(Nov. 21, 2021  2:17 AM)th!nk Wrote: I think it should definitely be a format - and most importantly I think it needs to be done ASAP while judgment, command, lord, pP and zwei are all still on shelves with master and x' round the corner. Like right now you can make a number of competitive combos for it without importing, which I think is huge and will make the format extremely popular via sheer accessibility. If we leave it too long and they go, it really hurts the format in the long term to take away that advantage it has to get a foothold.

This is particularly important to me. So, in Perth the other week there was a 50 person tournament. Age capped at 14, but there are players here. I need to be able to make the WBO engaging to them and most importantly their parents. You know what would help me most with that? A format that means said parents don't have to buy from overseas for their kids, but instead can go to the local Kmart and get parts for. This could be huge for Perth... But we also need it ranked so there's a reason to do it via the WBO rather than just doing a non-WBO tournament (I can probably get players easier for that with our rep for being Super Serious) and for that I can charge entry fees for bigger prizes etc (MOT coupons aren't really useful in Aus)... I need to have a really good reason for them to engage with us and BGT really could be it I think. So, please do consider expediency for my little town 🥲

(Nov. 21, 2021  2:23 AM)Beybladedb Wrote:

(Nov. 21, 2021  2:17 AM)th!nk Wrote: I think it should definitely be a format - and most importantly I think it needs to be done ASAP while judgment, command, lord, pP and zwei are all still on shelves with master and x' round the corner. Like right now you can make a number of competitive combos for it without importing, which I think is huge and will make the format extremely popular via sheer accessibility. If we leave it too long and they go, it really hurts the format in the long term to take away that advantage it has to get a foothold.

This is particularly important to me. So, in Perth the other week there was a 50 person tournament. Age capped at 14, but there are players here. I need to be able to make the WBO engaging to them and most importantly their parents. You know what would help me most with that? A format that means said parents don't have to buy from overseas for their kids, but instead can go to the local Kmart and get parts for. This could be huge for Perth... But we also need it ranked so there's a reason to do it via the WBO rather than just doing a non-WBO tournament (I can probably get players easier for that with our rep for being Super Serious) and for that I can charge entry fees for bigger prizes etc (MOT coupons aren't really useful in Aus)... I need to have a really good reason for them to engage with us and BGT really could be it I think. So, please do consider expediency for my little town 🥲

yes at today's tournament, the northwest cup, there were many people using pro series beys which only can shine in bgt as they are banned in burst limited but are outclassed by weight in standard and would be more enjoyable for all if there was a bgt format.

(Dec. 05, 2021  6:06 PM)Shindog Wrote: I was fortunate enough to try this format out on 12/4/21 at meet up event hosted by Virtous Circle.  Here is a video by Virtuous Circle with footage from the event:

https://youtu.be/quvE3rGCqzs

I played the following combos in 10 rounds of round robin and 2 more rounds in the top 4.  

(Level chip) pP.Ig’
(Level chip) pP.Ω.Vl’
Tact Bahamut.Ig’ Goku
Master Spriggan.00C.Xt+
Judgement Diabolos.0E.X’
Zwei Bahamut.10R.Jl’ Goku
Zwei Diabolos.10R.Jl’
Imperial Dragon2.0E.X’
Imperial Dragon2.0E.DS’

Wanted to thank Virtuous Circle for trying the format out!  I really enjoyed it.

(Nov. 25, 2021  12:13 AM)AstralFafnir Wrote: Finally, an excuse to assemble that epic Zwei combo I never had the money to buy. Zwei Fafnir Sting Quick' Goku.

EDIT: Also stuff like Judgement, Imperial, Lord is awesome too

My dream loadout, should this format exist:
- Zwei Fafnir (aforementioned)
- Lord Diabolos 00Wall Xtend+
- Imperial Achilles Blitz Destroy'

(Dec. 11, 2021  5:10 PM)th!nk Wrote: I've been really enjoying experimenting with this format. I finally got my Hasbro bearing in and am enjoying TS4 10Turn HasBr a lot. TS4 brings a lot of weird little options to the format with Hasbro drivers I guess.

Also, using Paradox with Mobius to mimic nx+s has been quite interesting - just ripping Shin's prominence Phoenix nx-s mb off with pP.Pr.Mb and seeing it work really well was very satisfying. It's a really interesting and unique meta - it has a lot of Standard, but without the extreme weights, and with a much more dangerous meta for stamina. Perhaps areas that are less willing to use attack might not see the full benefit of the format, but I guess if people won't use attack in GT of all formats, that's kinda self inflicted (that said, MFL was designed to be very attack friendly and some places don't use attack there much either 😅)

(Dec. 11, 2021  8:35 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote:

(Dec. 11, 2021  5:10 PM)th!nk Wrote: I've been really enjoying experimenting with this format. I finally got my Hasbro bearing in and am enjoying TS4 10Turn HasBr a lot. TS4 brings a lot of weird little options to the format with Hasbro drivers I guess.

Also, using Paradox with Mobius to mimic nx+s has been quite interesting - just ripping Shin's prominence Phoenix nx-s mb off with pP.Pr.Mb and seeing it work really well was very satisfying. It's a really interesting and unique meta - it has a lot of Standard, but without the extreme weights, and with a much more dangerous meta for stamina. Perhaps areas that are less willing to use attack might not see the full benefit of the format, but I guess if people won't use attack in GT of all formats, that's kinda self inflicted (that said, MFL was designed to be very attack friendly and some places don't use attack there much either 😅)

How did paradox work for you in opposite spin? I know mobius is quite wide so giving it a wider disc would help stability in same spin, perhaps making it stall even more. But since mobius is taller than most things does paradox take away from how it goes on top of beys? I would think a more compact disc gives the opponent less contact to equalize from and the layers underside can spin on top of the layer, and a wider disc would do the opposite. I don’t have mobius though, so you undoubtedly know more than me. I’m just curious.

(Dec. 12, 2021  3:46 AM)th!nk Wrote:

(Dec. 11, 2021  8:35 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: How did paradox work for you in opposite spin? I know mobius is quite wide so giving it a wider disc would help stability in same spin, perhaps making it stall even more. But since mobius is taller than most things does paradox take away from how it goes on top of beys? I would think a more compact disc gives the opponent less contact to equalize from and the layers underside can spin on top of the layer, and a wider disc would do the opposite. I don’t have mobius though, so you undoubtedly know more than me. I’m just curious.

 It's more that paradox has good OWD and also a low centre of gravity, preventing Mobius from toppling or scraping much. Tbh the protection re height is good if anything, prevents destabilisation from below. Mobius has some of the best LAD in the game so it wants maximum equalisation.

(Dec. 12, 2021  7:19 AM)TheRogueBlader Wrote:

(Dec. 12, 2021  3:46 AM)th!nk Wrote:  It's more that paradox has good OWD and also a low centre of gravity, preventing Mobius from toppling or scraping much. Tbh the protection re height is good if anything, prevents destabilisation from below. Mobius has some of the best LAD in the game so it wants maximum equalisation.

Huh. I was under the impression mobius didn’t benefit from a lower center of gravity, but I guess it does, and that makes sense since mobius doesn’t tip over since it’s so flat.

(Dec. 14, 2021  5:15 PM)SupaDav03 Wrote: I’m hosting a BGT tournament this weekend. Hopefully I’ll be able to provide some good data/insight from the event. I’ll use Challonge and try to record some matches as well.

(Dec. 15, 2021  6:35 PM)th!nk Wrote: Actually, the slow reaction surprises me given people are actively trying to host and play the format *despite* the WBO not recognising it - situation seems a bit odd to me... What are we waiting on y'all?

(Dec. 16, 2021  12:25 AM)The Supreme One Wrote:

(Dec. 15, 2021  6:35 PM)th!nk Wrote: Actually, the slow reaction surprises me given people are actively trying to host and play the format *despite* the WBO not recognising it - situation seems a bit odd to me... What are we waiting on y'all?

The GT Format has already been proposed and voted on by Organized Play staff and we're in the process of voting at the director level. Moving MFB's 4D Format to experimental may take priority since there's more documentation behind it and it's been in the works for longer at this point.