Just fixed up Dark Bull's overall part:
ME! Wrote:Dark Bull H145SD does have a few noteworthy parts, however, all of it's parts are outclassed. SD, at one point was one of the best Stamina bottoms avalible, however is outclassed by the much easier to access WD. H145, when used in MF Lightning L Drago H145RF packs some smash ability, however both Lightning L Drago and H145 are outclassed, namely by Variares and BD145/CH120. H145 has also found use in a niche use in Attack in the combo Hell Aquario H145R2F, however is outclassed in the above wheels mentioned. Bull, while being the heaviest Right-Spin Clear Wheel, is only a few milligrams(?) heavier than Aquario, which has much better weight distribution. Another worthy mention is that Dark Bull H145SD is quite hard to find compared to much more recent attackers. The only reason to buy this Beyblade is is you do not have acess to parts such as CH120, BD145 and WD.
Guys, thank you for help! I updated it upon your thoughts.
PS: Yes, quite a bulky overall.
Far too bulky and can be condensed greatly. I'm not in the mood to but you should try to condense it further and take out the unnecessary bits or let someone else do it.
What does "condensed" mean? I searched on google but came up with stuff about milk.
con·dense/kənˈdens/
Verb:
Make (something) denser or more concentrated.
Thicken (a liquid) by reducing the water content, typically by heating: "condensed soup".
Synonyms:
compress - thicken - abridge - concentrate
yeah.
Er, so make it have more info?
No, it means that you have to say the same things but in less words ...
Quote:Dark Bull H145SD does have a few noteworthy parts, but really, only one absolutely necessary part; SD. SD is arguably one of the best alternatives to WD- the best Stamina tip available, so that alone should be reason enough to purchase one. But, there is also H145 which has some niche use in Smash Attack, and Bull, one of the heaviest right-spin Clear Wheels, which is also an essential part of almost all current Defense and Stamina customizations. Aquario though, is considered as being a better alternative to Bull for such customizations. Overall, this bey is a decent purchase, especially if one has no access to top tier parts.
OK, so let me try my hand at it.
Well, getting this sentence 'condensed' is quite tough. Even a few existing articles, which suggest the purchase of a certain bey only if there is no access to top tier parts, have long(er) sentences than the one in TriblaDeQ's edit(for example the Articles of Einstein MS and Slash Riger MS). So one cannot say that I 'condensed' the sentence, just 'refined' it a bit.
I've marked my edits in bold.
My suggestion(I know this does not belong here)- Creation of a BeyWiki Article for Competitive Combos/Top Tier List.
That way, we may link the phrase 'top tier parts' to that Overall section's last sentence, and get it shortened to a certain extent.
Yes, it may need periodic updates, but I think people may take care of that.
Quote:Dark Bull H145SD does have a few noteworthy parts, however, all of it's parts are considered to have better alternatives. SD, though considered inferior to the commonly used WD is still an effective alternative. H145, while never a popular choice among bladers is still completely viable for Smash Attack customs. Bull, though being heavier than Aquario is often thought of as less effective than Aquario as it has inferior weight distribution though Bull still maintains a vital role in Stamina and Defense customizations. Every blader should own at least one of this beyblade after obtaining other staple parts.
Not that good, but at least you have an idea of what I'm trying to get at.
Woah, those are much better than mine. I guess it's kind of based of mine though. But overall it's much better. Also, as Janstar mentioned, there are also some overall sections in beywiki that are about this bulky.
(Dec. 23, 2011 4:26 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Dark Bull H145SD does have a few noteworthy parts, however, all of it's parts are considered to have better alternatives. SD, though considered inferior to the commonly used WD is still an effective alternative. H145, while never a popular choice among bladers is still completely viable for Smash Attack customs. Bull, though being heavier than Aquario is often thought of as less effective than Aquario as it has inferior weight distribution though Bull still maintains a vital role in Stamina and Defense customizations. Every blader should own at least one of this beyblade after obtaining other staple parts.
Not that good, but at least you have an idea of what I'm trying to get at.
No wonder you have a Lapiz Lazuli Face... XD
Very nicely done!
Just a correction- As I said before, Bull is not heavier than Aquario. I checked the Weights of MFB thread to confirm it. They are more or less equal, and whenever there has been a difference, Aquario's been a couple of milligrams heavier.
Here are a few of 'em
Evan's weight results-
Bull- 3.29
Aquario- 3.3
Uwik-
Bull- 3.3
Aquario- 3.32
Before updating the Overall section, it would be a good idea to update the article itself.
An Overall is a summary, short and to the point. It shouldn't bring new information on individual parts, yet you mention Aquario while the article does not. The H145 section still more or less says that H145 is more of a fun part than a competitive one, but your overall says its competitive and unpopular.
Doing this would also help you cut down on details as far as the Bull portion of the Overall goes, which is still too bulky.
(Dec. 24, 2011 6:21 PM)Nocto Wrote: [ -> ]Before updating the Overall section, it would be a good idea to update the article itself.
An Overall is a summary, short and to the point. It shouldn't bring new information on individual parts, yet you mention Aquario while the article does not. The H145 section still more or less says that H145 is more of a fun part than a competitive one, but your overall says its competitive and unpopular.
Doing this would also help you cut down on details as far as the Bull portion of the Overall goes, which is still too bulky.
Ah, I agree!
I wished to do that, but yeah.
IMO, the Overall section by Dan is good enough, and even after the whole article is updated, that must remain the same.
Then again, there are various articles which need to be updated...
In the spin gears article, couple of things with the lists of special spin gears.
Cyber Dragoon's SG should probably be listed under the normal SG, as it uses Normal SG casings and the internal metal ring of normal SG's.
Dranzer V seems to come with a shorter magnet in the SG, so the magnetically attached base doesn't sit as high as with a normal magnecore. I can take pictures at some point, if it's really necessary, though maybe someone who still has the original SG in there can confirm it?
Also, the Dark Series article... If you look at dark wing, initially it looks like a good smash part, except for the SAR, however if you look more closely, most of the actual contact points are rather large and flat, a lot like Dragoon V2 with none of the spike attack "lines", though a little bit less severe in their flatness.
This is shown when using it, as it has the most horrendous recoil. I was playing with it on SG Flat, with 10 Wide against what is usually a pretty weak opponent, Dranzer V2 AR, 10 Wide, Fortress Base. It has like, no grip and a pretty recoily base so it's easy to KO, even on SG Flat, for just about anything. Except Dark Wing. Dark wing pushed it around a bit, and then Dark Wing flew into and bounced off my Amp's Speaker Cab. This happened every time I used it.
As a comparison with Cross Griffon, which probably has the most recoil of any viable attack AR (it also has significantly more smash and stopping power than most, though), in the same setup, Cross Griffon smashes the Fortress Base combo to a halt. Put both on 10 Wide/HMC/SG Metal Flat 2, Cross Griffon gets consistent KO's/Stops. Dark Wing hits hard but always ends up stopping itself, again, due to the recoil.
Basically, its recoil relegates it to the OHKO bin, and the article should reflect this as the major source of it's issues, rather than the SAR, instead of talking about how good it would be without an SAR. (This sounds a bit harsh, but it's not meant to be).
Edited the Hell Kerbecs article a bit.
Quote:Hell Kerbecs BD145DS is a great Stamina customization out of the box. Hell is outclassed and DS is negligible, but BD145 and Kerbecs make up for it by working very well in Stamina and Defence types. Every Blader should own at least one of this Beyblade.
I just can't believe nobody put BD145 to be in use with Stamina customizations,so I added it.
Quote:===Use in Stamina Customization===
BD145 goes well with Scythe and EDS. EDS, being a tall bottom, solves WD's scraping problem with BD145, thus, making it the best Stamina bottom with BD145. It can be used in the combo Scythe Aquario BD145CS.
Not particularly well worded, and you wrote BD145CS, not EDS, and it works with more than just scythe (duo, death, phantom, anything really), so there's no need to be so specific. Also, Kronos is the main CW used on Scythe for whatever reason, it apparently seemed to perform better in early testing.
It would be best to post major additions like that here before editing articles (which goes for everyone).
This is a bit wordy, but I wanted to cover everything:
I done gone and re- Wrote:===Use in Stamina Customisation===
BD145 has a good weight distribution for stamina types, as most of the weight is focused on the outside of the track. It also adds some defensive ability, which can be very useful to stamina types. However, due to its tendency to scrape, the only suitable stamina bottom for BD145 (in normal mode) is EDS, the height and shape of which helps prevent scraping, whilst providing excellent stamina. An example of a top-tier stamina combo which uses BD145 is Scythe Kronos BD145EDS.
BD145EDS does seem to have an outstanding TH220D/CS weakness (particularly Basalt TH220CS), too, but idk whether that's just the combo's I tried.
Haven't edited the article with it because I want to run it by everyone first.
Ok,it was basically better than mine.I hope my edit on the Overall section is good?Hell is outclassed,by the way.
Mmm, I've blanked the page for the time being, but someone should go back and either delete it entirely, ro at least remove those spam edits.
Does anyone actually knows what was there before it was spammed?I mean,it's something important.I've seen that more than twice,but I can't remember where.
You can check the edit history, but there was merely a blank page there beforehand, and before that some questions in entirely the wrong place. Nothing worthwhile.
In the RBV4 page the picture description says all 8 beys from the booster, but really it is just an Earth Virgo. I edited that, anyone is allowed to edit right? Is there a better description than what I put?
Also, the picture on the Poison Serpent page isn't working, not really sure how to fix that.
Just asking if I could have permission to change the Lightning L Drago just a bit. Just the customization part. It really needs to be improved even though Lightning is outclassed.
EDIT: Just re-read it, its good.
DOUBLE EDIT: Does anyone want me to do L Drago guardian aritcle? I know it just a stub but I think tehre should be some customization for MB and S130. I just want to help Beywiki and is brand new. I would appreciate how to use the edit function for Beywiki
(Dec. 28, 2011 9:41 PM)J o n Wrote: [ -> ]DOUBLE EDIT: Does anyone want me to do L Drago guardian aritcle? I know it just a stub but I think tehre should be some customization for MB and S130. I just want to help Beywiki and is brand new. I would appreciate how to use the edit function for Beywiki
As it says in the article itself, if you want to help past this point, you need to complete each section with in-depth description of how the parts perform. Of course there should be customizations for MB and S130, but those sections are stubs as well ... Post a draft.
Just Checked the LDG page, isn't the face L Drago III?
LLD-MLD-LDD
so
?
EDIT: Just realized that LDD comes with a pearl blue face, what is the actual name?
(instead of LDIII)