(Jul. 03, 2018  7:39 AM)ThePheonix Wrote: Ha! What’d I tell ya! hS will get in more hits because of the shape...

(Jul. 03, 2018  3:54 PM)OfficialGoob Wrote: hS should be banned

(Jul. 03, 2018  3:54 PM)OfficialGoob Wrote: hS should be banned

(Jul. 04, 2018  7:05 AM)leosama Wrote:

(Jul. 03, 2018  3:54 PM)OfficialGoob Wrote: hS should be banned

there are reliable counters for it like emperor forneus and others. Spriggan Requiem and maximum Garuda were banned because you had to beat it with the same layer, therefore, the meta became spriggan requiem and maximum Garuda, nothing else. You had to be able to beat them to have a chance. It was at this point that they were banned, because it came down to two factors: shoot power and those two layers. Attack combos didn’t stand a chance. The current meta is diverse- therefore, there should be no need for a ban

(Jul. 04, 2018  7:58 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: Just Tried hS for spin stealing, No good. even aB is better zombie

(Jul. 04, 2018  8:01 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  7:58 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: Just Tried hS for spin stealing, No good. even aB is better zombie

What setup did u use? And what setup was the opponent using?  Also what stadium were u using?

(Jul. 04, 2018  7:58 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  7:05 AM)leosama Wrote: there are reliable counters for it like emperor forneus and others. Spriggan Requiem and maximum Garuda were banned because you had to beat it with the same layer, therefore, the meta became spriggan requiem and maximum Garuda, nothing else. You had to be able to beat them to have a chance. It was at this point that they were banned, because it came down to two factors: shoot power and those two layers. Attack combos didn’t stand a chance. The current meta is diverse- therefore, there should be no need for a ban

It should be banned as right spin attack(which is most of the attack)  struggles against it and it can easily beat right spin stamina and defense basically only thing which can beat hS is bL.  And yea if u use emperor forneus on a mirror setup against hS then it would lose consistently . Theres nothing left spin which has more stamina than hS.

(Jul. 04, 2018  8:17 AM)leosama Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  7:58 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote: It should be banned as right spin attack(which is most of the attack)  struggles against it and it can easily beat right spin stamina and defense basically only thing which can beat hS is bL.  And yea if u use emperor forneus on a mirror setup against hS then it would lose consistently . Theres nothing left spin which has more stamina than hS.

baha I’m not kidding, go see what went down at the beytuber brawl

people keep saying that they’ve found consistent counters for hS

(Jul. 04, 2018  8:50 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  8:17 AM)leosama Wrote: baha I’m not kidding, go see what went down at the beytuber brawl

people keep saying that they’ve found consistent counters for hS

TBH my sX was able to KO hS

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But KO from sX is not consistent

(Jul. 04, 2018  9:15 AM)leosama Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  8:50 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: TBH my sX was able to KO hS

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But KO from sX is not consistent

see? you've got a counter for it too, that's why it doesn't need to be banned

the meta looks fine the way it is imo, but the higher up people might think otherwise

(Jul. 04, 2018  8:17 AM)leosama Wrote: baha I’m not kidding, go see what went down at the beytuber brawl

people keep saying that they’ve found consistent counters for hS

(Jul. 04, 2018  9:39 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  8:17 AM)leosama Wrote: baha I’m not kidding, go see what went down at the beytuber brawl

people keep saying that they’ve found consistent counters for hS

I have a friend @[kjrules17] who went there and talked to me about it afterwards he said hS is dominating the meta and needs to be banned. And its quite clear why hS needs to be banned nothing outspins it in left spin it basically eats up  majority of attack,  it outspins almost all right spin stamina /defense stuff on Bearing, Destroy and Atomic. Only bL and nL(to an extent)  have a chance against it.

(Jul. 04, 2018  10:12 AM)leosama Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  9:39 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote: I have a friend @[kjrules17] who went there and talked to me about it afterwards he said hS is dominating the meta and needs to be banned. And its quite clear why hS needs to be banned nothing outspins it in left spin it basically eats up  majority of attack,  it outspins almost all right spin stamina /defense stuff on Bearing, Destroy and Atomic. Only bL and nL(to an extent)  have a chance against it.

you got a point, i guess we'll see what happens. I'm gonna bet it doesn't get banned, but hey, i might be wrong

(Jul. 04, 2018  10:44 AM)Battleburst Wrote: Ya I saw a video (Japanese ) in which nl revolve beated hell salamander revolve.

(Jul. 04, 2018  10:52 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  10:44 AM)Battleburst Wrote: Ya I saw a video (Japanese ) in which nl revolve beated hell salamander revolve.

I can confirm this, i tested it today, both on Beylauncher lr, hS.h.r vs nL.o
also nL based attack combinations can do quite a damage

(Jul. 04, 2018  9:39 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  8:17 AM)leosama Wrote: baha I’m not kidding, go see what went down at the beytuber brawl

people keep saying that they’ve found consistent counters for hS

I have a friend @[kjrules17] who went there and talked to me about it afterwards he said hS is dominating the meta and needs to be banned. And its quite clear why hS needs to be banned nothing outspins it in left spin it basically eats up  majority of attack,  it outspins almost all right spin stamina /defense stuff on Bearing, Destroy and Atomic. Only bL and nL(to an extent)  have a chance against it.

(Jul. 04, 2018  12:02 PM)kjrules17 Wrote: Let me actually correct myself @[Rebel Blader]. When you and I were talking, I said I wouldn't be surprised to see it get banned, but I didn't say it needs to be banned. It'll probably be banned down the line, but we don't know yet. Personally, I think more testing should be done with it.

(Jul. 04, 2018  8:02 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: Also Hell Salamander can outspin both left and right, with correct launching speed, not some thing which i tried, hand spinnng is no good(who cares) Proto launcher did this

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(Jul. 04, 2018  8:01 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote: What setup did u use? And what setup was the opponent using?  Also what stadium were u using?

Burst Standard beystadium. opponent was K2.Nine.orbit (that's what common on India, can't be helped, waiting for gods)
hS when launched with proto can outspin K2 launched with Beylauncher LR.
But even you need full strenght will proto, or hS will be Knocked of balance.
hS.h.r was used

(Jul. 04, 2018  12:02 PM)kjrules17 Wrote: Let me actually correct myself @[Rebel Blader]. When you and I were talking, I said I wouldn't be surprised to see it get banned, but I didn't say it needs to be banned. It'll probably be banned down the line, but we don't know yet. Personally, I think more testing should be done with it.

(Jul. 04, 2018  3:35 PM)Rebel Blader Wrote: Oh well sorry i thought u said that that but oh well anyways u do agree it is quite dominating the meta?

(Jul. 04, 2018  3:41 PM)kjrules17 Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2018  3:35 PM)Rebel Blader Wrote: Oh well sorry i thought u said that that but oh well anyways u do agree it is quite dominating the meta?

Yeah, definitely. Most combos I saw being used at the Beytuber Brawl involved Hell Salamander.