He got one lucky ko which really hurt chaos (being koes are 2 points in deck) but it was a very close battle with bladekid’s hard launch vs mine. Final score ended up being 5-4 for me with all of chaos’ points being by outspin. Next up for the first position it was myself vs Redninja. I was able to burst and outspin his dranzer flame (again, I think knuckle?) assault+kick. He also tried dragoon f yell eternal-s but the lad on high xtend+’ wouldn’t give that a chance either. Lastly, he tried Roktavor (I think gravity? I’m sorry I can’t remember discs very well) octa. This was a clear os for chaos and it only took 2 clicks from the match.
In conclusion chaos is able to single-handedly destroy the driver matchup chart due to it’s strong stamina and burst attack. There is no stamina combo (that isn’t specialized to beat it specifically and nothing else) that we’ve found that can do the job. I heavily believe chaos is not the problem and instead think it’s high xtend+’ giving the torture to the format.

(Feb. 21, 2022  4:05 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: I gotta say, this is quite the interesting combo. Chaos is something that, despite its stamina, hasn’t really ever seen use in classic. I remember the wiki page for this saying it’s stamina was great, but it was too bursty to actually be useful. I also think High Xtend+’ is a great choice here, as I too think it’s same spin is very good as well as it’s opposite spin. I gotta ask though, why Heavy? I’ve only really heard of it being used on attack or defense combos, not stamina. Would something like Spread or even Ring not work better due to its rounder shape? Or does it have something to do with weight distribution with Heavy as well as just greater weight?

(Feb. 21, 2022  4:05 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: I gotta say, this is quite the interesting combo. Chaos is something that, despite its stamina, hasn’t really ever seen use in classic. I remember the wiki page for this saying it’s stamina was great, but it was too bursty to actually be useful. I also think High Xtend+’ is a great choice here, as I too think it’s same spin is very good as well as it’s opposite spin. I gotta ask though, why Heavy? I’ve only really heard of it being used on attack or defense combos, not stamina. Would something like Spread or even Ring not work better due to its rounder shape? Or does it have something to do with weight distribution with Heavy as well as just greater weight?

(Feb. 21, 2022  2:25 PM)Broyeeto Wrote: DHR test now that I have the part that isn’t broken. Alternating launches, chaos hard banked DHR hard flat for launches. Parts are near mint
DHR os
Chaos burst
DHR os
Chaos burst
DHR burst
Chaos burst
Chaos burst
Chaos ko
Chaos burst
DHR os
60% chaos 40% DHR
Basically the saying that anything it can’t outspin it can burst still holds up here. This thing apparently hasn’t read the driver matchup chart because it doesn’t care if you’re supposed to win.

(Feb. 21, 2022  6:07 PM)SunBlader98 Wrote:

(Feb. 21, 2022  2:25 PM)Broyeeto Wrote: DHR test now that I have the part that isn’t broken. Alternating launches, chaos hard banked DHR hard flat for launches. Parts are near mint
DHR os
Chaos burst
DHR os
Chaos burst
DHR burst
Chaos burst
Chaos burst
Chaos ko
Chaos burst
DHR os
60% chaos 40% DHR
Basically the saying that anything it can’t outspin it can burst still holds up here. This thing apparently hasn’t read the driver matchup chart because it doesn’t care if you’re supposed to win.

DHR?

(Feb. 21, 2022  11:09 PM)PikaBeyblade Wrote: Burst limited was already broken by Drift now Burst classic might not be fun anymore

(Feb. 21, 2022  11:25 PM)PikaBeyblade Wrote: Ban HXt’, Also I think maybe Kreis Satan could be allowed in classic since it weighs .2 grams more than Nova Neptune

(Feb. 21, 2022  11:25 PM)PikaBeyblade Wrote: Ban HXt’, Also I think maybe Kreis Satan could be allowed in classic since it weighs .2 grams more than Nova Neptune

(Feb. 21, 2022  11:29 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote:

(Feb. 21, 2022  11:25 PM)PikaBeyblade Wrote: Ban HXt’, Also I think maybe Kreis Satan could be allowed in classic since it weighs .2 grams more than Nova Neptune

I still think banning hxt’ is a stretch. And Kreis Satan being allowed in classic would be a problem. It’d arguably have even better defense with its layer alone than something like gianon on keep. Just because something is a tiny bit heavier doesn’t mean it’s the same level. Spriggan Reqiuem’s Layer is 1 gram heavier than legend Spriggan’s. And…. I don’t think I need to explain the rest.