(Mar. 17, 2019  9:39 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: How are there 2 Proofs in your deck @[Shindog]

(Mar. 17, 2019  9:44 AM)ks123 Wrote:

(Mar. 17, 2019  9:39 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: How are there 2 Proofs in your deck @[Shindog]

Maybe combos isn’t same deck

(Mar. 17, 2019  9:39 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: How are there 2 Proofs in your deck @[Shindog]

(Mar. 17, 2019  6:52 AM)Wombat Wrote: Jimmy Zeutron 2: Blast from the Past
Philadelphia, PA, USA | March 16, 2019 | Burst Classic Format

1st Place: Wombat
Guardian Kerbeus Down Orbit
Roktavor Heavy Cycle
Yegdrion Heavy Yard-S
Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr
Quad Quetzalcatl Yell Xtreme'
Neptune Gravity Revolve
Neptune Yell Eternal (Deck Format Finals Only) <- I hate that I had to use this combo but yall wanted to play burst standard in burst classic
Odin Heavy Defense (Deck Format Finals Only)

2nd Place: Ardmore Bladers
Guardian Kerbeus Spread Revolve
Guardian Kerbeus Spread Orbit
Acid Anubis Knuckle Revolve (Deck Format Finals Only)
Dragoon F Yell Eternal-S (Deck Format Finals Only)

3rd Place: phantom blade
Wolborg Yell Eternal
Acid Anubis Knuckle Revolve (Deck Format Finals Only)
Valtyrek Heavy Iron (Deck Format Finals Only)
Guardian Kerbeus Heavy Revolve (Deck Format Finals Only)

4th Place: NatedogPhilly
Wolborg Heavy Eternal
Dragoon F Yell Eternal-S (Deck Format Finals Only)
Dragoon F Gravity Octa (Deck Format Finals Only)
God Valkyrie Triple Destroy (Deck Format Finals Only)
Valtryek V2 Knuckle Xtreme (Deck Format Finals Only)
Anubion A2 Spread Iron (Deck Format Finals Only)
Kreis Satan Yell Revolve (Deck Format Finals Only)

Tournament report coming soon™

(Apr. 13, 2019  3:55 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: Destroy is a likable driver. I like destroy a lot, I use it on my Cho-Z A. It's fun, it doesn't require too complicated a launch to flower, and it has some decent stamina. If  I had Destroy' I'd be all over it. Also, people win with it, so clearly it's decent.

(Apr. 13, 2019  6:12 AM)The Supreme One Wrote: @[Kei] Destroy has been popular here for a while! The addition of Ds' makes it a very versatile and safe driver - great stamina and defense with the potential to be used as an attacker. I know in Yami's deck match against epickblader at Lunior Cup, he got one, possibly two KOs on dP At with cR Ds' and in my match against SoulBurner at How to Train Your GT Dragon, he got a couple snipes on me with his dP Ds'. One of the benefits of Ds' is that it's an attacker that can't really be countered by weak launching because when you do, you put yourself at risk of being outspun.

(Apr. 14, 2019  8:18 PM)AirKingNeo Wrote: It could just be me, but I feel like Perfect Phoenix and Xt+ might just be too good of parts. What's usually the tournament consensus on these parts and what can beat them consistently?

Also, since it isn't seen a lot, how is Cho-Z Spriggan performing? We're seeing 00W.Br on it, but is anyone trying it with Xt+, Atomic, or Ds'? Also interesting to see people using Crash Ragnaruk after people discovered how good it is on Ds' and Z'.

(Apr. 15, 2019  3:50 AM)AirKingNeo Wrote: Cho-Z Spriggan didn't make a splash on release because it comes in a set that most people can forgo. Why use that when I can still use the hS and aH I've used for the past 6 months? This plays into the same reason why we don't see many attack combos used. There are a lot fewer parts for attack that in the meta (which is why Xtend Plus and Perfect Phoenix appear so good based on tops) than defense/stamina, which also can interchange parts. Making an attack bey takes a bunch of specialized parts too, since you'd have to buy Cho-Z Valkyrie, and Xtreme', and then use the 0/7/10/00 disc you should already have. If you want to make a stamina/defense bey, you just buy Hell Salamander and use the 0/7/10/00 disc and Atomic driver you already have OR you buy Archer Hercules and use the 0/7/10/00 disc and the Eternal driver it comes with. The most specialized we've gotten for stamina/defense is Outer, Xtend Plus, and Dead Phoenix, which do seem potentially too strong.

(Apr. 15, 2019  6:54 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: I've mentioned finding very consistent success with Cho-Z Spriggan Wall Bearing combos against both Archer Hercules and Hell Salamander and I have mentioned that on the wiki as well. Perhaps that's why it's being used more?

(Apr. 21, 2019  12:29 AM)Hussainthetank Wrote: how comes cho-z valkyrie was used instead of slash? isn't it better?

(Apr. 21, 2019  1:33 AM)Kei Wrote:

(Apr. 15, 2019  3:50 AM)AirKingNeo Wrote: Cho-Z Spriggan didn't make a splash on release because it comes in a set that most people can forgo. Why use that when I can still use the hS and aH I've used for the past 6 months? This plays into the same reason why we don't see many attack combos used. There are a lot fewer parts for attack that in the meta (which is why Xtend Plus and Perfect Phoenix appear so good based on tops) than defense/stamina, which also can interchange parts. Making an attack bey takes a bunch of specialized parts too, since you'd have to buy Cho-Z Valkyrie, and Xtreme', and then use the 0/7/10/00 disc you should already have. If you want to make a stamina/defense bey, you just buy Hell Salamander and use the 0/7/10/00 disc and Atomic driver you already have OR you buy Archer Hercules and use the 0/7/10/00 disc and the Eternal driver it comes with. The most specialized we've gotten for stamina/defense is Outer, Xtend Plus, and Dead Phoenix, which do seem potentially too strong.

I understand what you're saying here, but you said it yourself: Stamina can be pretty specialized too. Things like Xt+ and pP are not combinations every player can make.

And if we're talking about wanting to compete on a high level and build highly specialized combos, I would argue that the Cho-Z Customize Set is pretty important solely due to the inclusion of the Wall Frame. You could still use the same hS and aH you've used for the past several months on Lift Bearing, but if you don't have Wall, you have a higher chance of losing against opposite spin Wall Bearing-based combos.

(Apr. 15, 2019  6:54 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: I've mentioned finding very consistent success with Cho-Z Spriggan Wall Bearing combos against both Archer Hercules and Hell Salamander and I have mentioned that on the wiki as well. Perhaps that's why it's being used more?

In your testing of Cho-Z Spriggan Wall Bearing did the aH and hS combinations also have Wall?

I did mirror matches and both aH and hS still had the edge over 超S for me when both used Wall. That's why I never use it. The only benefit is that you can launch it harder to activate the burst stoppers, but I haven't encountered a situation yet where I thought that this benefit outweighed the ability to OS aH and hS in a mirror match.

(Apr. 21, 2019  12:29 AM)Hussainthetank Wrote: how comes cho-z valkyrie was used instead of slash? isn't it better?

Slash is competitive, but in my testing so far I've preferred Cho-Z Valkyrie as it has a little bit more stamina. I've also found that Slash does have a slight self-bursting problem (with Valkyrie, Dragon, and Ashura ... tried all three) even on Xtreme'. It's not major, but 超V never self-bursts, so it gets major points for that. Self-bursting in a competitive situation is pretty devastating.

(Apr. 21, 2019  4:42 AM)Godly_Requiem Wrote: What gt chip is best on slash Valkyrie?

(Apr. 21, 2019  1:30 PM)imkdlou Wrote: What is this all about?

(Apr. 21, 2019  1:55 PM)Godly_Requiem Wrote:

(Apr. 21, 2019  1:30 PM)imkdlou Wrote: What is this all about?

The Valkyrie chip has some of the best teeth, however, it only has two. If it gets attacked heavily it can skip teeth, so I'm wondering if ace would be better.

(Apr. 21, 2019  1:55 PM)Godly_Requiem Wrote:

(Apr. 21, 2019  1:30 PM)imkdlou Wrote: What is this all about?

The Valkyrie chip has some of the best teeth, however, it only has two. If it gets attacked heavily it can skip teeth, so I'm wondering if ace would be better.

(Apr. 21, 2019  6:08 PM)MagikHorse Wrote:

(Apr. 21, 2019  1:55 PM)Godly_Requiem Wrote: The Valkyrie chip has some of the best teeth, however, it only has two. If it gets attacked heavily it can skip teeth, so I'm wondering if ace would be better.

Ace is a layer base, yet you're wondering if it's better than Valkyrie which is a GT chip. They're incomparable as they're two different types of part. I'm just gonna assume you meant "Dragon" instead and roll off of that.

From what I've seen Dragon seems to handle regular drivers better, but on a ' driver I've seen Slash Dragon  skipping 2 teeth about as often as Slash Valkyrie skipping 1 tooth, staying roughly equivalent to each other. I haven't confirmed this numerically, but it doesn't seem like the difference is all that notable unless you're using a regular driver.