World Beyblade Organization by Fighting Spirits Inc.

...were your edits approved, Phoenix Inferno? The SG Semi-Flat change is no big deal, but the Flying Trypio thing is not really the sort of thing you should do without permission.

(Nov. 18, 2011  9:19 PM)Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]...were your edits approved, Phoenix Inferno? The SG Semi-Flat change is no big deal, but the Flying Trypio thing is not really the sort of thing you should do without permission.

.... It is Semi-Flat, but, I am sorry if I had broken the rules. Warn me if Needed.

Edit I delet Flying Trypio

Furthermore, the trypio edit was totally incorrect, it only flies in left spin, right spin creates down force.

Your previous edits to the bump king article are poorly written.

Please, go back to spamming the forum with terrible drafts and leave the editing to the literate.

(Nov. 18, 2011  9:59 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]Furthermore, the trypio edit was totally incorrect, it only flies in left spin, right spin creates down force.

Your previous edits to the bump king article are poorly written.

Please, go back to spamming the forum with terrible drafts and leave the editing to the literate.

Wow, kind of rude. I fixed Bump King article, I am sorry for bothering your time. Mods, warn me if nessary. I am stopping spamming right now.

Then improve and prove me wrong.

Sorry for being blunt, the subtle route was attempted by others, but obviously you missed the message.

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By the way, you should turn your pm's on (there's a how-to in my "how to make good posts" guide). I wanted to answer your question about griffolyon's base the other day (only saw it a day after you asked) and couldn't do so. My draft in the griffolyon draft thread (should be the most recent post) should explain how it "works", though.

@th!nk & :

So to be clear then, who are the individuals from whom approval should be received before making an edit?

For error fixes/common sense edits, generally I just edit and report it here. For anything large, I'd think supreme overlord Kei would need to give his stamp.of approval.

That said, there's always a chance I'm wrong, ahah.

A bit late, like a few days, but with Kei's permission, I've edited the Clear Wheel List, Metal Wheel List, the Track List, and the Bottoms List to accommodate the Blitz Unicorno, Death Quetzalcoatl, and VariAres parts. Also messed around with some of the line-break spacings to make the images stay within their sections of the Lists articles, just so they looked neater. No more images that falls on the lines, only before or after them.

Also, with Kei's permission, I put those into a new Category called "Parts Lists" and made that category a sub-category of the Metal Fight Beyblade category. I also included the Italian Articles in the Parts Lists, as well.

(Nov. 18, 2011  10:43 PM)Arupaeo Wrote: [ -> ]@th!nk & :

So to be clear then, who are the individuals from whom approval should be received before making an edit?

Kei is Captain Beywiki.

WD Redo:

Original Wrote:==Bottom: Wide Defense==
* '''Weight:''' 0.7 grams

Wide Defense, as its name implies is one of the widest of the “Defense” series of Bottoms (D, SD, WD, PD, EWD). This brings numerous advantages, but also some disadvantages when compared to the other “Defense” Bottoms. Because of its massive width that reaches the edge of the Bottom's perimeter, it is able to wobble at a significantly larger angle for a longer period of time than D or SD, and at a much lower spin rate. This can be advantageous in many battles, particularly those between two [[Survival | Stamina]] types when they are about to topple over; however, if you happen to have a weaker shot than your opponent who is using an SD-based customization, WDs low spin rate towards the end of the battle will make it extremely easy for the opponent to knock it completely over. This low spin rate towards the end of the battle is created because in the process of wobbling at such a large angle, more friction is made with the stadium floor, thus decreasing its Stamina. This is all avoidable however if your shot is at least as powerful as your opponent, as the extra time it is able to spin on an angle will allow you to narrowly outspin your D or SD based opponent.

WD has some defensive capabilities as well, but because it still uses a form of a sharp tip, its friction with the stadium floor is decreased, which, as a result, makes it easier to knock around than something like RS which has much more friction with the stadium floor. WD does of course offer superior Stamina to RS which in rare cases would be an advantage, but RS more often than not has enough Stamina to outlast [[Attack]] types.

===Use in Stamina customization===
WD can be utilized in the Stamina customization ''Burn Bull 85WD''.

My Redo Wrote:==Bottom: Wide Defense==
* '''Weight:''' 0.7 grams

Wide Defense, as its name implies is one of the widest of the “Defense” series of Bottoms (D, SD, WD, PD, EWD). This brings numerous advantages, but also some disadvantages when compared to the other “Defense” Bottoms, specifically D. On 85-145 height Tracks, WD served its time as the best Stamina Bottom available. More versatile parts such as BD145CS/EDS and B:D have overshadowed WD in this regard, but WD is still the primary Bottom for low-Track, Pure Stamina combos. On the TH170 or 230 heights, CS or D are superior to WD because of their greater height or balance.

Although the name suggests Defensive characteristics, WD cannot hold its own against even the weakest of Attackers.

===Use in Stamina customization===
WD's only current use is in the Stamina combo Earth Bull 100WD

It got a haircut.

I'm pretty sure you would have to define 'weakest of attackers', hah. Something like Poison 100RF couldn't knock it out, but would still be considered attack. And surely you should say 'Hell Kerbecs BD145WD (Boost Mode)', not Earth Bull 100WD?

Awesome rewrite. I mean, the extra precession it offers maybe could be mentioned but honestly, I don't really think anyone is that interested.

@Ga: Idk, depends what wheel WD is on, but almost anything on RF can KO stuff. Also, Hell BD145WD actually sucks, loses to a lot of things, whereas low track earth WD combo's do well against Basalt BD145cs/mb (which manages to kill a lot of other stamina combos).

/lolwut.

I need to test that one. So Kerbecs isn't really viable anymore, or at least, less viable than classic Earth LTSC's? Huh. But, I was pointing out that Poison 100RF would still be considered attack, but would be unable to KO most WD-based combos. It can still hold its own to an extent.

IDK, I feel you're still overestimating WD's defense but I could be wrong, maybe poison is even worse than I remember...

Hell Kerbecs BD145WD might work in a competitive sense at times, but it is largely outclassed by it's brother on CS, and Basalt and Phantom just laugh at it. It has crippling recoil issues, too.

I tried Poison Giraffe 85RF a month ago against Earth Aquario 85WD. Fails occurred, so I'm quite positive about this one. But, oh yeah, forgot about the old 'balance' combo. Alright, I'll agree with that, but either way, WD should still be defined in terms of defense, not just saying it has no defense. It sounds like a S bottom with that description given.

Well, I stand corrected.

Would Earth Aquario 85S do any worse in the same situation, though?

Ah, I need to test that one, I'll do that after I'm done with my Spanish HW (which I'm supposed to be doing now lol).

Ahh, don't bother, ahah. I wasn't seriously requesting it. WD obviously does hold its own against "the weakest of attackers".

That probably needs rewording, I am too tired to think of a better alternative, however

But I do like that Shaba's rewrite makes clear how useless it is at defense, because of how often people are misled.

(Nov. 22, 2011  2:05 AM)Shabalabadoo Wrote: [ -> ]

My Redo Wrote:==Bottom: Wide Defense==
* '''Weight:''' 0.7 grams

Wide Defense, as its name implies is one of the widest of the “Defense” series of Bottoms (D, SD, WD, PD, EWD). This brings numerous advantages, but also some disadvantages when compared to the other “Defense” Bottoms, specifically D. On 85-145 height Tracks, WD served its time as the best Stamina Bottom available. More versatile parts such as BD145CS/EDS and B:D have overshadowed WD in this regard, but WD is still the primary Bottom for low-Track, Pure Stamina combos. On the TH170 or 230 heights, CS or D are superior to WD because of their greater height or balance.

Although the name suggests Defensive characteristics, WD cannot hold its own against even the weakest of Attackers.

===Use in Stamina customization===
WD's only current use is in the Stamina combo Earth Bull 100WD

It got a haircut.

I've been thinking that the WD description is slightly too wordy and descriptive, but while you've updated the description well enough, I don't see why you completely nixed the description of how WD works relative to the other Defense series Bottoms. You've kept this portion: "This brings numerous advantages, but also some disadvantages when compared to the other “Defense” Bottoms", but then it abruptly ends and starts essentially talking about how WD is outclassed by more versatile parts (which EDS and B:D are not imo), which is something I absolutely do not agree with. And it seems like there is a contradiction in there as well because you say "WD served its time as the best Stamina Bottom available", implying that it has been completely outclassed, but then move on to say that it's still the best for low Track (do you mean 145 and lower by this?), pure Stamina customs.

There's many situations currently where WD is a better choice than CS/EDS/B:D, and where WD will actually defeat those Bottoms. I'm not saying that any of those three are bad–we all know that they certainly are not–but WD hasn't been outclassed. It's uses are somewhat limited in comparison to something like CS (what Bottom isn't?), but that doesn't diminish it's value as a Stamina part.

It's also untrue to say that "WD cannot hold its own against even the weakest of Attackers" when it's been well document how relatively well it can do when weak launching is utilized against left spin Attackers.

... Aaand this is untrue as well: "WD's only current use is in the Stamina combo Earth Bull 100WD". Something like Phantom Bull AD145WD is deadly against the Phantom/Scythe/Basalt BD145/230/TH170 customs that are running rampant these days.

Here's my rewrite, which builds off the original one and your update:

Quote:==Bottom: Wide Defense==
* '''Weight:''' 0.7 grams

Wide Defense, as its name implies is one of the widest of the “Defense” series of Bottoms (D, SD, WD, PD, EWD). This brings numerous advantages, but also some disadvantages when compared to the other “Defense” Bottoms, specifically D. The advantages include it's ability for abnormally long precession times due to its massive width that reaches the edge of the Bottom's perimeter. This allows it to wobble at a significantly larger angle for a longer period of time than D, and at a much lower spin rate. However, depending on the position of the Beyblade using WD and the spin rate of the opponent, this can be disadvantageous because of how easy it becomes to knock over the precessing WD custom. This low spin rate towards the end of the battle is created because in the process of wobbling at such a large angle, more friction is made with the stadium floor, thus decreasing its Stamina. Nevertheless, this more often an advantage than it is a disadvantage.

Newer parts such as CS, EDS and B:D have overshadowed WD to some degree: CS and EDS due to their ability to be paired with the popular BD145 Track without scraping, and B:D because of it's height and even longer precession times, but WD is still one of the best pure Stamina Bottoms available. However, when selecting high Tracks such as TH170 and 230, WD's tendency to wobble at larger angles should be kept in mind, as it's extreme precession can often become problematic.

Although the name suggests Defensive characteristics, WD does not possess any inherent defensive qualities. However, it's proficiency can be increased significantly when facing left-spin Attackers through the utilization of the [[Weak Shooting]] technique.

===Use in Stamina customization===
WD is arguably the best of the “Defense” series of Bottoms, and its effectiveness can be utilized in the custom Phantom Bull AD145WD.

Yeah, I really like that (Although you're probably not looking for my approval for it, haha.)

The reason I chopped out the stuff in the first paragraph was because it seemed to mostly be referring to when we used Burn/Earth 145/85 WD/SD combos. That's obviously not the situation now where the only common matchup of the D series is Earth 100WD and Basalt 230D (but I had no idea about Phantom AD145WD, so my thought on the matter is different now), which is a clear win for Basalt. Yeah that's basically why I took it out. I like it the way you put it though.

There's 72 different Wheels, Metal Wheels, and 4D Metal Wheels; 21 of which have had a use in Attack at one time or another; and 6 of those are capable of Left Spin. (The large numbers may be one or two off)
If I was being extremely generous for Attack, there's 8 good Attackers currently, 4 of which are left spin capable. With those numbers, I don't think it's worth mentioning any defense capabilities even with weak shooting. To be honest, all plastic bottoms (With the exception of S, BS, MS) benefit from Weak Launching an equivalent amount to WD. So that's why I think writing it can be used for weak launching is pointless.

But I really like it though!

I love the addition of precession to the article, and would add this thought:

The fact that B:D can spin on its bearings and not on its tip means that after it has finished its "main sequence" (to borrow another astronomy term) behavior of WD-like rapid procession, it rests on its tip and exhibits very slow procession.

I'm not sure how to integrate this idea into the article (or if we even should), but I think that it represents an additional degree of detail as to how a bey behaves differently while exhibiting procession on B:D as opposed to WD.

That would probably best be included in the Phantom Orion article.

I've gone ahead and updated the WD description in all articles that needed it to the one I posted above.

(Nov. 22, 2011  9:27 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]That would probably best be included in the Phantom Orion article.

I agree.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but under the D section:

Quote:D was once the best Stamina bottom available, but has been outclassed by SD and WD. However, it can still be used successfully in Virgo 90D.

This is not even close to accurate - and I doubt it ever was, unless this was written during a void period in which 230 did not yet exist. D is the superior Stamina tip for 230 and TH170 customs, and the combo needs to be updated to MF Phantom Aquario TH170D. Something like...

"D was once arguably the best Stamina bottom available for all heights, but has since found a unique role in High Profile Stamina Customs, on tracks such as 230 and TH170, where it outperforms other Stamina tips. The best use of this tip is currently MF Phantom Aquario TH170D."

It's rough, but I just woke up.

I wrote that exact same thing earlier in the Counter Leone 145D article. I said that this was very much outclassed by now, and some 230/TH170D combos should be written in instead with a changed description.